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New LTE tests in Germany show technology's promise....
01:49PM Friday Sep 19 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: business · wireless · bandwidth · networking
Technically, there's three front-runners for the fourth-generation wireless broadband crown: 3GPP LTE (Long Term Evolution), mobile WiMax and 3GPP2 UMB (Ultra Mobile Broadband). All three standards will offer low latency and theoretical max speeds that will eventually make current EVDO and HSDPA services seem anemic.

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Sprint, of course, is hitching their wagon to Mobile WiMax. Much of Mobile WiMax's success hinges on Sprint's Xohm launch, expected within weeks. Meanwhile, both AT&T and Verizon have stated they'll be migrating to LTE. Given the size and wealth of those two carriers, their decision effectively means LTE is, barring catastrophe, going to dominate the next-gen wireless broadband field in the United States.

That makes tests this week in Germany conducted by T-Mobile and Nortel Networks all the more interesting. The companies have just completed a test in Bonn where they obtained downstream LTE data rates of 170Mbps and upstream speeds of 50Mbps in a car moving 67kph (41mph). Granted this was a controlled experiment in close range to three towers, but it does highlight LTE's promise.

Now all you'll have to do is wait. AT&T and Verizon both started tinkering with the technology this year, but serious deployment isn't expected until 2010 or later. AT&T's in no particular rush: they say they already have 7.2Mbps working in their labs, has said they want to transition to HSPA release 7 sometime in 2009, offering 20Mbps in the process. Motorola announced earlier this month that they've started U.S. tests on the Verizon network.

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expert007

join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY

Yeah But.....

170Mbps in metric is only like 768Kbps in Uhmerican.

meh37

@verizon.net

Re: Yeah But.....

Actually, both 170 mbps and 768 kbps are decimal (same as metric).

phoneboy3

@shawcable.net

Re: Yeah But.....

Ummmm, well no your both wrong. It's in binary aka bits per second.

freeze
Magic Murder Bag
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Columbus, OH

Re: Yeah But.....

Looks like two people missed the sarcasm.

meh37

@verizon.net

Re: Yeah But.....

I didn't actually "miss" it (Uh). (I'm just a nit-picker for accuracy. )

meh37

@verizon.net

No, the whole point is that it's not binary. Data comm speeds are never measured in binary but always in decimal--bits are simply counted using standard base10. They are represented in decimal or metric; "k" in "kpbs" represents 1,000 and not 1024. Raw speed includes both data and overhead, so "storage" equivalence (binary) has no significance.

meh37

@verizon.net

Re: Yeah But.....

Typo: "kpbs" should be "kbps" (see... nit-picker )

Duramax08
Oy, Pass It on.

join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX
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Sounds like its gona be great, But is there a catch?

When this is available for The U.S., Will there be a cap? If there is, whats the use of having something really fast? People might get carried away and do downloads then BAM! Road block.

NO MOAR CAPS PL0X.
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Nuts

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH

Re: Sounds like its gona be great, But is there a catch?

The most speed they'll give you is going to be 10mb down and 768kb up. Caps will be 5GB/month.
EPS

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA

Re: Sounds like its gona be great, But is there a catch?

Makes sense to limit the speed to allow more capacity on the network- imagine if all cable companies offered only 38mbps tiers, the DOCSIS capacity crunch would be that much worse.

Actually, I wonder if there will be speed tiers now? In the past wireless broadband has tended to be bought on the principle of "you get whatever speed you get".

ninjatutle
You can keep the "change"

join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA

Don't care

what standards they use, just bring it! I'm not too picky
xenophon

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September 19th, @02:49PM

Backhaul and spectrum

Providing enough backhaul to every site will be a major challenge for all 4G carriers. Then there is the spectrum issue. ATT and Verizon may only have 25Mhz per market while Sprint/Clearwire combined will have well over 100Mhz per market.

And, WiMAX 802.16m is expected before LTE is widely available. 16m is spec'd to up to 1Gpbs fixed and 200Mbps mobile. While Sprint will have enough spectrum to do it, backhaul will still be the challenge.

MarkyD
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Oklahoma City, OK
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Re: Backhaul and spectrum

that's just it. Backhaul should NOT be a huge issue for the LTE guys. They have a couple years to get the circuits in place. That's plenty of time to equip all the cell sites in most large metros with fiber backhauls to handle the speed.
SierraRob

join:2007-01-10
Prather, CA

Re: Backhaul and spectrum

"in most large metros..."

Yeah, because that is where next-generation wireless is so badly needed: in major metro areas, as there is certainly no other way for those poor city-dwellers to connect to the Internet. While us in rural areas have so many options: dialup, satellite, dialup, satellite, dialup, satellite...

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Mattie_B

join:2008-05-16

Re: Backhaul and spectrum

said by SierraRob See Profile :

"in most large metros..."

Yeah, because that is where next-generation wireless is so badly needed: in major metro areas, as there is certainly no other way for those poor city-dwellers to connect to the Internet. While us in rural areas have so many options: dialup, satellite, dialup, satellite, dialup, satellite...

SIGH
Amen! Its great to see tech like this but you know they will start it in big city's. It seems that's what company's care about. Getting big city's faster and faster speeds and wonder why they are not signing up new customers. There just passing there customers back and forth on whoever has the better speeds.

Why not bring this tech into rural areas first. That will be a real test on how well it works. As well as gaining lots of new customers that have not been able to get anything else.

meh37

@verizon.net

Re: Backhaul and spectrum

Higher population density => higher ROI => more $$$.

Until they see the profit in doing it, they'll be in no hurry to deploy outside large population areas.
Mattie_B

join:2008-05-16

Re: Backhaul and spectrum

said by meh37 :

Higher population density => higher ROI => more $$$.

Until they see the profit in doing it, they'll be in no hurry to deploy outside large population areas.
If you fish in the same pond with everyone else eventually there will be no more fish to catch. At some point these ISP's need to start fishing in the streams that feed the ponds.

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said by Mattie_B See Profile :

said by SierraRob See Profile :

"in most large metros..."

Yeah, because that is where next-generation wireless is so badly needed: in major metro areas, as there is certainly no other way for those poor city-dwellers to connect to the Internet. While us in rural areas have so many options: dialup, satellite, dialup, satellite, dialup, satellite...

SIGH
Amen! Its great to see tech like this but you know they will start it in big city's. It seems that's what company's care about. Getting big city's faster and faster speeds and wonder why they are not signing up new customers. There just passing there customers back and forth on whoever has the better speeds.

Why not bring this tech into rural areas first. That will be a real test on how well it works. As well as gaining lots of new customers that have not been able to get anything else.
While I feel your pain, do you have any idea how much it costs to provide high bandwidth backhaul to towers in the middle of nowhere? It's business 101...ROI is just not there.
I know if I were a major wireless carrier/ISP, I'd naturally start with the larger, more dense areas, and work my way to the rural areas. It's just common sense.

waldojim

@alltel.com

Re: Backhaul and spectrum

that is true... BUT the tech never seems to get there while its useful. I finally got fair evdo at my house, good for 150KBps down. That sounds good until you consider that an update for Vista can still take an hour, or my update for World of Warcraft that still takes the better part of a day.

They never have cared if the rural market gets anything. They keep giving the Metro guys bigger, better, faster... and we get... leftovers.

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September 19th, @03:36PM

True... spectrum for WiMAX is huge, potential is huge, getting it off the ground and successful deployment/implementation isn't one of Sprint's strong points.

While Sprint has always been at/near the cutting edge, they've had difficulty capitalizing on their deployments.

What will be interesting is how their model goes against the current scale of what will be LTE. +3.3 billion GSM based subs with a most likely migration path of LTE. I'm sure there are/will be other WiMAX carriers out there.
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BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

So fricking what

As long as the wireless companies continue to have 5 GB caps what good is it to have that much speed? So you can reach your monthly cap in literally 4 minutes?
SierraRob

join:2007-01-10
Prather, CA

Re: So fricking what

Nothing to worry about. For the new faster technologies, they will almost certainly increase the cap to a very generous 10GB. (And they will add to your bill a $2.99/month Next Generation Access Deployment Recovery Fee.)
Test99
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LTE may not win

LTE is, barring catastrophe, going to dominate the next-gen wireless broadband field in the United States.
Size and wealth have not led to dominance in the current wireless broadband market.

Verizon's wireless broadband terms of service are so restrictive that they might as well say "Police line. Do not cross." AT&T's terms of service are restrictive too. And at least here in Northern California, AT&T wireless broadband coverage ends at the boundaries of major metropolitan areas.

Only Sprint has wireless broadband coverage in less populated areas. Millenicom, a Sprint reseller, offers uncapped and unrestricted service without a contract. Sprint/Xohm/Clearwire are rolling out WiMax service in some markets now. By all accounts, Verizon and AT&T are lagging a couple of years behind.

I think it's far from clear that LTE will dominate the market.
BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: LTE may not win

said by Test99 See Profile :

LTE is, barring catastrophe, going to dominate the next-gen wireless broadband field in the United States.
Size and wealth have not led to dominance in the current wireless broadband market.

Verizon's wireless broadband terms of service are so restrictive that they might as well say "Police line. Do not cross." AT&T's terms of service are restrictive too. And at least here in Northern California, AT&T wireless broadband coverage ends at the boundaries of major metropolitan areas.

Only Sprint has wireless broadband coverage in less populated areas. Millenicom, a Sprint reseller, offers uncapped and unrestricted service without a contract. Sprint/Xohm/Clearwire are rolling out WiMax service in some markets now. By all accounts, Verizon and AT&T are lagging a couple of years behind.

I think it's far from clear that LTE will dominate the market.
Verizon is the only carrier that offer statewide covererage of EVDO. At&t broadband is pretty much confined to the 4 large metros in my state. And although Spint has more boradband coverage than at&t they don't have near as much as Verizon. Hell I can't even get Sprint cell service in my area let alone broadband.
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