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Wireless companies are going green but not because of consumer demand
01:35PM Sunday Mar 23 2008 by KathrynV
tags: business · wireless · alternatives · consumers · Sprint Telecom · AT&T Yahoo · Verizon BroadbandAccess
“Green” has been the buzz word in recent months for industries across the tech landscape. However, the average wireless consumer is more concerned with the dependability of networks and products than with the eco-friendly factor. Wireless companies are actively looking into ways to be greener.

Sprint Nextel has been a leader in this area, making use of wind turbine energy at its headquarters and using hydrogen fuel cells at many tower sites. AT&T and Verizon reportedly have green plans in action although the details of these projects haven’t been revealed. And smaller wireless companies are looking at ways to go green using solar and wind power.

This growth is slow in coming and it’s being driven primarily by the decreased spending cost to the companies, not by any sort of consumer demand for sustainability. Consumers will be happy to go green when there’s no risk that it will decrease the dependability of their technology.

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pnh102
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That Explains A Lot

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Sprint Nextel has been a leader in this area, making use of wind turbine energy at its headquarters and using hydrogen fuel cells at many tower sites.
Looks like Sprint should have been spending its money on improving service instead.
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Re: That Explains A Lot

said by pnh102 See Profile :

quote:
Sprint Nextel has been a leader in this area, making use of wind turbine energy at its headquarters and using hydrogen fuel cells at many tower sites.
Looks like Sprint should have been spending its money on improving service instead.
Well with the few towers they have, it's easy for them to make them environmentaly friendly.

jjsk8r85

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Re: That Explains A Lot

Sprint owns more towers than Verizon, not sure about GSM providers. As far as CDMA goes, they have the largest owned network.

ureihcim
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Re: That Explains A Lot

AT&T has a lot more towers than Sprint, T-Mobile also known as Voicestream being second in the GSM sector.

Verizon has less towers because it operates in the 800mhz band meaning each tower covers more area than 1900mhz tower from Sprint.

Tower numbers does not really matters, what does matter is the amount of coverage each tower provides. This is why Verizon tends to have better coverage than say Sprint.

But currently iDEN is in the way of lighting up 800mhz CDMA. Which where the original plans of Sprint-Nextel.

Once Sprint activates 800mhz CDMA then they will contain better coverage than say Verizon, because they have overlapping towers per location. Meaning more capacity is available per location and less tower hopping improves overall performance.

Also if I am not mistaken analog is still up and running on the 800mhz frequencies that Sprint has, which tri-mode phones benefit a lot from.

Either way just putting that out there.
EPS

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Re: That Explains A Lot

Verizon isn't all cellular 800MHz spectrum- the three companies merged to form Verizon Wireless did include cellular carriers Airtouch and Bell Atlantic Mobile, but also their jointly owned PCS (1900MHz) carrier PrimeCo. In former PrimeCo territories Verizon should have as many towers as Sprint.

As far as I know Sprint is all digital solely on the PCS band- this was a big selling point back in the days of analog phones. I don't know if they're still planning to introduce CDMA on the iDEN frequencies- this was the original plan, but the deals made to reduce Nextel interference on public safety have decreased Sprint's holding in that band (they were compensated with more spectrum adjacent to the PCS band), and their solution to Push-To-Talk, QChat over EV-DO, has been struck a massive blow by the Qualcomm-Broadcom patent rulings.

ureihcim
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Re: That Explains A Lot

iDEN acquired Velocita Wireless though for their spectrum which later sold to United Wireless.

iDEN can operate in a range of frequencies one of them is 900mhz, and I remember when I had my Nextel i710 that it operated at 856mhz and 821mhz. But it could go all the as high as 900mhz or lower up to 600mhz.

If this where true the iDEN network could be pushed into the 900mhz block while activating the 800mhz CDMA which is much more needed.

Somethings fishy on why things are not taking off and it's pissing me off, what is left that could be the hold up for all projects.

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Sprint never had Analog. Their plan was to build a fully Digital PCS network. And CDMA can't be run in the same frequency as iDEN, iDEN is ran in a special frequency called SMR band. And Sprint has no plans with 800mhz CDMA network. Their plans are co-location on existing iDEN towers. iDEN Towers are spaced like 1900mhz towers anyways to reduce interference. Sprint really only works along the interstate and thats where it turns to other carriers for roaming in more rual areas.

ureihcim
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Re: That Explains A Lot

Sprint had plans or else they would of not shown the data from the beginning of the merger. What ever the case may be we will see what happens to Sprint, if they continue going down the drain they won't see 2009, but if they pull something off this year, then they will live to see another day.

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Re: That Explains A Lot

Well with QCHAT patents all messed up, it's not looking to bright. They have been able to keep iDEN running fairly good in my area. I have not had any problems lately with them.

ureihcim
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Re: That Explains A Lot

Pfft, talk about some serious bad luck on just about everything.

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consumers will go green...

"Consumers will be happy to go green when there’s no risk that it will decrease the dependability of their technology."

I know this comment is in regards to wireless networks and this article in general. But I disagree. Consumers are willing to go green if they know how to go green. Limited information is used by businesses and corporations to make it difficult to distinguish between options.

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Re: consumers will go green...

said by morbo See Profile :

"Consumers will be happy to go green when there’s no risk that it will decrease the dependability of their technology."

I know this comment is in regards to wireless networks and this article in general. But I disagree. Consumers are willing to go green if they know how to go green. Limited information is used by businesses and corporations to make it difficult to distinguish between options.
I as consumer demand to have good quality product. I can careless if the company goes green or not. That is not what i am paying for. Maybe environmentalist will be happy that company go green but i don't care

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Re: consumers will go green...

you should care. going green means the company will save money, as the majority of "greening" saves not just the environment but also money.

in case you can't follow the logic, that means it will cost you less green if it costs the company less green to provide a product or service to you.

that wasn't so hard, was it?

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Green cell tower?

Does an antenna tree count as going green?



John Galt
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Re: Green cell tower?

said by NetFixer See Profile :

Does an antenna tree count as going green?

Gee...THAT doesn't look out of place, does it?
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Kill a tree, save an antenna!

Just a joke, don't go ape-shit "greenie" on me.

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us too

We have one of those super green "antenna trees" near my house (Walerga Rd between Elverta Rd and Antelope Rd). I swear it took me a year or two before I realized it was TOO green to fit into the surroundings and then when I looked closely, you could tell the whole thing was artificial and you could see the antennas mounted near the top.

Good camouflage, however. They should just choose a lighter color of green for the Western states. Probably would match the surroundings in the South but the West tends to be a lot browner in surroundings with much lighter shades of green in whatever is growing that is green.

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Re: us too

I have seen a fake palm tree in my neighborhood. It looks pretty good.
decifal

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fade

The super green tree will fade in time The sun always wins
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