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join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | Hmm Also comes with RIAA and MPAA backdoors. Which will probably log everything you download on a torrent. | |
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BryanOnFiber
join:2007-06-22
Brandon, FL | Re: Hmm Probably better to keep the older version | |
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| said by brianiscool  :Also comes with RIAA and MPAA backdoors. Which will probably log everything you download on a torrent. unless someone can prove that these backdoors exist or that utorrent is phoning home, then all of the hysteria about utorrent being a tool of the devil is nonsense... | |
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mondoz
join:2000-08-26
Houston, TX | So much for that one... It was such a nice application, too. | |
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superht1
join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA | Re: So much for that one... continue to use it. | |
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nuftjedi
formerly nuftcrow
join:2000-09-11
Baltimore, MD
clubs: | well actually... you can download utorrent 1.7.2 which isn't the same as bittorrent 6.0 so they are not the same product entirely.... yet. | |
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norky
Premium
join:2002-12-02
Lithia, FL
| FUD This "article" seems to aspire to nothing other than spreading a little fud. The BT beta was out last week and really there's nothing nefarious about it. I don't know why you linked to the utorrent page with "has been released" when you go on to say it's called bit torrent 6.0. The proprer page to get the betta is »www.bittorrent.com/download All in all this is sort of a poorly written article containing no substance. Sorry. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: FUD said by norky :This "article" seems to aspire to nothing other than spreading a little fud. The BT beta was out last week and really there's nothing nefarious about it.
How do you know? Why do you think so? It's closed source; one would have to monitor its network connections to verify that it's not doing anything contrary to documentation.
I'm not claiming it is "nefarious", just pointing out that claims one way or the other require evidence. | |
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Omega
Butter Bars
Premium
join:2002-07-30
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | RIP utorrent I'm using v1.6 and refuse to upgrade. As long as bitmetv.org allows v1.6, I will still use it.
What's funny is that website (one of the best torrent sites on the internet, in my opinion) bans every utorrent version from 1.7+ | |
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@centurytel.net | Re: RIP utorrent It's because it reports back to Mpaa and others.Reports back to Around 6 ip's that track everything you do regardless what they claim(which is lies) I'm staying with 1.6 as long as i can and if that don't work it will be another client | |
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chaud
Serious Business
join:2004-07-09
Anderson, SC
 ·Packet8
·Charter Pipeline
| Re: RIP utorrent said by mypoint is :
It's because it reports back to Mpaa and others.Reports back to Around 6 ip's that track everything you do regardless what they claim(which is lies) I'm staying with 1.6 as long as i can and if that don't work it will be another client
Same here. I don't care if it logs anything, I don't even want to contribte to their over 1 million downloads number or anything. Hopefully something new pops up to replace it. Azurues (spelling) is a reseource hog, and many other clients are not as light as utorrent was. | |
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cypherstream
There's no place like 127.0.0.1
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs: | Wouldn't peer guardian be able to detect and stop this report back nonsense? | |
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Karl
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: RIP utorrent I'm still looking but I haven't seen any solid proof that the newer client reports anything to anyone. Perhaps people can offer up some evidence of this? | |
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raydog1
Feel Secure
Premium
join:2003-07-10
La Vergne, TN
| Re: RIP utorrent There would be no point in creating an app that reports to the **AA. They can use the regular means to find lawsuit victims just as easily. Just fire up any bittorent app, connect to any Harry Potter movie torrent, collect IPs, send letters, rinse, repeat. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: RIP utorrent Right, that's true. But there is incentive for building in "back door" or spyware code. Any for-profit software company can benefit from collecting statistics on its customers or even data-mining them as individuals. And with the **AA collaboration, it's also in the company's interest to build in something that can be used in future to regulate what users can do with the software (i.e. DRM). They would have to get rid of the open source competition to take advantage of this, but there are ways that could happen.
As I posted elsewhere, there's no proof for or against spyware or other tricks in uTorrent. But there are good reasons to be suspicious of any closed-source software from a profit-oriented company, especially when it's given away free, and even more so when it's commonly used for something that competes with the sponsors of the purveyor. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by Karl :I'm still looking but I haven't seen any solid proof that the newer client reports anything to anyone. Perhaps people can offer up some evidence of this?
Thanks for saying this. I replied to someone making the opposite claim, and said that there's no proof of that either.
It is reasonable to be suspicious of any closed-source software from a profit-oriented vendor. But we can't have definite statements without evidence. | |
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Primus
@rr.com
| Re: RIP utorrent Here's your proof: »torrenthelp.depthstrike.com/2007···out.html
Wireshark packet dump of uTorrent traffic.
Everyone is freaking out about a new feature in the 1.7 tree, Local Peer Discovery. It uses multicast traffic to try to find geographically-close peers in order to speed up your transfers. The multicast block of addresses (224.0.0.0 - 239.255.255.255) is normally blocked by routers/firewalls/etc, leading to alert popups, leading to OMGWTFMPAABACKDOOR! calls. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by cypherstream :Wouldn't peer guardian be able to detect and stop this report back nonsense?
Yes, unless uTorrent was super-sneaky and installed something at a very low level of the networking stack. But that would be detectable too.
The uTorrent documentation acknowledges that it connects at startup to check for new versions, only if the user has enabled that feature; and that it connects to a uTorrent server at startup if DHT is turned on. You have to allow those connectios, for those features to work. It could be delivering more information than claimed, but this would be detectable with packet inspection.
Apart from these exceptions, yes, any other connections would appear on logs like the Peer Guardian display. You would have to know what IPs to look for (to distinguish the "spy" connections, if any, from the legitimate ones belonging to torrent swarms). | |
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join:2006-08-06
South Richmond Hill, NY
| Its sad to see that so many people didn't read the article. Some guy posts as anonymous and everyone falls for it. If utorrent was reporting back you wouldnt just hear it from some guy that doesnt have the balls to register on the site hes posting on. I bet this guy also thinks dslreports is going to steel his password if he registers. | |
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vliktor
join:2005-07-27
Philippines | Re: RIP utorrent Does this mean that utorrent will be open-sourced or something? A Mac OS X or Linux version would be cool  | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: RIP utorrent The orginal developer, and again the Bittorrent company, have said that it will not be open-sourced or that they have "no plans" to do so.
There are open source Bittorrent clients. Some are very good. Some run on Mac or Linux.
The only advantages of uTorrent are that it's very well-coded and efficient on Windows (small filesize, little memory use, high performance); and many users like the interface. One of the open source clients could be improved to become equally excellent on Linux or Mac. | |
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vliktor
join:2005-07-27
Philippines | Looks like they have plans of having a Mac OS X version. Cool!  Developing for Linux may not be efficient use of their time as µtorrent runs perfectly under Wine or Cedega. | |
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| said by mypoint is :
It's because it reports back to Mpaa and others.Reports back to Around 6 ip's that track everything you do regardless what they claim(which is lies) I'm staying with 1.6 as long as i can and if that don't work it will be another client
where is the proof of the backdoor and phone home? no one has been able to prove it yet... believe me, i'm not a fanboy, but i'm just being a realist at this point... present the proof, otherwise, stop making spurious and hysterical claims... | |
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DataDoc
Nilsson Schmilsson
Premium
join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC | Cite your proof, or back off. | |
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superht1
join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA | i wish everyone stayed with .60 on bitcomet
their latest version is full of spam and spyware | |
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join:2001-06-28
House Springs, MO
| ok, then so what, cause it's like a cop has to tell you there one if you sask before a drug deal, it's not leagle and will not hold up in court. they have to tell you being watched or it aint leagle, like survalence camera's in stors they have to post that on the door! | |
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google
@alexsrv40.com | not true, u feel for the rumor. | |
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Gatoni
@forthnet.gr | Make sure you have a version of uTorrent earlier than 1.6.1 build 490, cause this is the first version released after the deal. | |
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Folic
join:2004-10-03
Milwaukee, WI
| Just shut up hahaha all you people saying it reports back are really miss informed,i have read on soooo many forums of people tracking the connections it makes, and there has been NO proof of it "phoning home" so you all need to stop, unless you can provide proof that YOU collected. | |
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join:2006-04-24
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Re: Just shut up it could be just uTorrent checking for updates. | |
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Jovi
join:2000-02-24
Mount Joy, PA
·Comcast
| Re: Just shut up said by ShadezeRO :it could be just uTorrent checking for updates. Auto updates are off.
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join:2006-06-20 | Re: Just shut up i see similar things with ProtoWall.
uTorrent definitely phones home fairly regularly. | |
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idiots
@comcast.net | Re: Just shut up What's with the tinfoil hat brigade? There is absolutely no proof that uTorrent "phones home" or sends data back to the MPAA/RIAA. Stop reading comments posted by morons on slashdot and taking it for fact. | |
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Primus
@rr.com | You have DHT turned on in uTorrent, and PG is blocking the connection attempts to the master DHT server. | |
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Jovi
join:2000-02-24
Mount Joy, PA
·Comcast
| Re: Just shut up said by Primus :
You have DHT turned on in uTorrent, and PG is blocking the connection attempts to the master DHT server.
DHT?
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Primus
@rr.com
| Re: Just shut up Distributed Hash Tracking, a feature introduced in v1.6 of uTorrent. Allows for torrents to connect to other peers without the need for a centralized tracker. It's of limited use, frankly, and most private trackers don't want you using it either. You can turn it off in uTorrent's preferences. | |
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uTorrent Gets Makeover
