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Woman Wants $1.7 Billion Because Wi-Fi Made Her Sick
Santa Monica Woman Rages Against City Smart Meters
by Karl Bode Thursday 23-Aug-2012 tags: legal · wireless · wireless
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Santa Monica resident Denise Barton has filed a $1.7 billion claim with Santa Monica city hall, and insists that the city's new parking smart meters, which utilizes very short-range low-power Wi-Fi, are adversely affecting her health. Barton is looking for $1.7 billion in addition to $1.7 million for every month the meters remain functional. Despite no solid scientific evidence that Wi-Fi can harm human health, Barton claims the new smart meters are causing ringing in her ears, ear infections and tightness on the back, left side of her neck. "I know it seems a little big," said Barton of the hefty price tag, "but they can't do things that affect people's health without their consent. I think that’s wrong."

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vpoko
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She's making a mistake

She's making a mistake by not suing for $1.7 Trillion. If you're going to sound completely crazy anyway, you might as well go all in.

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Re: She's making a mistake

We laugh now, but 50-100 years from now they find wifi is harmful!
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Re: She's making a mistake

And if we're gonna go that far, why not implicate the entire broadcast industry-- TV, radio, satellite-- for pumping all those frequencies through our bodies without our prior consent.... not to mention GPS raining down upon us from on high. Why not sue for the damage Loran might have caused (before it was decommissioned), while we're also suing cellular device manufactuers for cooking our brain cells and the cell carriers for being complicit.

<ridiculous> And if we're going to go that far, let's be really silly and sue God for all the electromagnetic radiation from the sun and x-rays from the cosmos that sneak past the earth's protective magnetic field. While we're at it, add Mother Nature as a defendant for the naturally occurring sources on the ground. </ridiculous>

And let's not forget to sue the airlines for all that additional radiation we're exposed to when their planes are flying at 30,000 feet, where the thinner atmosphere can't attenuate solar radiation as effectively as closer to the ground.

Occasionally I've wondered if broadcast TV and radio signals cause damage to the cells in our body, given that they're emitted at anwhere from thousands to hundreds of thousands of watts. But you'd think if that was they case that someone would have put the pieces of that puzzle together by now.

nothing00

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Re: She's making a mistake

If we could just get every fool + dog from stomping all over the WiFi spectrum I'm in favor of this lawsuit no matter how crazy it is. I'd hate to live near these messes.

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said by rebus9:

<ridiculous> And if we're going to go that far, let's be really silly and sue God for all the electromagnetic radiation from the sun and x-rays from the cosmos that sneak past the earth's protective magnetic field. While we're at it, add Mother Nature as a defendant for the naturally occurring sources on the ground. </ridiculous>

You likely won't get very far with either of those lawsuits. It's been tried before. They were dismissed because God couldn't be served the required legal papers. I'm presuming Mother Nature would fall under the same category.

Besides, if you believe God is all knowing and all powerful, do you really think you have much of a chance against him in court? And if you don't believe God is all knowing and all powerful, then how are you going to put the blame on him to begin with?
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Re: She's making a mistake

said by cdru:

said by rebus9:

<ridiculous> And if we're going to go that far, let's be really silly and sue God for all the electromagnetic radiation from the sun and x-rays from the cosmos that sneak past the earth's protective magnetic field. While we're at it, add Mother Nature as a defendant for the naturally occurring sources on the ground. </ridiculous>

You likely won't get very far with either of those lawsuits. It's been tried before. They were dismissed because God couldn't be served the required legal papers. I'm presuming Mother Nature would fall under the same category.

Besides, if you believe God is all knowing and all powerful, do you really think you have much of a chance against him in court? And if you don't believe God is all knowing and all powerful, then how are you going to put the blame on him to begin with?

Hence the reason I put the <ridiculous> tags around it... as in, mocking the woman suing over low power wi-fi parking meters.

Or said a different way, if people are going to sue over every stupid, convoluted reason their imaginations can twist out, why stop at wi-fi. Let's sue the weather bureau for not preventing lightning, or sue the creator of the universe for making such a harsh and dangerous place.... black holes, dark matter, intense radiation, stars burning at temperatures considered unsafe. Next thing you know, OSHA will try to regulate the cosmos.

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One technical note the quantity of radiation you get from broadcast TV, radio..etc falls off by a factor of 4 for each doubling of distance.

The radiation you get by holding a cell *transmitter* on or close to your skin dwarfs the energy from the largest of broadcast TV towers even if located nearby.

As an example of the same concept.. our moon exerts twice the gravitational influence on the earth as does the sun even though the moon is 27 million times less massive than the sun. Sun is only about 400 times the earth moon distance.

vpoko
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said by Slava:

We laugh now, but 50-100 years from now they find wifi is harmful!

Maybe. But what if, against all odds, we find that WiFi was actually beneficial to our health.

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Re: She's making a mistake

said by vpoko:

said by Slava:

We laugh now, but 50-100 years from now they find wifi is harmful!

Maybe. But what if, against all odds, we find that WiFi was actually beneficial to our health.

That is also an option
If this was the case, would she have to return the money she would win from a suite?

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Re: She's making a mistake

In that case, we can just sue her for $1.7B for making us turn off our wifi and therefore harming our health.
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said by RobinK:

In that case, we can just sue her for $1.7B for making us turn off our wifi and therefore harming our health.

Making porn harder to get certainly would harm my health.

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Re: She's making a mistake

HAHA!!!! Amen Brother!!

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said by NOCTech75:

said by RobinK:

In that case, we can just sue her for $1.7B for making us turn off our wifi and therefore harming our health.

Making pornLinux ISO's harder to get certainly would harm my health.

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said by vpoko:

Maybe. But what if, against all odds, we find that WiFi was actually beneficial to our health.

There would be no doubt that the WiFi companies would sue the public to receive their owed compensation for helping everyone to live longer!

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Those WiFi signals that hit us are altering our DNA ever so slowly, thus helping us along in the evolutionary path to becoming able to communicate with one another telepathically.



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I think all of us on here would probably be dead by then so unfortunately we may never know.

Hell if they let this get into a courtroom anywhere then I am suing Comcast because they have been a pain in my ass forever by raising my bill causing me emotional distress.

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said by Slava:

We laugh now, but 50-100 years from now they find wifi is harmful!

Exactly!
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Well in 50-100 we'll all be dead anyway. LOL
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Even if she gets some money she isn't gonna get anywhere near a billion. Be lucky if she gets a million.

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Re: She's making a mistake

Good video! This was exactly what I was thinking when in read 1,700,000,000.00 this women is fricken Nuts!!!

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said by vpoko:

She's making a mistake by not suing for $1.7 Trillion. If you're going to sound completely crazy anyway, you might as well go all in.

Agreed. Go big, or go home.
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Radio waves, not bacteria

> She went to the doctor in late May with an ear infection, which required antibiotics to cure.

The last time I checked, Wi-Fi created radio waves not bacteria.

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Re: Radio waves, not bacteria

said by DabberDan:

> She went to the doctor in late May with an ear infection, which required antibiotics to cure.

The last time I checked, Wi-Fi created radio waves not bacteria.

LOL. I saw that too. Her lawsuit should be thrown out by a judge and her lawyer should be disbarred.
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Re: Radio waves, not bacteria

I wonder if she called them using a cellphone or wireless house phone.
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Re: Radio waves, not bacteria

said by en103:

I wonder if she called them using a cellphone or wireless house phone.

If she is found to be in possession of either, not only should her lawsuit be thrown out but she should be committed to the nearest psychiatric facility.

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OH but come on! Those bacteria are surfing on those waves into her ear!

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If she had cancer, uhm maybe. An ear infection? Hah, no way.

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said by DabberDan:

> She went to the doctor in late May with an ear infection, which required antibiotics to cure.

The last time I checked, Wi-Fi created radio waves not bacteria.

According to this web site, ear infections can be caused by WiFi (and Microwave towers). Here's the complete list of ailments "caused" by WiFi:

•Heart flutters
•Many severe headaches and Migraines
•Nose bleeds
•Problems sleeping
•Itchy burning skin
•Severe depression
•Learning problems
•Trouble concentrating
•Behavioral disorders such as Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD)
•Extremely high and extremely low Blood Pressure
•Medicines stop working as well, so prescriptions have to increase
•Irregular Heart Rhythms
•Sudden Heart Attacks and Strokes happening in younger and younger people
•More Brain diseases such as Alzheimer‘s, Parkinson's, •Motor Neurone Disease and Epilepsy
•More Cancers, Leukaemia and Brain Tumours
•Chronic fatigue
•Anxiety
•Ringing in the ears (Tinnitus) - There's a study which shows cell phone usage may increase the chance of getting this.
•Increased number of infections, colds, allergies and viruses
•Unexplained nerve and body pain

Not that I think it's related to WiFi, since I've had WiFi for 10+ years (though I recently added a 5GHz router), but I actually developed two of the things on that list (Irregular Heart Rhythms (PVCs) and Tinnitus) over the last 2 years for which there is no apparent cause.

Most agree that there are no short term effects to WiFi/Cell/etc exposure, but we don't really know the long term effect because there haven't really been any long term studies. Of the few studies that were done, the sample size was too small to say one way or the other. The only large study was to see if cell phone usage causes tumors (which it doesn't), but that study wasn't looking for anything else.

There has been a steady increase in the number of mental disabilities in the country (autism is a good example), so who know.
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Re: Radio waves, not bacteria

unless any of this can be explicitly(as in, cause and effect proof of a study, with no variables, meaning the study was held in long term in a Faraday cage, and all foods and everything else was also there, eliminating all sources of artificial EM waves effect on foods, cloths, water, ect., ect., as well as eliminating all natural sources) linked to EM waves of any kind, its all fear mongering. Its not the first time people have used fear mongering to achieve a goal. the most famous one that is still used today is "for the children". This whole thing gave me a laugh, not only for the scale of the lawsuit, but for the lawyer actually taking it, and filing it for that much. I hope this gets tossed as frivolous, because if it does not, its sets a bad example, and a terrible precedent.
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Re: Radio waves, not bacteria

said by Chubbysumo:

as well as eliminating all natural sources

Eliminating ALL natural sources would be very bad for your health: water molecules are dipoles with resonant frequency in the neighborhood of 2.5GHz. Preventing them from emitting weak RF would require dropping your body temperature to cryogenic levels, which would leave you with a lethal case of hypothermia and frostbite.

I think I'll make-do with my daily dose of H2O RF radiation.
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Re: Radio waves, not bacteria

1. How do you know they're not using 5GHz wifi ?
2. How is this different than....
a) Her neighbor's WiFi (I pick up more than 6 from my house) - they're supposedly using low powered WiFi as well
b) McDonald's, the Malls, even the local hospital here (Kaiser in SoCal) uses WiFi network in the hospital
c) Almost any business

Its just the cities parking meters ??

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said by Morac:

There has been a steady increase in the number of mental disabilities in the country (autism is a good example), so who know.

(I don't mean this a personal attack so lets get started)

Well for one science. We know for a fact that the radio signal involved with wi-fi is 100% harmless. Science has shown this..... repeatedly. You are exposed to far more dangerous chemical and radiological energy than your wifi router will ever be capable of putting out.

Right now there are thousands of scientists weeping.

The study you cite on tinnitus pretty much says nothing and says so in the summary that well for this research we can draw no conclusions other than "maybe". The study of 100 people was for far to short and didnt take into consideration prior listening activities or whether they were exposed to other ear trauma like concerts or job related noise. It also doesn't take into account the significant increase in the use of earbud headphones and the direct damage of playing them can do.

If wifi was so damaging we would have literally millions of cases more of various maladies and lab mice would be dying by the truck loads after being subjected to wifi at far stronger intensity than our home routers...but we don't.

Autism is a genetic disorder that has a massive body or research behind that that has not linked it to external variables such as wifi or other just as stupid theory, vaccines.

Lets all keep our heads and use science as our ruler.

Im sure ill be seen as ranting but seriously your wifi is harmless and will forever be.

Go out side and get a sunburn, its far more dangerous to you.

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Huh what? Concentration issues, typing this on my playbook in the backyard, using WiFi.

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I also read that they'll be adding gonorrhea and syphilis to the list because of increased transmission of porn.

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there's a cause for irregular heart rhythms and tinnitus. It's called AGE...

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Re: Radio waves, not bacteria

said by techwriter49 :

there's a cause for irregular heart rhythms and tinnitus. It's called AGE...

No and no. Old age does not cause either of those. Try again. (Oh and I'm not even middle age).
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Think of the bees!

K Band, C Band, AM, FM, DTV, etc (aka stronger radiation) doesn't affect her? But low-power 2.4Ghz does? She shouldn't go outside. And needs to rad-hard that home...

If she drives a car, sits at a computer (or uses a laptop), has a digital clock, owns a microwave oven, has children nearby (baby monitors, RC cars, walkie talkies)...well...

Maybe she should change her pillowcase/sleeping habit and see audiologist about that tinnitus.

(Question: LA Times really needs to hire better journalists... WiFi is generalization. What is the frequency? Mhz? Ghz? How is it low power?)
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Good luck on this one

Utility companies love these meters most of them are designed to take more customers money for the companies to use big money behind them .

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Re: Good luck on this one

said by w4ncr:

Utility companies love these meters most of them are designed to take more customers money for the companies to use big money behind them .

That's bullshit. Sorry but utility meters are regulated and any utility caught rigging meters would get sued out of existence. Why in this day an age would you need to send out a guy that reads a meter? There's where you get your errors. And have a big dog or a meter in a hard to get to place? Guess what you get the good old guesstamation.
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Re: Good luck on this one

He could be referring to time of use and critical peak demand pricing that smart meters will be able implement. During a heat wave, the utility could declare a critical peak event and raise your rates to 50+ cents per kwh at a time when you need electricity the most. Instead of increasing generation capacity utilities will simply jack up their rates to exorbitant levels to effectively ration out electricity. This is good for the greenies and the utilities, but terrible for everyone else.

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said by big_e:

He could be referring to time of use and critical peak demand pricing that smart meters will be able implement. During a heat wave, the utility could declare a critical peak event and raise your rates to 50+ cents per kwh at a time when you need electricity the most. Instead of increasing generation capacity utilities will simply jack up their rates to exorbitant levels to effectively ration out electricity. This is good for the greenies and the utilities, but terrible for everyone else.

Absolutely, right on the money. It's really annoying how some will drink up the smart meter koolaid. It's like a enron scheme all over again.

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She should be ordered to prove her claim of being affected

"Barton claims the new smart meters are causing ringing in her ears, ear infections and tightness on the back, left side of her neck."

If she claims to be affected by the radiation and can detect it, she should be forced to prove it via a double blind test. You put her in a shielded room and give her a button to press and hold when he ears ring. In the room is also a WiFi broadcaster which switches on and off under computer control (with the on/off cycle being done randomly). The test is run for 15 minutes and then the record of when the signal is being broadcast and is off is compared against her holding and releasing the button. If she can detect the signal then there should be a strong correlation between when the signal is on and the button is pressed. If there is no overlap then she has not proven he claim. Since the test is under computer control then there is no indication that she can pick up to tell if she should be pressing or releasing the button aside from actually detecting the signal.

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Re: She should be ordered to prove her claim of being affected

The problem is many times things like this are hard to prove, especially tinnitus (ringing of the ears) since that's subjective. Speaking of which, there is a study that claims mobile phone usage increases the change of developing tinnitus. It doesn't say anything about WiFi though.

Doing a 15 minute study for this really doesn't prove anything. That would be like giving someone a cigarette and having them smoke for 15 minutes and then claiming since the person had no ill effects, that cigarettes must be safe (slightly off topic note - until proven dangerous, a number of doctors used to recommend cigarettes).

Not that I think there's much merit to this woman's case, especially with asking for over a billion dollars, but there really should be long term independent studies done (and not ones sponsored by WiFi manufacturers).
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Re: She should be ordered to prove her claim of being affected

said by Morac:

Not that I think there's much merit to this woman's case, especially with asking for over a billion dollars, but there really should be long term independent studies done (and not ones sponsored by WiFi manufacturers).

And also not sponsored by the fanatics who think that there is a problem.

Again, if this woman uses any type of TV, computer or cordless phone (home of cell), then her lawsuit should be thrown out with prejudice because all those devices put out a lot more EMR than those meters.

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Well after all...

She does live in Santa Monica, CA...should anybody really be surprised?
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Re: Well after all...

Yes, we have more than our share of nuts and fruits than the rest of the state. Unfortunately, even more of them are elected, appointed, or hired by the city.

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Now I feel sick.

Reading this article made me sick. Thus, it was her actions that made me sick. She, therefore, did something "that affect[ed my] health without [my] consent."

I want $1.7 billion from her.

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I'm suing too

I'm suing her for $3.4B for making me sick.

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Easy to mess with her head

Lady do you know you have billions of neutrinos passing through your body every second, horrors.

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It's living in CA...

...that made her sick.
We cannot say that RF cannot cause harm - in fact it was proven that it does in certain (high) levels. But from here to being made sick by a 0.25W transmitter on the street there is a very long way...

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Frivolous

Even more frivolous than the McDonalds spilled coffee case. She should be thrown in jail for filing such a lawsuit.

Not only should it be thrown out with prejudice (meaning it cannot be refiled or appealed), she should have to pay the city's costs of defending this nonsense.
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she should be thrown into stalin's gulag

in the middle of nowhere in Siberia.

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Read the article

"Barton, known amongst City Council regulars for her detailed reports during public comment periods, filed a claim against City Hall for that hefty sum alleging that new “smart” parking meters were impacting her health."
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I Doubt that Her "Expert" Will Even be Allowed to Tes

She needs expert testimony to back this claim. In order for the expert to be qualified, he/she has to meet the Daubert standard which means that there are clinical studies or scientifically reliable studies to back this. California is a Daubert jurisdiction.

An errant expert is not enough and anecdotal evidence is not enough.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daubert_standard

In 100 years, she might have the experts (but the statute of limitations would have run). Today, I don't think she does.

I'm also wondering whether Santa Monica has governmental immunity. Then again, the attorney who unsuccessfully sued Mel Gibson over hidden anti-semetic messages in the movie Drive is the first cousin of my old boss and a once a year sushi buddy.

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You guys are missing the point ...

The point is, people don't want Smart Meters to SPY on their usage and report back. The technology is there to determine when EVERY individual appliance, TV, heater, AC, etc is in use. This is only the FIRST STEP.

NEXT STEP with Smart Meters is to bill you MORE for using power during the day when you actually need it. It will NOT lower off-peak power cost, it will just triple or quadruple the cost of any power during "peak" hours ... that they determine. It's BS. I will claim "health issues" if they ever put a smart meter on my house - because it is the point. I agree nobody should have the permission to blast you with radio waves on YOUR OWN PROPERTY if you don't want it. This is supposed to be America!
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Re: You guys are missing the point ...

said by M1M1 :

The point is, people don't want Smart Meters to SPY on their usage and report back. The technology is there to determine when EVERY individual appliance, TV, heater, AC, etc is in use. This is only the FIRST STEP.

NEXT STEP with Smart Meters is to bill you MORE for using power during the day when you actually need it. It will NOT lower off-peak power cost, it will just triple or quadruple the cost of any power during "peak" hours ... that they determine. It's BS. I will claim "health issues" if they ever put a smart meter on my house - because it is the point. I agree nobody should have the permission to blast you with radio waves on YOUR OWN PROPERTY if you don't want it. This is supposed to be America!

lol, more fear mongering from an anon. A smart meter can only see what goes thru your main power source, not what each appliance uses(that would require "per plug" power meters). I doubt any power company would ever go as far as a per item usage meter, since it costs more to maintain than its going to ever get back.

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Re: You guys are missing the point ...

I don't know how far you guys are behind, but here in Ontario, Canada, we already got nailed with the paying double during peak hours and everyone already got the smart meter installed... Worst of all is that we, the taxpayers, actually forked over the 2 billion $ to fund the installation... It's quite the rape!

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said by M1M1 :

The point is, people don't want Smart Meters to SPY on their usage and report back. The technology is there to determine when EVERY individual appliance, TV, heater, AC, etc is in use. This is only the FIRST STEP.

NEXT STEP with Smart Meters is to bill you MORE for using power during the day when you actually need it. It will NOT lower off-peak power cost, it will just triple or quadruple the cost of any power during "peak" hours ... that they determine. It's BS. I will claim "health issues" if they ever put a smart meter on my house - because it is the point. I agree nobody should have the permission to blast you with radio waves on YOUR OWN PROPERTY if you don't want it. This is supposed to be America!

Some utilities already bill you at different rates depending on the time of the day. This is nothing new.

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sketchy

It's time to put frivolous cases like this to bed. As far as I am concerned she has to be able to pass a blind test multiple times to prove she can tell when a wi-fi signal is transmitting or not.

Ringing in the ears is usually caused poor circulation around the cochlea.

I'm not saying that she very well might be the true outlier and really can hear this but 1.7 billion is ridiculous. I can see, at best, if she really can pass a blind test that the city owes her the cost of turning her house in to a Faraday cage to block out the wi-fi, plus maybe an extra 100k for suffering.
WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5

It had *got* to be caused by the WiFi radiation

said by WHT from UBNT forum :

There is no predictable or empirically observed mechanism or process in place, nor has it been duplicated in controlled conditions that shows WiFi is harmful.

Alas, the Salem witch burning metric of evidence still abounds.

I have a small 5.8 Gig AP on the right side of my desk and the ball of hand always hurts after a few hours. It had *got* to be caused by the WiFi radiation instead of the way I rest my hand on the mouse pad.

I have an AP mounted on my truck and my back hurts after driving six hours. It had *got* to be caused by the WiFi radiation.

I installed an AP at a grain mill and started sneezing. It had *got* to be caused by the WiFi.

I installed a hotspot in a restaurant and had to go pee after lots of iced tea. It had *got* to be caused by the WiFi.

Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX

"I know it seems a little big,"


youdontsay
"I know it seems a little big,"

Pledf

@distributel.net

YES! ! !

Someone tell me how to get in touch with this women I want to marry her!!!

IowaCowboy
Want to go back to Iowa
Premium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA

If she wins the money

If she wins the money, she should spend it at a psychiatrist's office. She must be having some kind of mental health issues.

maartena
Elmo
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1

You can't avoid it.

Regardless of whether strong local signals have an effect on health, the reality is you cannot avoid it. How can you prove it isn't the neighbors wifi that makes you sick? And currently, laws do not prohibit ANYONE from installing a 2.4 Ghz or 5.8 Ghz WIFI access point that is 1000mW.

The "smart meters" are significantly less than that. On top of that, a person standing anywhere in the city of Santa Monica, will get thousands upon thousands of different signals blasted through their heads, ranging from cell phone, satellite television, radio stations, air-traffic control, police/fire radio, amateur/truck CB radio, and she can probably find at least 5, and possibly as much as 20 Wifi access points from her couch.

Also interesting to note that the city of Santa Monica has an operating budget (and almost identical cost) of about 500 Million a year. If they were to impose a 20% increase on everything the city receives money from (taxes, tickets, fees, what have you), they would be able to pay Denise Barton in 17 years.

For what it is worth: I have heard of cases where people have an increased sensitivity to radio waves, so I am not discounting the possibility that she is right. But she can't prove what the SOURCE of the problem. If I was her neighbor, I would almost be tempted to buy two 1000mw access points and install them facing her wall.

In any case, if your health IS affected by these radio waves, you will have no alternative but to move. There are plenty of rural communities where your house is far enough from the neighbors house for wireless to be negligible, you can choose not to have a cell phone, and you can maybe even strike a deal with your employed that allows you to work from home part time so you don't have to make the long drive from some small community just north of the Los Angeles mountains in to Los Angeles itself for more than say twice a week.
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"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
cramer

join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:7

Re: You can't avoid it.

Actually, there *are* limits to transmitter power. (effective radiated power is limited by the FCC) Just because it's "unlicensed" spectrum does not mean "unregulated".

(also, boosting the AP power will have little effect without boosting the power of all the remote devices as well. Your iPad won't transmit @ 1W.)

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