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dslr
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join:2001-02-15
Wichita, KS
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| How Much? I wonder what the invisible cap for ATT will be? 5gigs like Verizon? AND...It will be alot of fun to stream over EDGE 
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Goober
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
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| It's a business "Obviously AT&T will make an exception here (this will adhere to their "wireless content standards"), but it's amusing how these restrictive 3G EULAs we as consumers are bound to suddenly disappear when it comes time to sell product."
It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·Cox HSI
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| Re: It's a business said by Goober  :It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me. No it's known as dishonesty, unethical, misleading behavior. Sometimes known as deceptive advertising.... Such as advertising "Unlimited Use" and then buring the fact it's capped and really extremely limited in the small print of some contract. Run a TV ad showing a feature, and then forbid them from using that feature once they actually buy the service.
Actually, now that you mention it, you're quite right. Apparently this is the norm for these types of businesses these days. No matter how many years go by, this place with its anti-consumer, screw-the-customer, loot, steal and burn the people's money pro-business thinking never ceases to amaze me.
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Re: It's a business DING DING DING!!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
| Re: It's a business Not neccessarily, all EULAs carry "we reserve the right to change as we see fit" addendum. This always means that they can tap another revenue stream. These changes are probably already written by the 1000 cryptic lawyers that write these agreements.
...at the end you'll see "do as I say, not as I do!" | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
| said by KrK :No it's known as dishonesty, unethical, misleading behavior. Sometimes known as deceptive advertising.... It should always be known as deceptive advertising! Any provider that advertises unlimited service should be punished if they do not provide anything less than unlimited service. If a provider wants to impose caps or limits, just say what they are up front. How hard is that?
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
| Re: It's a business said by ColorBASIC :Evidently very difficult for Verizon and Comcast. Well to be fair to Comcast, at least they do not advertise their service as being "unlimited." Verizon Wireless still does, and should be sanctioned if they continue cutting off users.
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | Re: It's a business When they (Comcast) first started sending out nastygrams, they did. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
| Re: It's a business said by ColorBASIC :When they (Comcast) first started sending out nastygrams, they did. I suppose the fact that they no longer do that can be considered "progress" LOL.
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join:2006-04-14
Bayonne, NJ
| Having just bought the Verizon Wireless data plan in question...they are not hiding the cap by any means. It is on every single page that references the plan, and the sales reps will mention it to you when talking about the plan. I agree it's probably better to refer to it as the "5GB Plan," but they are certainly not hiding the details on the cap. | |
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join:2002-05-14
Los Angeles, CA
| Re: It's a business My experience with Verizon was opposite. 3 out of 4 sales reps I asked insisted that "unlimited" really meant unlimited. When I pointed out the clear statements to the contrary in their brochure, they said to ignore it; that Verizon really doesn't care what you do as long as you stay under 5 GB cap.
I think the 5GB cap is great, if that's all there is to it. What bugs me is all the roundabout language, restricting particular applications, and saying the 5GB quota is really just an "indicator" that those other terms are being violated. If this is just a word game to let them continue advertising a 5GB plan as "unlimited," I'm fine with that. What bothers me more, as an application developer, is that Verizon appears willing to let a lot of cheating go on, while waiting to step in and demand a piece of any application that achieves success. | |
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join:2001-04-29
Jacksonville, FL
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| said by pnh102 :said by KrK :No it's known as dishonesty, unethical, misleading behavior. Sometimes known as deceptive advertising.... It should always be known as deceptive advertising! Any provider that advertises unlimited service should be punished if they do not provide anything less than unlimited service. If provider wants to impose caps or limits, just say what they are up front. How hard is that? iPhone is CRAP! This is another reason why NOT to waste money on this product. Good luck Apple, the iPOD had less issues. It's a shame it has to be this restrictive on PDA type devices. SERO unlimited data kicks butt!!!
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | said by It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me.
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | You say that, until of course they set a per month cap and start charging 5 cents a kilobyte after that cap. | |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
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| said by Goober :It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me. Oh, good: We have another "Two hard rights from a Swastika" BBR moment!
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Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| it is called running a business but you dont sell a device that is advertised as exclusive to your network and show in the ads it doing things that arent allowed by your user agreement.
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elvey
Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA | You're right. It's a business...
It's a business in the same sense that Organized Crime rings like the Mafia are businesses. Just like my sig says... (on longer posts!) | |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | the Devil BOBBY Wireless companies are the "Devil". | |
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Corona
It's cool, I'm takin it back
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San Antonio, TX | Re: the Devil BOBBY would've been so much better as "debil" | |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | Re: everything that isn't paid through AT&T violates EULA exactly, the wireless networks are everything that we don't want broadband to be. This is a prime example of what happens when the network owners make all the decisions. | |
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join:2004-07-05
Miami Beach, FL | Re: everything that isn't paid through AT&T violates EULA God forbid the ones who paid the money to put up the networks want to control their network and make money off of it. It is totally unbelievable!!!! | |
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join:2004-07-05
Miami Beach, FL
| Re: everything that isn't paid through AT&T violates EULA Ethically, no. I think they should let everyone use any application they want, that would be great for me, not so much them.
Realistically, they can tell me that I can/cannot do anything on their network and either I don't buy the service or I do and I deal with the BS.
In addition I understand (sometimes) why they do these things. It is to ensure their limited resource (spectrum/bandwidth) is not being completely used up by those individuals who want use more the resources for themselves in effect causing other users to have a bad experience. And in this case if some users want to use youtube and take up a lot of resources then they are making sure they get paid for it.
If I cant use skype on my handheld but can always get good cell phone connections and google maps when I need it than I am okay with that. Eventually technology will increase the available resources and then other applications will become available. | |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | Youtube over EDGE I would just shoot myself | |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | I say Pay per Bit...or get over it Just open the damn connection, (pay per bit) instead of wireless carriers playing mommy. | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: I say Pay per Bit...or get over it said by JamesPC :Just open the damn connection, (pay per bit) instead of wireless carriers playing mommy. And watch people stop using the services. You make people pay per byte, or even per minute, you will see a BIG decline in profits for cell phone carriers. | |
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join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA
| Re: I say Pay per Bit...or get over it No, what they want is to push there crappy content on us. Like we give a shit what verizon wants to sell us. We want to watch youtube and download movies from our phones. This is not about making money, its about making MORE MONEY. Instead of you just paying verizon for there service, they think we want to pay them for the content also. Bull | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
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| Exception or not? Is there really a need for an exception here? Can't ATT just say that YouTube is "content formatted in accordance with AT&T's wireless content standards..."?
Of course, that might mean that they would have to allow YouTube to stream to all ATT wireless data subscribers, regardless of the device they are using....
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Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA
| Issue is bad business model All the wireless companies paid tons of cash for spectrum and invested tons of money into creating a broadband connection for the phone. Unfortunately, the only way they can recoup their money is by charging too much and providing too little compared to what broadband users are accustomed to. Sucks to be them. | |
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Asmodeus1
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| i went to a cingular/att store... and was going to get the HTC 8525 with the full data unlimited package and asked the sales person what the limit was on the data plan... She said there was no limit, however, i suspect she was incorrect and now reading the clause from the EULA, it would be a shame for me to spend that kind of money on a phone and then use the broadband 3g data plan service only to start getting messages from att/cingular that i'm either a bandwidth hog or i've violated the EULA. Then I would get my service canceled and now I'd be stuck with an expensive phone that i could use for all practicality...
why can't a provider just offer plain and simple services and be done with it... it's all just so convoluted... | |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | lol...people defend the wireless carriers Jokes on the consumer. | |
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Lil Jon
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join:2006-06-26
Lawrenceville, GA
| Re: lol...people defend the wireless carriers said by JamesPC :Jokes on the consumer. hahha that would be me.  | |
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join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA
| Re: i went to a cingular/att store... Which is why I went with T-Mobile's MDA(same phone as the 8525)with Total Internet(this includes T-Mobile's HotSpot service). Yeah, it's $29.00 a month, but I don't have to worry about caps-worth it for me.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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join:2004-02-07 | . even with the non EVDO speeds, i imagine a user can rack up Gb's of content streaming through youtube, right? | |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | Sprint... Yea Sprint allows phone-as-modem but of course you have to sign up for another plan feature to be "allowed" to do that.
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Darkflight
3G Stitch626
join:2001-03-03
Rowland Heights, CA
| Youtube over edge... i have a feeling the streaming is going to be at a seriously reduced postage stamp rate to maintain some form of decent playback... look ma... my iPhone has a 5 inch screen... andplays youtube.... except the youtube video of me being silly is only 1 inch big...
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