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Hell, not only would I cancel wireless, I'd mock them by saying that we're dropping out to save your life. I mean think of the children! | |
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 | | San Fran, triple-distilled ignorance Clearly San Francisco's govt is run by complete morons. 100W lightbulb? NO problem! 1W cell phone? OH NOEZ! | |
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 |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Re: San Fran, triple-distilled ignorance said by boc_reaver:Clearly San Francisco's govt is run by complete morons. The people running that city are mentally challenged. But the voters who put them in office are just as bad. They deserve whatever happens to their economy. -- Are you happy with your rep in Washington, DC? | |
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 |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: San Fran, triple-distilled ignorance I have to agree 100% ... I lived in that city for a year back in the 90's and couldn't stand it.
I just have one question though.. with all these things that SF tries to push down the throats of people, when they did one day wake up and decide that they're a state or country of their own?
Some of the laws and things they want to change and establish just seem to be a bit out of their reach.
There isn't much data behind the cellular version of "global warming" claims to establish any hard core evidence other than "becuase some study or group of people said so"..
If San Francisco wants to do something like this, quite honestly, this is where I'd LOVE to see the carriers ban together and stop selling phones INSIDE the city limits of San Francisco - offer service only. I don't think they'd have anything to worry about as they'd simply get their sales on-line, via the phone, or people would simply go to South San Fran, Oakland, Sausalito or other close-by area.
I'm sure the cellular providers are just itchin' to pull out all this data and change everything up for a very small portion of the overall population of the country.
And, in the end.. what does it matter? We went through all this crap for menu's at restaurants and all because "everyone wanted it" and as many people I know in the service industry, very few people ever ask for that data.
I think SF (like many others) have some nerve pulling these crazy stunts, like they do all the time, and should be boycotted.. the city officials need to learn a lesson - pretty much the same one they're trying to teach the state of AZ over quite honestly enforcing the EXACT SAME immigration laws that the federal government forgot they have. Since the laws read the same, I wonder why SF hasn't boycotted the federal government yet.. oh yea, that's right.. Queen Pelosi. | |
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Its not even 1W, it's less than 0.6W | |
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 |  swhx7Premium join:2006-07-23 Elbonia 1 edit | said by boc_reaver:Clearly San Francisco's govt is run by complete morons. 100W lightbulb? NO problem! 1W cell phone? OH NOEZ! Worrying about the < 1W radiation of a cellphone may be misplaced, but your own comparison shows scientific ignorance.
100 watts is the power consumption of the bulb, and a convenient proxy measure of its light output, but is *not* a measure of its microwave radiation, which is negligible.
The cellphone puts out somewhat less than a watt of EMF radiation, in the microwave band. This is very different from the light and heat that the bulb emits. Probably not a health concern, but not comparable to a lightbulb. Apples and oranges. | |
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 |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: San Fran, triple-distilled ignorance Cool your jets there buddy... The way I read his message is pretty obvious. SF peoples are all about conservation and mother earth as well, and that Global Warmingz stuff.. a 100W lightbulb, to SF, is just as bad as that 1W radiation that no one would even know what to do with that information in the first place.
He's not trying to compare wattage to EMF rather the impact in general it has on "society" - which SF is trying to protect in their own, really really messed up ways, as usual. | |
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 |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 1 edit | Re: San Fran, triple-distilled ignorance Got news for ya buddy... EVERYTHING can cause cancer. ..simply existing and being alive causes cancer. Having fought cancer now myself, twice, and many family members and friends as well, you tend to learn a few lessons about cancer.
Until people realize what cancer IS, they will not understand that it's not always something that "causes"... there are forms of cancer that are caused by certain injuries even.
There are people that smoke all their life, heavily, and never get cancer, and then other who do. The fact that gets me is that we need to tighten everything down to "prevent cancer" which is 100% never going to happen or even remotely be achievable in any life time.. that's like saying "we can replace the ozone layer in the sky".. any human being that thinks that we have that kind of ability is misguided.
Cancer starts, basically, with a cell division gone bad. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: San Fran, triple-distilled ignorance is this comment intentional? this is this most ignorant comment I have ever seen.
there are issues with potential radiation coming out of wireless phones, and whether it can do something or not they're trying to create conclusive studies. in the meantime, cali is being careful about it - is this a surprise?
What you're saying is like going oh, why should we wear lead jackets during xrays? cancer is just going to happen!
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 |  |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: San Fran, triple-distilled ignorance heh..
not even going to argue and debate with you on this one. I know the type.
As I said in a previous post, there are two schools of thought.. those that are proven and those that are nut jobs that think everything is bad. In another thought, you know those environmentalists that burn down hummer dealerships? .. I wonder if they realize that the crap they cause to release into the air from the building fire/smoke collectively is FAR more damaging than every hummer that very dealership will ever produce combined. Proven Fact.
Global Warming is supposed to kill us too. It's about the same argument as cell phones causing brain damage and cancer. California isn't overly cautious.. but many of the politicians there are flat out kooks. And it's not even CA, its San Francisco.
And no.. lead jackets are a must as we HAVE proven that xrays are damaging. Nice try, but there is a BIG difference.
There are MANY things that supposedly are going to kill us.. but, have you ever paid attention to the news? every week there is a study saying its going to kill us only for the next week to tell us it's good for us.
To this date, I don't believe a cell phone has been directly linked to killing anyone with more than any trivial evidence that never amounts to anything.
Sorry.. you can pull your face out of your palm.. I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me... Guess what.. people historically haven't agreed with a lot of what people in Berkley say either. I'm not offended.
I drive a truck and offend those that drive the Prius. I don't care. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: San Fran, triple-distilled ignorance said by sonicmerlin:I had a feeling you were a truck driver. Nice implied dig there. 
I make no excuses.. and like everyone in America, I live my life as I see fit, not as someone or another group tells me I should.. you know what I'm talking about.. those people that have blatant disregard for the constitution and the freedoms that we're all afforded.
But, as usual, this forum isn't about the user, rather, the topic, so lets stick to that. So please, help me avoid the "hey mods" link.
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 |  phuntism join:2003-08-01 Manhattan Beach, CA | said by boc_reaver:100W lightbulb? NO problem! 1W cell phone? OH NOEZ! Hey! microwave radio wave visible light x-ray
tomayto / tomahto, right?! | |
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 |  thenderScreen tycoonPremium join:2009-01-01 Brooklyn, NY kudos:1 | A punch in the face is not as bad as a scalpel to your penishead. It takes a lot less force(wattage) to use the scalpel on your penishead, while causing many times more pain. -- If you're going to repair your own Macbook, benefit from my experiences. | |
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 |  old_dawg"I Know Noting..." join:2001-09-22 Westminster, MD | said by boc_reaver:Clearly San Francisco's govt is run by complete morons. 100W lightbulb? NO problem! 1W cell phone? OH NOEZ! What do you expect from a city that makes their homeless into deities and allows same to defecate in the streets? -- "Our network engineers are aware of the problem..." | |
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 | | wasn't SF one of the cities screaming to boycott AZ? Wasn't SF one of the cities screaming to boycott AZ?
Wonder how they feel now that the shoe's on the other foot? | |
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 |  GbcueP.E.Premium join:2001-09-30 Santa Rosa, CA kudos:8 | Re: wasn't SF one of the cities screaming to boycott AZ? said by goalieskates:Wasn't SF one of the cities screaming to boycott AZ? Wonder how they feel now that the shoe's on the other foot? No, that's LA. -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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Governor Moonbeam actually has a fighting chance for a 3rd term, though he can no longer portray himself as taking a vow of poverty - he now lives in a $2M home in Oakland Hills. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  GbcueP.E.Premium join:2001-09-30 Santa Rosa, CA kudos:8 | Re: wasn't SF one of the cities screaming to boycott AZ? said by C0deZer0:said by Gbcue:How much will $2M buy in Santa Monica? A Gucci brand cardboard box. I rest my case, lol. -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | said by Gbcue:said by elray:said by en102:Meg Whitman was the one that wanted to go after San Francisco and its sanctuaries. Until she won the primary, now she has amnesia. » blogs.laweekly.com/informer/lati···ampaign/Governor Moonbeam actually has a fighting chance for a 3rd term, though he can no longer portray himself as taking a vow of poverty - he now lives in a $2M home in Oakland Hills. How much will $2M buy in Santa Monica? The point is that Brown can't easily play the Millionaire Card, even if it applies - because he used all that political currency when he ran for governor before. He was famous for sleeping on the floor of a rented bachelor apartment, and personally driving heads of state in his Plymouth Belvedere.
When he was Mayor of Oakland (AFTER being governor and running for President three times), he moved in an industrial loft, trying to convince the middle class that Oakland was a safe place to move to. Unfortunately, you can't reform a place like that with one celebrity, no law enforcement, army or bulldozers, and a public school system.
He'll also have a hard time playing the Goldman-Sachs card, since sister Kathy works there.
Whichever of these clowns prevails, doesn't make much difference to me. Until we have a legislature that represents the citizens and taxpayers of the state, we're hosed. I think we'll have more fun with Jerry, but see better results with the Meginator.
In Santa Monica, $2M will get you a 4500' house north of Montana, on an 8K lot, with lots of snooty Hollywood limousine liberal neighbors to fight with over whose Prius is more plugged-in. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  GbcueP.E.Premium join:2001-09-30 Santa Rosa, CA kudos:8 | Re: wasn't SF one of the cities screaming to boycott AZ? What does his sister do with him? People are guilty by relation now?
If your dad was a serial killer, because he wanted (not genetic), does that mean you are just as bad as him?
I'm surprised $2M will buy so much in Santa Monica. -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | Re: wasn't SF one of the cities screaming to boycott AZ? said by Gbcue:What does his sister do with him? People are guilty by relation now? If your dad was a serial killer, because he wanted (not genetic), does that mean you are just as bad as him? I'm surprised $2M will buy so much in Santa Monica. Kathy and Jerry both benefit from the family name/legacy and espouse much of the same philosophy. She only lost her bid for governor because insisted on talking too much. Like most of their clan, they speak of the John Edwards' "two Americas", but never acknowledge that they are both part of the Elites that create the divide. Yes, they are guilty by association.
Whitman is no better, and her "business acumen" doesn't impress me, except that understanding a balance sheet and intending to right it are notions foreign to the majority party in California.
The reason you can buy "so much" in SM right now is that the banks are still making money investing bailout funds in treasuries, not writing new mortgages or extending business credit lines. | |
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Think of the children. -- "Net Neutrality" zealots - the people you can thank for your capped Internet service. | |
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 |  Z80APremium join:2009-11-23 1 edit | Re: Give Them What They Want It's all bullshit!
said by George Carlin : Something else I'm getting tired of in this country is all this stupid talk I have to listen to about children. That's all you hear about anymore, children: "Help the children, save the children, protect the children." You know what I say? Fuck the children!
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 |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: Give Them What They Want said by Z80A:It's all bullshit! said by George Carlin : Something else I'm getting tired of in this country is all this stupid talk I have to listen to about children. That's all you hear about anymore, children: "Help the children, save the children, protect the children." You know what I say? Fuck the children!
"Our government wants to do everything it can "for the children," except sparing them crushing tax burdens." | |
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 |  | | said by pnh102:Perhaps all cell towers in San Francisco should also be turned off, because as the local government believes, they could be dangerous. Think of the children. Actually, they should ban the use of anything electronic such as TVs, radios. Hell, they should even go back to horse and buggy because cars can be dangerous to one's health also!
Why won't someone think of the children!? | |
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 |  |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: Give Them What They Want said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Actually, they should ban the use of anything electronic such as TVs, radios. Hell, they should even go back to horse and buggy because cars can be dangerous to one's health also! Why won't someone think of the children!? Horses use ONLY renewable fuels. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Give Them What They Want said by patcat88:said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Actually, they should ban the use of anything electronic such as TVs, radios. Hell, they should even go back to horse and buggy because cars can be dangerous to one's health also! Why won't someone think of the children!? Horses use ONLY renewable fuels. sure, but they cause air pollution in the form of methane..
and it would really be something if every single cell phone company just up and cancelled every ones contract with no strings attatched, closed down all the stores, shut down all their towers, and hauld butt out of san fran untill such time as that law is repealed.
id laugh so dang hard... but ofcourse it would never happen. | |
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 Z80APremium join:2009-11-23 | LOL They should have it in Arizona...that would really get the smelly hippies riled up. | |
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 Steve BPremium join:2004-08-02 Seattle, WA | Misleading Headline The headline is misleading. Reading that I would assume they canceled the one that is already booked. That would be the big thing. Since they are still holding the 2010 show in SF, the headline should reflect that in some way. | |
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Stupidity on the part of the idiots in San Francisco? Apparently, you don't need an app for that. | |
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 roc5955Premium join:2005-11-26 Rosendale, NY | Wait 10 years... ...and cell phone use will be the cigarettes of the 21st century! -- "Understanding is a three-edged sword." | |
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 |  ThalerPremium join:2004-02-02 Los Angeles, CA kudos:3 | Re: Wait 10 years... Well the long term studies already go back 30 years and have been inconclusive. Maybe if we wait long enough, scientists can prove that cell phones kill through via old age. | |
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Studies going back 30 years doesn't really mean much when there hasn't been that many years of actual widespread use. | |
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 |  |  AlakarFacts do not cease to exist when ignored join:2001-03-23 Milwaukee, WI | said by Thaler:Well the long term studies already go back 30 years and have been inconclusive. Maybe if we wait long enough, scientists can prove that cell phones kill through via old age. There are no long term studies going back 30 years. The first mobile phone network was established in Japan in 1979; the first in the US was in 1983.
The 30 year study referred to in the article is a ONGOING 30 year study. It hasn't been completed yet. -- "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt the Younger | |
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 |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | said by roc5955:...and cell phone use will be the cigarettes of the 21st century! Yea... they will be taxed out the rear end. -- "Net Neutrality" zealots - the people you can thank for your capped Internet service. | |
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 |  |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Wait 10 years... said by pnh102:said by roc5955:...and cell phone use will be the cigarettes of the 21st century! Yea... they will be taxed out the rear end. arent they already with the below the line fees? =)
see now why cant SF lawmakers do something sensible with the phone companies like require them to show the true cost on the ads vs the price before the fees and taxes? that is law i could back. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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 RoboticsSee You On The Dark SidePremium join:2003-10-23 Louisa, VA | At Least They Weren't Stupid When It Came To Marijuana At Least They Weren't Stupid When It Came To Marijuana Laws, like the rest of this nation.  | |
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 |  | | Re: At Least They Weren't Stupid When It Came To Marijuana Maybe if they were they would actually have intelligence in San Fran... | |
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 MurdocPremium join:2009-02-08 Manitowoc, WI | LOL Will the state of california ever stop this nonsense? Also keep your governor away from my retarded corrupt governor here in wisconsin, I don't want my state to catch that nonsense thinking they do down in california. | |
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 |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: LOL Coming from the area you do, and having family there as well in Man, I really doubt WI will ever be as dumb. Still no helmet laws, they resisted drinking laws for a long time (until the feds forced that on them by revocation of federal funding - usual ploy) etc..
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 |  GbcueP.E.Premium join:2001-09-30 Santa Rosa, CA kudos:8 | said by Murdoc:Will the state of california ever stop this nonsense? Also keep your governor away from my retarded corrupt governor here in wisconsin, I don't want my state to catch that nonsense thinking they do down in california. San Francisco != The State of California -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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 |  |  MurdocPremium join:2009-02-08 Manitowoc, WI | Re: LOL Indeed it does. But not all the stupidness is coming out of just only one city over there  | |
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 | | Hug a tree, remove technology from hippies They can save the world and plant trees! Think about it! Demolish San Fran and replace it with trees! Then the hippies will be happy! | |
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 |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: Hug a tree, remove technology from hippies Half the "hippies" are really property investors who want to see 10% year over year appreciation of their un-environmentally friendly single family house in SF. | |
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 |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: Ban radio Stations as Well said by bgraham:They might as well ban radio stations pushing out 40,000 watts. They might also put a note on phones just for kids saying that "Never put the phone on your lap while texting because a few years from now you will be sorry" They would get a better response making a public service ad saying you'll loose the family jewels if you keep a cellphone near them. | |
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| What's wrong with LABELING? Nobody is BANNING anything. The sky is not falling down! What is the problem with disclosure? Not just with cell phone radiation, but with ALL consumer goods.
Labeling is the way we build a database, so in the future we can correlate a problem with a cause. Genetically modified foods, chemical preservatives, cleaning fluids, and anything we use daily needs to be clearly LABELED.
The riot over the suggestion that full disclosure be made here, leads me to wonder what the industry is hiding, and what future liability they may be shielding themselves from.
If there is no problem, then what's the big fuss all about? Or do you all believe that ignorance is bliss, and knowledge is elitist? Have we devolved that far as a society?
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 joebarnhartPaxio evangelist join:2005-12-15 Santa Clara, CA | The silent killer(s) Actually, if they really want to ban devices which expose users to the most electromagnetic radiation they need to ban the use of electric blankets.
These silent killers expose the human body to incredible amounts of EM radiation -- they are especially dangerous because they are so close to the body and the radiation exposure is inversely proportional to the distance squared!
And what about those Bluetooth thingies that are REQUIRED now by state law? They are SO CLOSE to your friggin' brain and they EMIT RF ENERGY!!! OH NO!!!
And while I'm on a roll, why haven't they done anything about those new FULL BODY SCANNERS at SFO airport?!?!? Those things blast you with MILLIMETER-WAVE RADIATION!!!
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