 glinc
join:2009-04-07
New York, NY | 2017??? damn man, 2017??? that's way way too far | |
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burgerwars
join:2004-09-11
Northridge, CA
1 edit | They'll adapt. I don't see the wireless giants being scared. They'll adapt as new phones and technologies are introduced over the years. What's the big deal? | |
| stufried
Premium
join:2003-10-13
 ·Verizon BroadbandA..
| Mobile VOIP Would be Great for Carriers I don't see the problem. I think they will start selling mobile bandwith on a metered basis. If I am on Sprint's Simply Unlimited plan how will Sprint lose money if I am making VOIP calls over POTs calls.
I've seen the first mobile voip companies hit the market, but I think that the potential for crap calls is far higher. You need low latency and decent bandwith for a good VOIP call. A codec can compress things down, but there is no codec that can seriously compensate for latency.
People will pick their carriers based on who has the best 3g coverage EVERYWHERE and that will surely be an area for competition. In the beginning, I think you are going to see mobile VOIP more like the psuedo VOIP clients on the Crackberry where the dialing and signaling is handled via data but that the voice goes over a trunk to some sort of portal much like the way iSkoot works.
I run an Asterisks box, have laptop softphones, Nokia E series phones (VOIP via wifi, etc). Calls over wifi when I am stationary are great. Hand offs when I am walking on a "wired campus" are imperfect.
I've done VOIP over 3g and had places where it worked well, but I have also had a number of problems. People don't appreciate being my "ginny pig" to save cell minutes. When I am calling them from abroad, they tolerate it. When I call them from next store, that is a different story. Sitting at a window seat at a restaurant in central Manhattan you might have a great call with the current technology, but what about on a light rail train or in a rural city with a population of 32,000 with only EDGE or 1RXTT.
I think the think that cell phone companies will come out with a product that will integrate cell phones on to their network for a flat fee per handset. If I charged a company $99 a month to make the handset a virtual SIP or IAX extension where company transfer, extensions, and the like worked I still have a huge market. Gone may be the power user who goes through $400 minutes a month, but (s)he is probably on an unlimited plan already. Whether the companies can gouge you more for Blackberry on top of this remains to be seen.
On top of this, this would operate as a way to lure employees who pay for their own plans on to company X. Besides any discount, you have the "option" of having a corporate line on your cell as well (with a DND feature obviously).
If I were ATT, Verizon, etc., I would view mobile VOIP as a new found opportunity. International roaming, however, will certainly get interesting. | |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·BroadVoice
| Re: Mobile VOIP Would be Great for Carriers said by stufried  :I think the think that cell phone companies will come out with a product that will integrate cell phones on to their network for a flat fee per handset. If I charged a company $99 a month to make the handset a virtual SIP or IAX extension where company transfer, extensions, and the like worked I still have a huge market. Gone may be the power user who goes through $400 minutes a month, but (s)he is probably on an unlimited plan already. Whether the companies can gouge you more for Blackberry on top of this remains to be seen. RIM is actually about to release that very product.
»news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/···5,00.htm
said by RIM Press Release :
Research In Motion is to release a version of its Mobile Voice System Server product for Cisco's Unified Communications Manager, the Canadian handset manufacturer announced on Monday.
Mobile Voice System (MVS), which RIM originally brought out in 2007, turns the BlackBerry smartphone into an extension of the corporate PBX. Its customisation for Cisco's unified communications (UC) system marks the first time it has been tailored to any one particular vendor's PBX.
One feature of the new product is the ability to have up to four devices ring at once, including BlackBerry smartphones and Cisco Unified IP phones. It will also be possible to dial out from a RIM smartphone using either the BlackBerry number or the enterprise line, and to move a call from the handset to a Cisco Unified IP phone without breaking the session.
As a unified-communications system, it provides one contactable corporate phone number, one caller ID and one voice mailbox, working across both the handset and the deskbound IP phone.
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chaser7016
@comcast.net
| Bandwidth monthly plans They'll just institute monthly bandwidth plans like Time Warner is trying to do.
They will care less what you use their bandwidth for, rather want you to use as much as you can and pay for overages or sign a yr contract for the crazy $200 unlimited everywhere connection optimized for streaming media plan! | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Bandwidth monthly plans VoIP uses VERY little data. Typical data stream is 8-9kbps on Skype.
Benefits of mobile VoIP and use of VoIP over WiFi:
1. Voice calling costs are significantly reduced for US based
2. International calling can be reduced (eg. 'free for Canada vs. $0.29/minute)
3. No roaming fees on VoIP (eg. free vs. $0.79/minute in Canada) | |
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chaser7016
@comcast.net
| Re: Bandwidth monthly plans Either way in time they wont care about providing you a rock solid calling service. They'll just focus on providing a rock solid everywhere connection to the Internet and their money will come from these bandwidth plans via HD video streaming & other high intensive bandwidth applications not yet popularized. | |
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join:2009-06-30
San Diego, CA
| Re: Bandwidth monthly plans With bandwidth being a key issue to quality, I'm surprised to find so few providers when I search sites like »www.voipreview.org and »www.thedigest.com Seems like more providers would offer broadband or recommend a quality ISP. | |
| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
1 edit | why? And why on earth will any of the big 4 remove their 5GB cap when they launch their 4G networks?
Remember Tmobile has a 1GB cap, otherwise you go back to GPRS (50kbps speed cap).
The caps ensure most/all VOIP will be of celluar quality (celluar codecs) or worse, never ever landline quality (G.711). | |
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stevek1949
We're not in Kansas anymore
join:2002-11-13
Virginia Beach, VA
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: why? T-Mobile already has phones that enable voice over WiFi using UMA. The @Home service allows unlimited voice calls with no per-minute charges for voice now. Also, if a call originates from a WiFi connection, it is handed over to the mobile network and the call remains cost-free as long as the call continues. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: why? Service = cost as well... but I do agree.
I only wish that UMA was more widespread. The @Home service doesn't give cheap international calls, if I'm not mistaken, just puts a SIM into a WiFi router for use with their handset.
UMA is probably the closest thing out there to decent VoIP product outside of Skype. | |
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stevek1949
We're not in Kansas anymore
join:2002-11-13
Virginia Beach, VA
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: why? I do not use a T-Mobile router. I have FIOS at home and can connect to any unsecured (or secure if you know the key) WiFi via UMA. I don't make any international calls, so I do not know that cost.
I have a single T-Mobile Shadow2 handset, but they also have a BB with the same capabilities.
The @Home service to enable the UMA connection does cost extra, though. | |
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anonymous001
@mcmaster.ca | None Or they will just disable calling over 3G netowrks exactly like they do for skype on the iphone right now! | |
| | k1ll3rdr4g0n
join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
| Re: None said by anonymous001 :
Or they will just disable calling over 3G netowrks exactly like they do for skype on the iphone right now!
They can't do that for the Windows Mobile platform!  | |
| apok86
join:2006-09-09
Minneapolis, MN
·Comcast
| t-mobile and caps T-mobile only briefly toyed with the idea of a 1GB cap for their G1 phone when it originally launched. They realized that they network was not congested and increased the soft cap to 10 GB on for their G1's. I regularly use 2-4 GB of traffic a month. One month I used 5.7 GB's without any performance issues or additional charges. Also t-mobile's cap is a soft cap so lets say you go over 10GB is a month you are just slowed
T-mobile does have a 5GB cap with their data card service. I don't have any experience with this product so I don't know if it's a soft cap or if there are excessive overages charges. | |
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