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The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | 'tis time. It is about time. ..better Check Point than Microsoft. | |
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join:2003-03-01
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Re: 'tis time. apache? ...if you're running a web server and zone alarm on the same machine then that's just asking too much from a consumer grade product. That's not the proper way to protect a web server.
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mod bait
Premium
join:2001-06-11
Rochester, NY
| Re: 'tis time. said by kapil  :
apache? ...if you're running a web server and zone alarm on the same machine then that's just asking too much from a consumer grade product. That's not the proper way to protect a web server.
I run Apache 2.0.48 and ZAPro on the same box--they get along perfectly fine. There was a bug in an earlier version of ZAPro (I remember the bug was reported on the Apache site, and the devs got really pissed when people kept reopening it  ), but that has been resolved for a long time now.
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vice8686
join:2000-10-13
Lancaster, CA
| said by kapil :
It is about time. ..better Check Point than Microsoft.
It all depends on how you look at it. If purchased by Microsoft, you'll probably get the firewall free. We're not sure what Check Point will do yet. | |
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mod bait
Premium
join:2001-06-11
Rochester, NY
| Re: 'tis time. said by vice8686 :
said by kapil :
It is about time. ..better Check Point than Microsoft.
It all depends on how you look at it. If purchased by Microsoft, you'll probably get the firewall free. We're not sure what Check Point will do yet.
Yes, indeed, and it would end up being about as secure as a 100-dollar bill laying on the floor.
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ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
 ·Internet Nebraska
| I Don't Like This I don't like this at all. First the latest release of Zone Alarm screws around with my mail program, and now this? Time to look into Norton's Firewall...
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Premium
join:2001-09-05
Auburn, AL | Re: I Don't Like This Great... There goes my firewall.  | |
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gzt7d8
My Little Weiner Schnitzel
Premium
join:2001-07-13
Swartz Creek, MI | Re: I Don't Like This I just bought a 12 month extension to my current subscription.
So did I throw my money $$ away?
I sure hope not.
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AkumalDave
Life's A Beach
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-20
Minneapolis, MN
| Re: I Don't Like This said by gzt7d8 :
So did I throw my money $$ away?
When you find out, let me know. My subscription expires in a couple of weeks...
Dave (wondering what to do)
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@nuria.telefonica | Re: I Don't Like This >wondering what to do Check out Kerio's KPF
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Norton sucks!
...besides, if you're an average user and don't host any services, just block all the ports and use NAT, you almost don't need a firewall.
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Ncc1701
join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA
| Re: I Don't Like This said by kapil :
Norton sucks!
...besides, if you're an average user and don't host any services, just block all the ports and use NAT, you almost don't need a firewall.
Not so. A NAT firewall will not prevent outbound traffic, so you can't stop things like Media Player or other similarly inclined programs from connecting to the internet at arbitrary intervals and "phoning home". ZA lets me know when this happens, and lets me block these outbound connections.
For an example, go to www.grc.com and download LeakTest.
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Re: I Don't Like This True. However, the odds are that you've installed these applications yourself...and the bigger security risk is from stuff trying to come in, not from sleazware trying to call home.
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join:2001-06-11
Rochester, NY
| Re: I Don't Like This said by kapil :
True. However, the odds are that you've installed these applications yourself...and the bigger security risk is from stuff trying to come in, not from sleazware trying to call home.
That's simply not true. If you have a hardware firewall, nothing is coming in. The only risk--sometimes even if you are very careful--is outbound traffic.
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Re: I Don't Like This If you are an average home user, and use your broadband connection for surfing, email etc....don't have any ports open/forwarded/mapped on your router and are using NAT, there is virtually no SECURITY risk. The security risk comes from inbound traffic. Stupid-user risk, for example installing bonzi buddy which then tries to phone home every 30 seconds is a different matter entirely. Bonzi buddy is not a security risk....it's a matter of user education.
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join:2003-04-19
Chicago, IL
| Re: I Don't Like This Exactly!
I never ever use application protection as it's more of a pain in the ass then anything. Especially to an educated computer user. The truly sad thing is the uneducated computer users have NO idea what to block or let through to begin with. So where exactly is application protection practical? | |
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mod bait
Premium
join:2001-06-11
Rochester, NY
| said by kapil :
If you are an average home user, and use your broadband connection for surfing, email etc....don't have any ports open/forwarded/mapped on your router and are using NAT, there is virtually no SECURITY risk. The security risk comes from inbound traffic. Stupid-user risk, for example installing bonzi buddy which then tries to phone home every 30 seconds is a different matter entirely. Bonzi buddy is not a security risk....it's a matter of user education.
Ever heard of malware?
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join:2002-12-07
Rochester, NY | Hardware firewall does all the hard work for me! No resource drain! | |
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ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
Premium
join:2002-03-05
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| said by kapil :
...besides, if you're an average user and don't host any services, just block all the ports and use NAT, you almost don't need a firewall.
Yes, but there are some of us that need more than that. For example:
I occasionally run IIS and Cold Fusion server on my laptop as a result of one of the software development projects I am on. I also sometimes work from Starbucks via their wireless network (hey, I've got a T-Mobile Hotspot subscription and Starbucks is right across the street). On the instances that I am working on the project listed above from Starbucks, I would prefer to be running at least some kind of software firewall to ensure that only requests from my machine are accepted and processed by the web server-- nobody else should have access to my project or files. Now, I realize that I can do this without ZoneAlarm, but life is a lot easier doing it with ZoneAlarm.
There are also some other things that I like, like Cache Cleaner and their privacy settings.
The bottom line, I guess, is this: Do I/does everybody need ZoneAlarm? No. Does it make life easier and give me peace of mind? Yes. It is for this reason that I hope ZoneAlarm does not disappear or become unaffordable.
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join:2002-05-14
Mesa, AZ | How did it screw with your Email program??? For about a month now, mine has been stating that the email area of this program is not fully functional....any ideas?
I'm using Outlook and zone alarm pro. | |
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ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
·Internet Nebraska
| Re: zone alarm and email ? said by WWV_1 :
How did it screw with your Email program???
I use IncrediMail. I noticed that recently it was freezing up. When I contacted the makers of IncrediMail to troubleshoot, they said the latest version of Zone Alarm was causing problems with various programs. When I contacted tech support at Zone Labs, they confirmed this.
From: support@zonelabs.com
Date: 12/12/2003 12:35:16 PM
To: xxx@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Zone Labs Technical Support: Tech Support Ticket: Other ENTRY=242893 PROJ=4
This applies to
All ZoneAlarm Products 4.5.530
Summary
My game or program will no longer connect, or hangs, when I'm
running version 4.5.530
Solution
Thank you for your feedback regarding games/programs no longer
connecting under version 4.5.530 (but worked properly in earlier
versions).
This has been reproduced at Zone Labs, and the developers are investigating. It should be fixed in the next release (no set date but should be this month).
Meanwhile the only workaround is to use the previous 4.0 version that worked for you.
This also makes me mad because anything security related should be updated constantly. Now I will hesitate on updating because I now have the mentality, if everything is working now I don't want to risk screwing something up with a faulty update.
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join:2003-02-27
Oakland, CA | Re: zone alarm and email ? I haven't updated my ZoneAlarm. I think I still have 3.7.? version. I'll have to go home and find out. | |
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watchman57
My Sis And I 4 And 3 Yrs Old
Premium
join:2001-06-08
Siler City, NC
| While your looking into Norton's Firewall you should be aware that Norton has an Activation scheme like Microsoft for there software. They also have really increased the cost of their renewal subscriptions. The cost went up about 20 to 25 percent this year.
Best Regards,
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ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE | Re: I Don't Like This Well crap. Maybe it's time to go without a firewall.
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ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
·Internet Nebraska
| Now that Zone Alarm is playing fair with IncrediMail again, I am cooled off and am reconsidering just sticking with it. It will be interesting to see what changes are in store. I don't care how much this company intents to preserve Zone Alarm. When a company takes over, changes are always made.
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IGGY
No Guru Just Here To Help
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-30
Chatham, IL
1 edit |  A little bit to add
"Check Point is excited about our technology and the new market opportunities we bring to them in the consumer market. They are completely committed to our products, including Integrity and, of course, our ZoneAlarm family of products. They are big fans and they want us to keep growing them. And that brings up an important point--after the acquisition closes in the first quarter of 2004, Zone Labs will continue to operate as an independent division of Check Point. There's no change in leadership or personnel in either company.
This is a wonderful milestone for Zone Labs, and we couldn't have done it without the support of our great customers, and, especially, the dialogue we have with the members of Team Z. We all look forward to continuing that dialogue and sharing with you the next steps on our journey."
More related stories can now be found here
»www.iggyz.com/news.html
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Cable Modem Diagnostics
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Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA
| Re: A little bit to add Good news, but let's hope they stick to it. A big company might let the little company that they buy operate independently for awhile, but eventually someone in the big company decides that things would be much better if the little company followed the big company's guidelines. (I have some personal experience with this from my Windows Magazine days.)
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| CrazyJr
join:2003-02-27
Oakland, CA
| said by IGGY :
...And that brings up an important point--after the acquisition closes in the first quarter of 2004, Zone Labs will continue to operate as an independent division of Check Point. There's no change in leadership or personnel in either company.
That's what many companies say when there is an acquisition, until a few months later there are changes. | |
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join:2001-03-16
Marietta, GA | Re: A little bit to add ya all but one or two of the people from the acquisitioned company are fired.
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Maggs
Premium
join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY | I will stop using ZoneAlarn if they mess with it I will definately stop using ZoneAlarm if they mess with it too much. Cisco bought Linksys and its been bad ever since.
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Bubba
GIT-R-DONE
Premium,MVM
join:2002-08-19
Around, Us
 ·Comcast
| Good things ahead Check Point and Zone Labs acquisition press release
said by Gregor Freund:
"Our shared passion for excellence and Check Point's commitment to Zone Labs' products, partners and customers were paramount in making this decision," said Gregor Freund, CEO and co-founder of Zone Labs. "Our common vision will result in the most complete and manageable security solution to protect the fastest-growing, most vulnerable segment - network endpoints."
As a long time user of Zone Labs firewall....I have the utmost confidence that this will only enhance what is already a very fine product.
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nickb
Still Waiting For My Flashcom Rebates
join:1999-07-10
Brooklyn, NY
| Not likely that things will change much Checkpoint has no software products for the desktop. They mostly make hardware. It's a natural fit without an overlap. Therefore the chances of Zonealarm being shelved are slim. Rather it allows both to reach markets they couldn't before.
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Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| Re: Not likely that things will change much said by nickb :
Checkpoint has no software products for the desktop. They mostly make hardware. It's a natural fit without an overlap. Therefore the chances of Zonealarm being shelved are slim. Rather it allows both to reach markets they couldn't before.
Uh, CheckPoint is a software company, not a hardware company, as far as I know. Third party hardware vendors, NOT CheckPoint itself, sell boxes "secured by CheckPoint" software. But your point, that CheckPoint has no desktop presence, is accurate.
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gruggni
Oxygen Gets You High
join:2003-07-28
Corpus Christi, TX
| time to archive ZA Time to put ZA setup into my electronic scrap book.
It's a good idea to archive good, free programs. I still have a copy of ZA's first free release. Download the install/setup package and archive it for future use. A situation may arise that calls for a quick fix and one of those old apps just might do it.
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Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| Re: time to archive ZA said by gruggni :
It's a good idea to archive good, free programs. I still have a copy of ZA's first free release. Download the install/setup package and archive it for future use. A situation may arise that calls for a quick fix and one of those old apps just might do it.
»oldversion.com That's exactly their reason for being. (Not sure how they get away with it, either.)
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| | terogers
join:2003-12-19
Glenolden, PA
| Re: time to archive ZA ZoneAlarm peaked at 2.6.362. After that, they started to put their own back doors into the thing, and try to extend its reach into the rest of the machine. The first version I downloaded after 2.6.362 almost qualified as malware itself.
Get 2.6.362, turn off the email stuff, set the preferences to never check for upgrades, ask before sending information, &etc.
No matter what others are saying, it's necessary. I have a Linux based hardware firewall, as well, and you need both.
And forget most of those other guys. --TR | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| Re: time to archive ZA
Actually, the "email stuff" is the only reason (okay, also less bloat) that I hunt down and install 2.6.362. I believe it's the last version of ZoneAlarm Free wherein MailSafe actually worked (did more than stop VBS files).
The only important thing I think you give up using 2.6.362 is the ability to monitor local proxy connections. But I may be wrong.
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bassnguitar
join:2003-09-11
Imperial, MO
clubs: | I just hope that they move forward and not backward! It is rare when a bigger company takes over a smaller company and things stay the same. Hope this is good for all users of this good product. | |
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SirXILE
The SolWar 2-1
Premium
join:2001-02-24
Brooklyn, NY
·Optimum Online
| Perfect.. If they do drag it's value and features down I will quit to another. ZAP is good they way it is. I don't need no more headaches than port worms or probing to my IP.
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rbb
join:2000-09-17
Fairfax Station, VA
| This is nothing new... C'mon folks. It had to happen sooner or later.
Atguard was sold to Symantec and was renamed Norton Internet Security. It went from a nice 1meg + download to a bloated product.
Signal9's firewall product was sold to McAfee to become their firewall product...
And so Zone Alarm is being sold to Checkpoint... yawn...
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| Just one of many Zone Alarm is a good firewall, but so is PC-Cillin, McAfee,
and a host of others. One thing about it this purchase it will bring more assets to to Z labs so the product can be maintained in it present excellent form.
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wozster
Premium
join:2000-10-21
Lenexa, KS
| Re: Just one of many said by Transmaster :
Zone Alarm is a good firewall, but so is PC-Cillin, McAfee,
and a host of others.
FYI - Here's a good review of the main players in the personal firewall biz.
McAfee does very well in Kevin's testing.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
1 edit | Re: Just one of many I have used all kinds of firewalls. They all seem to work well the main thing is to configure it correctly. This, I think, is where the trouble comes some are easier to configure then others. I run both Kerio, and McAfee's firewall. It isn't necessary to run both of course but it is interesting to compare how the two work, and to be honest about it I can't see any difference, except for the fact Kerio is a freeware. I want to go to a hardware firewall. Can anyone suggest a site to go that compares these devices?
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HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO | Re: Try this ! I'll add to that and say download sygate! | |
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Synon29
join:2003-09-13
Cabot, AR | Hrmm i am usually skeptical of things like this but i'll try and be positive. Zone alarm is my firewall of choice so i'm hoping this will turn it into something better. | |
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damonlab
Premium
join:2001-05-02
Detroit, MI
clubs:  | The CEO of checkpoint... used to work at my company. He's good people. Anyhow, if he does muddle with zone alarm, he would probably improve it significantly. As far as if there will continue to be a free version, I don't know. | |
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Da22in
Buck Fush
join:2002-06-10
Charlotte, NC
clubs:
| no worries Forget the paranoia...I think they realize that ZoneAlarm is the shizzle and now they want some good shizzle. I hope they don't fix something that isn't broken. I forsee a name change at some point, but certainly not the demise of the ZoneAlarm application.
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marti
Color outside the lines
Premium,MVM
join:2001-12-14
Houston, TX
clubs:
| I'm a Team Z member also Like IGGY who posted above, I'm a Team Z member. I have received several emails from our Zone Labs liaison on this subject. He has assured us that Zone Labs will continue to support their products and he sees the merger as "a good thing." I also read a comment (on an another forum) from someone that works for Zone Labs but doesn't advertise that fact; he also sees the merger as a good thing and doesn't think that there will be changes in the Zone Labs products.
Not all mergers are bad.
On the gaming and ZAPro 4.5 problem mentioned above, yes Zone Labs is very aware that they have a problem. I expect an update (to all "flavors") of Zone Alarm in the next few weeks. (Don't have a better date, at this time.)
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gate1975mlm
Premium
join:2001-09-30
Philadelphia, PA | Re: I'm a Team Z member also Well that is good to hear! I love using Zone Alarm Pro! | |
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MudWhistle
join:2003-08-11
Saint Charles, MO | Crashes computer while playing games zone alarm does seem like a good firewall, but it keeps locking up or rebooting my computer. In the event log it showed the true vector engine causing my whole system to crash while playing online games. Anyone find a way around that? | |
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unzone
| Don't renew your Zone Alarm subscription early I thought everyone should know a big problem with Zone Alarm subscription renewal.
If you renew your subscription early and forgot or did not read or even remembered, (as one of their (not so)freindly support techs advised me of)(in a not so friendly manner)
If you enter the license key before the subscription runs out, you will loose any remaining days left on your subscription.
As in my case, I figured that I would renew my subscription so that I would not loose any coverage days in case I forgot to renew.
I lost a total of 45 days because I did not remember the installation agreement I read a year ago when I installed the software (hmmm...I remember everything I installed a year ago, don't you?)
So as an informational post I suggest that any customers of Zone Alarm not renew their subscription early or if you do, DO NOT install the new KEY that you receive.
As a note to the Zone Alarm Team--- You may want to inform your customers of this information durning the renewal and also state this in the email that is sent out after the renewal.
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I see this as a good thing