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Will Cable's 'TV Everywhere' Be A Big Pile Of Fail?
Yes, if cable insists on forcing square pegs into round holes...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 24-Mar-2010 tags: Video · competition · business · bandwidth · Op/Ed · cable · content
We've frequently discussed how the TV industry (both phone and cable) is collectively working on an online video service that takes some existing content and puts it behind a paywall -- accessible only to users who have cable service. The idea has long been that this will stop users from cutting the cord and moving to competing Internet-based services, though there's been some bickering with broadcasters over compensation, and the idea seems to be a jumble of non-standards from one operator to the next. Comcast is so far the first to launch their TV Everywhere effort, and opinions are mixed.

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Techdirt directs our attention to a piece over at MediaShift, where author Mark Glaser argues that TV Everywhere is going to fail, and it's going to have nothing to do with broadcaster disputes, clunky GUIs, or inconsistent standards. It's going to have everything to do with the fact that the cable industry believes they can take their old business model, and violently force it upon the new broadband-driven Internet:

The cable companies have no plan to give people the option to access Xfinity or other TV Everywhere services for a fee instead of forcing them to pay for cable TV. That means this is not a strategy for working out an online business model (either through advertising or paid content, or a mix of those or something new). Instead, the cable companies have one aim: Protect the old business model. Again, this is not a strategy born from innovation or smart thinking about new platforms. This is survival mode and all about protecting the old, broken way of doing business.

If you talk to cable industry executives right now, most of them are almost glibly confident that cord cutters are a very small niche segment, and not something to worry about. And for now, they're right. Cable's incredibly-robust infrastructure is in place, works great (usually), and even during a recession and despite endless rate hikes -- consumers continue to throw money at the industry for hundreds of channels most users never watch. But if you've watched the evolution of broadband and Internet content, you know that despite what Mark Cuban wants to believe, Internet video is a very real threat.

Right now, slow last-mile speeds, terrified Hollywood studios, and clunky first-generation home video solutions are keeping Internet video out of the mainstream. But it's only a matter of time before speeds increase, cheaper and simpler home broadband video services appeal to the cost-conscious, and consumers gladly begin fleeing a sector that has pounded consumers with an endless stream of rate hikes, forced them to buy bundles of channels they simply do not watch, and continues to have some of the worst consumer satisfaction scores across any industry (even the IRS).

Traditional cable will still dominate for much of the next decade; this is going to be a slow (r)evolution. But the industry does have one hell of a fight coming down the pike. While some cable insiders work a little too hard trying to convince you of cable's infallibility, the insightful insiders know things will be getting rocky. That's why just like wireless carriers, who fear the impact mobile VoIP and push IM have on voice and SMS revenues, the cable industry dreams of a broadband future where you're paying one hell of a premium for every gigabyte delivered -- so if you do someday switch to Internet video -- they'll still get their pound of flesh.

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Chiyo
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Boxee suits my needs

I can watch my favorite shows when I want although be it I'm not a big TV person so I guess it doesn't apply to me. The only time I'd really want cable is Football season the rest of the year I can live without TV.

I concur with the article.
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Sorry Karl but...

I've just seemed to miss the part about this supposedly "endless" stream of rate hikes that cable providers have thrown at customers.

In my view..it's gotten less expensive..and consumers have gotten a lot more for their money the last decade.

We've both been around this site almost an equal amount of time.
Remember those top level 768k tiers back then..for 42.95?
Well, now it's 12Mb and 20 Mb with powerboost..for the same exact money. Where's the increases there..the inflation?
There hasn't been any. It's been all about consumers instead getting a lot more either for less..or for the same amount of money.

And bundle pricing..what about that? Cable companies like comcast have slashed customers phone bills to practically nothing as part of bundle pricing. For 3 to 5.00 dollars a day people now get virtually unlimited internet access..all the phone they can dial across the country..and tv packages consisting of virtually everything including all the premium channels.

What else do we get for that kind of money in our daily lives...
a coffee and donut at Starbucks maybe? A pack of cigarettes perhaps? A loaf of bread and quart of milk if you're lucky?

These providers are not expensive. There is real value here that's really unheard of I think in todays world when people look at all there is and are receiving.

I think that internet video will always be a factor..but I'm not as convinced about it being the threat that some see it as.
The internet is so wide ranging and diverse and yes..you can find just about anything but often times you're just out there searching all over for it. Video quality sometimes can be lacking and there's really nothing that cohesive about it all.

Cable and phone company packages even tend to bundle it in such a way that it all comes together better I think in such a way that real value is again created for what people are looking for. I just used xfinity tv myself the other day to access my HBO package online and I thought it was great. Amazing even.
The quality was there and really..so much easier and more functional than trying to look all around the net for some downloaded program from some pirate website that everyone worries about getting caught stealing from anyway.

These companies are offering real value these days in their bundles. And quality..and I think..at very reasonable prices.

That's why I think they're succeeding the way they are today.
And why it will only continue for many years to come.

~Rick

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

Rick, I agree with you. Every provider is increasing their prices. These "rate hikes" people talk about, well, everyone is doing them. In the last 5 years, I pointed out 1-2 rate hikes per company that deals with TV/internet service.

At the same time though, more services are being offered. Its good to see the speeds going up, but I would like the cap to go up as a result. 250gb is fine for a lot of people, but as internet usage continues to rise, and speeds go up, people should get a higher cap.

Just my .02 cents. Otherwise, thumbs up to your post.
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

The thing I've noticed is that the people who experience the "rate hikes" are mainly the ones who try to go the least expensive routes with their service.

Take for example just a basic and extended basic tv customer.
Perhaps their service has gone up the last decade...and they might even be getting less.

But who's fault is it that they didn't decide to take advantage of the REAL value? Meaning.put their phone and internet in a bundle..and add preferred channels to it and maybe a movie channel or two or three of four. And a DVR.

Now, for that..they'll perhaps be paying 5 or 6 dollars a day but..what are they replacing?
A phone bill and huge taxes to the telco's. Long distance charges and internet pricing to someone else. And, they might be out there renting movies everyday at some box or blockbuster or netflix..or going to the movies and paying 5 bucks for a small soda for their son..not to mention the price of admission tickets for everyone.

People are out there spending MUCH more than they really have to by simply coming to where the REAL value is..in these premium bundles. They think nothing of dropping 3 bucks on one video tape rental..but for a little more than that price..they can get everything there is from companies like Comcast.

And so, there isn't a price INCREASE here..there's real value that has been created. That many people simply still are not taking advantage of. They're all worried about that basic tier tv service going up 2 bucks. But spending MUCH more themselves in the process on these other forms of communication and entertainment. Than by simply getting it all when it's available in these bundle packages.

I think what SMART people are doing these days is to be investing in themselves and their familes. Buying the big hdtv's..and getting into these bundles. Because ONE MOVIE TICKET alone pays the price. And people think nothing of doing that. But complain instead about their cable bill being too high.

I think there's real value here that's been created the last few years with the advent of providers expanding the way they have.

It's simply up to people themselves to take advantage of it.

~Rick

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

"Value" -- according to who? The cable company? The consumer?

No, see, you don't decide what is value to me... I decide what is value to me.

You're funny.
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

He is from Comcast so keep that in mind when reading his VERY bias post.
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Yeah and what is your idea of value then? I agree with Rick. Back when DSL was the only high speed in town it was still $43 bucks! And TV was like 30 channels for $60! Give us your plan MPScan. So we can shoot it down!
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Rick,

You posted only an hour ago and the price is already going up!

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Many people are dropping landlines in favor of cellphones anyway. Truth be told I use maybe 5 minutes per month of phone service. Bundling in phone service would be losing money for me.

As for a DVR, when cable companies decide to get rid of the god awful DVR software like SARA and put more recording space or at least enable the ESATA port maybe a DVR might be worth the $15-$30 that cable companies are charging for them. But as it is I'll choose TiVo or media center any day.

By the way I had Time Warner Cable in 2001, bundle with internet and premium channels (no phone service then) and my rate kept going up $5 every year, almost like clockwork.
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

You know, I have to to agree with Rick on this one.. and yes, he does seem to be someone that agrees 99% with the cable industry which is PERFECTLY fine in his choice.

HOWEVER.. with that said, you're demonstrating something very clear in your post...

1) If you only use 5 minutes a month of phone service, then it sounds like a pre-paid service is best for you. Do you use pre-paid cellular service? Or, are you severely under-estimating/stating your use?

2) No matter what the excuse or reason, rates are always going to go UP.. not DOWN.. Costs continue to climb from their own content providers and you can't dismiss the fact that video providers are simply resellers/consignment shops for video. If THEIR rates go up, so are yours... right? The one thing that has RARELY gone up is the price of the internet service - the one product they have the largest control over, right? Also, phone service - since they've been offering it, those prices have remained pretty steady as well.

Personally, I see the pattern here. I don't understand why people can't look past their cable bill from their provider and look to the people who are the ones causing the rate increases in the first place... We see articles posted here quite often about contract disputes all the time, yet people forget about that at rate hike time. We also see people day in and out talking loud about wanting to go direct to the source for their video to "save money" - when that very source is the place where those annual increases generally come from. (And yes, there are rate increases for other increase in business costs such as heath benefits, the incredible rise in fuel costs, and system upgrades in the name of competition)

3) The very thing you bring up about the DVR, a premium service. Tivo IS an option to you isn't it? I'm sure the over all price increase for taking Tivo is worth it for you isn't it? That is, the purchase of the box, the purchase of the subscription to Tivo and the rental of the cable card, right? Personally, for me, in the end, I could care less about the user interface.. I want to be able to rewind and pause live TV, I want to be able to set a recording, and I want to be able to watch a previously recorded show. Everything else, to me, is more than I personally care about. I could care less if the graphics on the screen look like their from 1980 or from the future and beyond so long as the functions of it do what I need.. I personally find these arguments that people have to be a little over the top and self indulgent. In all honesty, too, even the 80gig DVRs were enough for me as well. I personally have a 250gb DVR from Comcast, however, if I fill that thing up, there is no way I can really watch that much stuff in the past anyway. I guess its preference.

However, Rick brought something up as well that I agree whole-heartedly with.. many of those around here complaining about the price they pay and how they want to pay for it, to be honest, aren't the customers that really need a luxury service in the first place (that's my spin).. Cable and Satellite is a home entertainment source.. those that are trying so hard to shape and change the industry want to pay the least they can for what THEY call their premium. That's not the customer they want - and so long as the franchise authorities and other over-bearing gubberment agencies see nothing wrong, then nothings going to change. So with that, those penny-subscribers out there are most certainly seeing choices coming their way via the internet - so (and not to be mean) but don't let the door hit ya.. .;) Cable & satellite isn't for everyone nor should the industry be shaped and changed drastically for the few that cry loudly for the rest that are perfectly fine with what they have. (Kinda like health care was)

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by fiberguy:

1) If you only use 5 minutes a month of phone service, then it sounds like a pre-paid service is best for you. Do you use pre-paid cellular service? Or, are you severely under-estimating/stating your use?
This wasn't about cellular, this was about home phone usage.

Home phone is already prepaid VOIP.

But yes, my cell phone is going to be prepaid when my contract is over. I'm on a family share right now which is $10/month.

2) No matter what the excuse or reason, rates are always going to go UP.. not DOWN.. Costs continue to climb from their own content providers and you can't dismiss the fact that video providers are simply resellers/consignment shops for video. If THEIR rates go up, so are yours... right? The one thing that has RARELY gone up is the price of the internet service - the one product they have the largest control over, right? Also, phone service - since they've been offering it, those prices have remained pretty steady as well.
Pretty much what I said.

Personally, I see the pattern here. I don't understand why people can't look past their cable bill from their provider and look to the people who are the ones causing the rate increases in the first place... We see articles posted here quite often about contract disputes all the time, yet people forget about that at rate hike time. We also see people day in and out talking loud about wanting to go direct to the source for their video to "save money" - when that very source is the place where those annual increases generally come from. (And yes, there are rate increases for other increase in business costs such as heath benefits, the incredible rise in fuel costs, and system upgrades in the name of competition)
Bull. Time Warner kept upping my rate even before these contract disputes, when they used to get some locals for free too.

The only difference then and now is that the cable companies and their fanboys/shills have a convenient scapegoat. In reality prices were going up anyway, but it's better for the cable co PR perspective to blame Disney/News Corp/Viacom/GE.

3) The very thing you bring up about the DVR, a premium service. Tivo IS an option to you isn't it? I'm sure the over all price increase for taking Tivo is worth it for you isn't it?
TiVo with lifetime is cheaper over 5 years. If it's more expensive it's because the cable provider is either offering their DVR at a lower than average price or is overcharging for the CableCARD. FCC regulations will soon hopefully fix the latter.

That is, the purchase of the box, the purchase of the subscription to Tivo and the rental of the cable card, right? Personally, for me, in the end, I could care less about the user interface.. I want to be able to rewind and pause live TV, I want to be able to set a recording, and I want to be able to watch a previously recorded show. Everything else, to me, is more than I personally care about. I could care less if the graphics on the screen look like their from 1980 or from the future and beyond so long as the functions of it do what I need.. I personally find these arguments that people have to be a little over the top and self indulgent. In all honesty, too, even the 80gig DVRs were enough for me as well. I personally have a 250gb DVR from Comcast, however, if I fill that thing up, there is no way I can really watch that much stuff in the past anyway. I guess its preference.
Reliability is the #1 complaint. I've had shows missed by Cablevision's DVR. Never missed by TiVo. It just works.

Recording space is another. It would be fine if cablecos just opened up the ESATA port. Many people would stop complaining and actually go for their DVR instead of a third party alternative. But as usual, the cable companies treat their customers like little kids, crippling every feature it doesn't want to spend money on support for. That would be fine if they didn't resist third party alternatives like CableCARD, but they do.

Anyway, FCC regulations will fix some of this.

However, Rick brought something up as well that I agree whole-heartedly with.. many of those around here complaining about the price they pay and how they want to pay for it, to be honest, aren't the customers that really need a luxury service in the first place (that's my spin).. Cable and Satellite is a home entertainment source.. those that are trying so hard to shape and change the industry want to pay the least they can for what THEY call their premium. That's not the customer they want - and so long as the franchise authorities and other over-bearing gubberment agencies see nothing wrong, then nothings going to change. So with that, those penny-subscribers out there are most certainly seeing choices coming their way via the internet - so (and not to be mean) but don't let the door hit ya.. .;) Cable & satellite isn't for everyone nor should the industry be shaped and changed drastically for the few that cry loudly for the rest that are perfectly fine with what they have. (Kinda like health care was)
Around here there is really no choice other than cable or sat unless you want to watch DVDs, religious channels or infomercials. To get OTA channels your antenna has to be on a tower (as mine is). It has gotten worse with the DTV transition.
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SARA? Where have you been? Under a Dish? That is on the way out! And most likely the reason it was going up was due to you being in a discounted rate that had automatic increases each year.

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by Heated Man:

SARA? Where have you been? Under a Dish? That is on the way out! And most likely the reason it was going up was due to you being in a discounted rate that had automatic increases each year.
I'm glad to hear that SARA is on its way out.

As for where I've been, thankfully I moved OUT of Cablevision territory and OFF of cableco equipment. I'm using my own DVR (media center) and cablecard. Far superior to anything the cable company offers.
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You do realize there are actually poor people in this country right? People who can't afford to spend $179 a month for internet, unlimited voice, and digital premier.
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

$179 What the heck??? Maybe with all the channels. Are you going to watch that much TV??
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I'll agree with you that Comcast offers a fairly good value compared to some of its competitors but lets not dilute ourselves.

Bundle pricing is nothing more than a pricing scheme to hide costs into one large item to prevent customers from nit picking their bills to save a buck. Nothing else. It fools no one.... well apparently some.

Regarding xfinity... you're kidding right? It was a nightmare. I have to authorize PC's to use it, it required me to install a horrible Comcast developed program and the quality was CRAP. I'm on the Ultra tier and I gave it 3 chances to show me something decent and it failed. Besides the fact the process took way to long to get started. Stating that it's "easier than going to some pirate website" simply means you're doing it wrong. I'm all for content providers and owners getting together a elegant fair system and bring themselves into the 21st century but Xfinity isn't it. Not even close.

I'm a fan of Comcast. Overall I think there is value in their programs (as long as you work them over for better prices) especially compared to the ass raping the wireless industry likes to give out but c'mon... you sound like a bad Comcast press release.

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

omg..it was a "nightmare" for you..because you had to authorize a pc to use it..and install something to view it on?

Oh..the PAIN of it all!!

d1gw33d

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

Yes... I'm wrong. It's a GREAT piece of software! It was a breeze to setup! Comcast is wonderful! Is that better?

Back to reality;

Can I stream it to my PS3's on my HDTV's? How about my Xbox 360? How about any set top box other than Comcast's own that they like to charge you monthly for? No? That's too bad.

Instead my choices are a horrible box with software that hasn't been updated since the 90's or a crummy 3rd rate PC experience.

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I've just seemed to miss the part about this supposedly "endless" stream of rate hikes that cable providers have thrown at customers.
I'm sorry, I stopped reading here, is that ok?

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by Karl Bode:

I've just seemed to miss the part about this supposedly "endless" stream of rate hikes that cable providers have thrown at customers.
I'm sorry, I stopped reading here, is that ok?
Karl, I realize it's much more headline grabbing to continually "editorialize" about big bad companies like Comcast "continually raising prices" but that fails to address my points concerning the prices that haven't changed at all while the speeds and services have skyrocketed. And so, if you're going to "stop reading right here"...because you have no real defense of those facts..

that's completely fine with me.
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by Rick:

said by Karl Bode:

I've just seemed to miss the part about this supposedly "endless" stream of rate hikes that cable providers have thrown at customers.
I'm sorry, I stopped reading here, is that ok?
Karl, I realize it's much more headline grabbing to continually "editorialize" about big bad companies like Comcast "continually raising prices" but that fails to address my points concerning the prices that haven't changed at all while the speeds and services have skyrocketed. And so, if you're going to "stop reading right here"...because you have no real defense of those facts..

that's completely fine with me.
Acting like Comcast should be praised for keeping their speeds competitive (more so in markets where there is actual competition mind you) isn't something I think people are going to agree with Rick. Yes my speeds in 2002 were 4Mbps. In 2010 the are 22/mbps. What's your point? If you're actually implying that there hasn't been any rate increases associated with that in the past 8 years you need to sober up.

In those 8 years I've paid Comcast over $14,000 with rough math ($150/month average over 8 years.)

I believe they *should* keep their product line up to date and competitive. It's a given if they want customers to continue doing business with them.

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by d1gw33d:

Yes my speeds in 2002 were 4Mbps. In 2010 the are 22/mbps. What's your point?
My point is exactly as I stated. That speeds and services have done nothing but improve and increase..while prices have stayed VERY consistent...if not even going DOWN over the years compared to how far back you go.

Were you around back in 1995 when I and everyone else was paying by the hour for DIAL UP internet service at whopping 14.4k speeds? I don't know about YOU..but MY internet bills sometimes reached 300.00 a month and more!

Today..look at where they are..and the associated cost of access 24/7.

There has been nothing but additional value delivered to consumers..at a lower cost. And the price of access this entire access for cable customers has remained basically flat at 42.95.

No increases..at all. That flies in the face of the constant editorializing on this website to the contrary.

My OTHER point was that YES..some prices have gone up.
When people just want BASIC tv..and BASIC expanded basic..and to live in their little worlds of paying AT&T for a landline with calling features and long distance and a la carte slow dsl packages..
Yes..they ARE paying more. And getting a LOT LESS.

But who's fault is that? That is theirs. They could be bundling these services together and getting a WHOLE LOT MORE..
for LESS.

That..is where the value is. And that..is my point.



~Rick
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

The answer to why TV prices go up while internet and phone prices stay the same is pretty simple.

Because of Moore's Law the amount of money Comcast spends on equipment each year buys more powerful equipment. So the price of bandwidth has dropped dramatically over the past decade and companies like Comcast can pass that along to the customers as faster service.

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Karl, I realize it's much more headline grabbing to continually "editorialize" about big bad companies like Comcast "continually raising prices" but that fails to address my points concerning the prices that haven't changed at all
And here I was talking about TV prices in an article about TV.

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by Karl Bode:

Karl, I realize it's much more headline grabbing to continually "editorialize" about big bad companies like Comcast "continually raising prices" but that fails to address my points concerning the prices that haven't changed at all
And here I was talking about TV prices in an article about TV.
And you were talking about bundles..and wireless and.....

well..you know Karl...several things.

I don't disagree that BASIC and STANDARD TV prices have gone up...and probably even doubled. But that wasn't the point of my reply to you and it's customers choosing to stay with those outdated services that do themselves a disservice.

Why on earth would someone stay with that when for the low 100.00 a month range they could have all that....plus their unlimited phone and all the features..PLUS internet that's 4 to 12 times faster than grandma bell would like to provide to them?

That is their CHOICE Karl. But if they're simply going to live in the cave they're apparently living with..and not look around at what they can have..then they should be paying more.

It's like the phone customer who leased an ancient black dial up rotary phone for 30 years and probably paid 10 grand for it over the years. They never got with the times.
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

It's like the phone customer who leased an ancient black dial up rotary phone for 30 years and probably paid 10 grand for it over the years. They never got with the times.
Sounds very similar to Comcast's cable boxes...

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by d1gw33d:

It's like the phone customer who leased an ancient black dial up rotary phone for 30 years and probably paid 10 grand for it over the years. They never got with the times.
Sounds very similar to Comcast's cable boxes...
d1gw33d...do me a favor please?

If you were to take Comcast (or any cable provider for that matter) TOP TIER BUNDLE..with everything included..
All the channels..all the movie channels..12 to 16Mb or more internet speeds..sports tier..hd/dvr..unlimited phone service ..all the calling features..all available to every family member you have 24/7..every bit of entertainment you can imagine..at where they price it at let's say 160.00 a month in a bundle..
that equates to 5.33 cents ..per day.

Can you list for me please..what EVERY Family member combined..or..an individual for that matter..can buy..
with that 5.33 cents per day.

I'm sorry folks. But there is NOTHING out there..that represents the VALUE to individuals and families alike..compared to everything else we buy as consumers..Than what these providers deliver.

You can barely buy a happy meal for your toddler..for that kind of money. And instead..whether it's time warner or comcast or even a verizon or AT&T when considering their bundles..
what they give consumers..are a huge value today..compared to where they were years ago.

It's all in how people buy these things. The ones realizing the increases are the ones who refuse to change with the times and the ones who refuse to compare the cost versus everything else a consumer spends their money on.

I just got back from McDonalds and bought a coffee..mcmuffin and hash brown..and paid the EQUIVALENT of what virtually everything in a bundle would cost for 24/7 phone internet and tv.

These providers are NOT expensive. They are delivering real value when customers probably consider their options and what they spend their dollars and particularly entertainment dollars on.

People think NOTHING of going to the movies..spending 50 bucks on tickets..30 bucks at the concession stand..for one night out to watch one movie.
That price pays more than HALF the MONTH for every single thing that a company like Time Warner or Comcast has and that family could make the CHOICE of spending their dollars more wisely.

And I think people ARE realizing this. Maybe not the die hard BBR people here who for everything..everything above free is too much to pay for anything. Look at tv sales and how they're soaring for large screen hd sets. And look at how well these providers are doing in the face of a very weak economy.

Consumers overall aren't stupid. They know value when they see it.
And that's why they're upgrading their services to these bundle packages the way they are.

Anyways..I've made my point.
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

Rick... first off all I have already stated Comcast's product has value. You want to engage me in some kind of discussion about price which I have not once stated was the issue.

I've brought up price when stating over the years I've given a lot of money to Comcast (as others do) and expect they'll keep their product line up to date as if they don't surely someone else will. That's no reason to kiss a companies ass and blind myself into thinking they can do no wrong... Comcast doesn't sign my checks, I sign theirs.

Also get your head out of the clouds with the $160/month for the top tier packages. Try $200/month. You know that.

And certainly don't cite price per day you sound like a bad door to door salesmen. We can talk price per day when they start not charging me for the days I don't use the service. Or ala carte pricing for channels. Much like how my family doesn't go to McDonalds every day we don't watch TV every day.

And enough with "bundles." The #1 reason the bundles exist is to give perceived value to the person paying the bills each month and to simplify it. They don't like seeing line item after line item with a monthly charge some of which they think they can do with out. Again, the bundles prevent people from calling up and saying "I don't want to pay $8.95 for X anymore, please cancel it." You can't really do that when all the charges are on a "Xtreme Bundle ABC - $139.99" can you?

Back to MY point(s) that you really have yet to address other than snide meaningless fluff;

-Xfinity is bad. It is not a quality service. The image quality is sub par even for what they call "HD" and it's a pain in the ass to setup and requires a Comcast developed app to be installed to run in the background. It's limited to your PC(s) only. It can obviously get better and I certainly hope it does. You seem to be acting like Comcast invented the first net video service and fail to compare it to fairly good services like Hulu and Netflix. I expect a company with the cash reserves that dwarf both those companies to come out with something a little more compelling than a gimped version of something thats been done better by others.

-Comcast set tops are bad. The software and UI needs a huge update and you know it. It's sluggish, limited and ugly.

Cheers.

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said by Rick:

Can you list for me please..what EVERY Family member combined..or..an individual for that matter..can buy..with that 5.33 cents per day.
A) 500 channels and most of it crap.

B) Networks are FREE using an antenna. Why should they be charging ANYTHING for them?

Of course the FCC is trying very hard to killl off free OTA TV. I wonder who benefits by that? Hmmmmm.
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Rick: "160.00 a month in a bundle..that equates to 5.33 cents ..per day."

..the fuck?
How does that equate to 5.33cents per day? Your math.....

and i can happily buy everyone in my family an item from the dollar menu, at MickeyD's, for that price thank you very much (it's over $5/DAY)

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by kevin_pink:

Rick: "160.00 a month in a bundle..that equates to 5.33 cents ..per day."

..the fuck?
How does that equate to 5.33cents per day? Your math.....

and i can happily buy everyone in my family an item from the dollar menu, at MickeyD's, for that price thank you very much (it's over $5/DAY)
It is obvious to ANYONE that he meant $5.33/day
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

Loser reply +10

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Because maybe not everyone wants a VoIP bundle. Maybe not everyone wants to pay for all the crappy channels that come with digital TV, nor want to shell out the extra money for monthly box rentals that are needed with the higher tiers. Maybe not everyone has $100 per month to spare, like you.

Look, pumping up ARPU is in Comcast's best interest. It however has very little to do with *value*
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by Bill Dollar:

Because maybe not everyone wants a VoIP bundle.
Then don't expect the discount that comes with it - as the price norm for those other services.

Maybe not everyone wants to pay for all the crappy channels that come with digital TV,
... Then don't subscribe to digital TV.

nor want to shell out the extra money for monthly box rentals that are needed with the higher tiers.
Then don't take extra boxes on extra TV's, problem solved. You also just said you didn't want all those "crappy channels" that come with digital TV didn't you?

Real quick - cable television is always sold as 'one hookup'.. anything addition is your choice and does come at a cost. However, right now with cable, you don't need a box on every single TV, however, the customer often CHOOSES to have those extra boxes.. why blame cable? It really sounds like you're complaining becuase you want to have certain things but don't want to pay for it.

Maybe not everyone has $100 per month to spare, like you.
This is a common statement that MANY people make regularly. The fact remains that if you don't have that $100 a month "to spare" for a luxury service, then you shouldn't be considering all those extras that you want to have in your home.. maybe cable TV isn't a luxury you can or should afford. You have a right to TV - that comes over the air. Cable is a choice you make. There is also an "economy" tier that is priced, based on government guidelines, that you can buy - TIER1 - and it requires no boxes on any TVs. Anything other than that tier, there is no right to "affordable" TV service. Seriously, too, no matter how many articles are posted here, no matter how many people complain and are upset, and no matter how much people believe it's going to change, I REALLY don't think there is going to be any major change to cable TV rates outside of what competition will give you. I don't think this, or any government body we have, is going to waste time on lowering your rates for a service that is not deemed a necessity. This would be the same as our government going after the price of a movie ticket becuase "they are too expensive"...

Basically, ... people need to live with in their means.

Look, pumping up ARPU is in Comcast's best interest. It however has very little to do with *value*
.. and if I were investing in a business, ... this would be a model I'd go after in this capitalistic society of ours. As long as cable is a luxury, and this company is able to continue to generate and maintain subscriber bases AND continue to show a profit,.. well.. HELL yea.. that's a well run business.

There is something else to note and not ever / often discussed around these parts. Lets say that Phone stayed in the phone business and cable stayed in the cable TV business and they didn't cross into each other's paths... do you have any idea how much your phone service would cost today? Would you STILL care to pay $0.10 cents per minute on every long distance call you made? What do you think the price of cable TV would be alone? My guess is that it would be a LOT higher ala cart from each provider and service would be even worse than today still. With cable and phone getting into each others business and having bundle discounts, they CAN give you more "value" for less money than what you would most likely have otherwise from the model we've evolved from.

Think about it...

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by fiberguy:

There is something else to note and not ever / often discussed around these parts. Lets say that Phone stayed in the phone business and cable stayed in the cable TV business and they didn't cross into each other's paths... do you have any idea how much your phone service would cost today? Would you STILL care to pay $0.10 cents per minute on every long distance call you made? What do you think the price of cable TV would be alone? My guess is that it would be a LOT higher ala cart from each provider and service would be even worse than today still. With cable and phone getting into each others business and having bundle discounts, they CAN give you more "value" for less money than what you would most likely have otherwise from the model we've evolved from.

Think about it...
That's not true. Vonage was the one who started chopping down phone bills with VOIP. Cable simply followed because they saw a good idea.

I was a Vonage customer since 2003 and cut my service last year to go prepaid. At the height of it I was paying $25/month for unlimited usage, and at the low point $16 for 500 minutes (which for me is the same as unlimited).

POTS service is still expensive and that 10 cents per minute LD rate still exists with traditional phone companies. Only if you're with FiOS does the phone company give you a VOIP style plan (even though FiOS telephone isn't VOIP).
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

Ummm.. since you like to call "bull" all the time, I'll call bull here.

It wasn't Vonage that started chipping the prices down... there were unlimited services at $50.00 per month, that started chipping down the cost of home phone service.. it was MCI's The Neighborbood that started the big downward price cuts in phone service.. not vonage... there were other companies you could also purchase unlimited phone service each month for $30 a month as well before MCI as well.. Vonage came in afterward ...

I've been a vonage customer since 2004.. In 2003, Broadband was still catching up to many people.. so it wasn't a wide spread option for everyone at the time.

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by fiberguy:

Ummm.. since you like to call "bull" all the time, I'll call bull here.

It wasn't Vonage that started chipping the prices down... there were unlimited services at $50.00 per month, that started chipping down the cost of home phone service.. it was MCI's The Neighborbood that started the big downward price cuts in phone service.. not vonage... there were other companies you could also purchase unlimited phone service each month for $30 a month as well before MCI as well.. Vonage came in afterward ...

I've been a vonage customer since 2004.. In 2003, Broadband was still catching up to many people.. so it wasn't a wide spread option for everyone at the time.
Again, those are traditional POTS services. $50 per month is still hella expensive.

Vonage was the one who made "unlimited calling nationwide with no taxes and fees for one low flat rate" (exactly what the cable companies advertise) take off. Cable companies later followed, but since they owned the network they were able to section off bandwidth for themselves to dedicate to phone service.

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I'm sorry... someone who wants to keep their bill below the "low 100.00 a month range" is doing themselves a "disservice"?

As has been said above, the customer determines the value, not the provider. $100 is still a big number for a monthly recurring charge, and going from two digits to three digits is a big psychological jump. When my bill for any service hits $100, I start to seriously re-evaluate whether I'm getting my money's worth.
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by insomniac:

I'm sorry... someone who wants to keep their bill below the "low 100.00 a month range" is doing themselves a "disservice"?

As has been said above, the customer determines the value, not the provider. $100 is still a big number for a monthly recurring charge, and going from two digits to three digits is a big psychological jump. When my bill for any service hits $100, I start to seriously re-evaluate whether I'm getting my money's worth.
But Rick's point (one which I agree with, btw) is that you're not paying $100/month for ONE service. You're paying that for 3. And I totally agree with Rick, when you look at the cost for these services, compared to what you used to pay for equivalent services, and factor in all the stuff you get now that you didn't get before, it's not even close.

I have Verizon's FiOS Extreme HD bundle, and I pay somewhere around $160/month... for all three services. That includes my cable boxes... unlimted calling (along with all those pesky taxes and excise fees)... and unlimited 25/15 internet service. About 10 years ago I was paying more than that per month JUST for phone service. Even though the TV portion of my bill went up during that time (and I think, based on what you get for the price - going from analog only cable, with some 70 channels, to all digital with hundreds of channels, DVR service, VOD, interactive media guide... etc), my overall bill went down quite a bit.

I also think that getting video from the internet is fine, but if you think these content providers are going to just give it away for free forever, you're deluding yourself. Right now these content providers make money by selling their content/channels to cable/dbs companies. What happens if cable takes a big hit as a result of internet vides? I don't know... why don't we ask the newspaper industry. Right now these content providers are scrambling to find ways to make money off of providing story content on line. Many are looking at moving to pay services. Think they'll do the same thing with TV programming. Um... yeah, they will. Right now much of the content can be gotten for free because these content companies can afford to do it, and that's because they're offsetting the cost of said feed with the revenue they get from cable/satellite companies. Take that revenue stream away and one of two things HAS to happen:

a) These content providers have to find alternate ways to make up the short-fall (meaning you will pay for it one way or the other).

b) The content providers go away. Who the hell can stay in business giving away their stuff?

Add to that the fact that these providers (another point that Rick makes) package these things up in a nice neat way. Don't discount that. I have no problem pulling stuff from the web, but when I want to watch TV, the last thing I want to do is to go trolling websites to grab video. I want it all streamed, to one point - my TV - via one feed. So even if you give me a TV that can surf the web, and get access to things like Hulu, it would bug me greatly if I had to take that additional step of grabbing the video I want to watch.

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

AMEN.

You know..what the REAL problem is is that some people spend SO much time trying to save a buck..that they miss out on the real savings.

They think nothing of everyday of their lives blowing money on things that they find to be a value and a good deal and worth spending their hard earned money on..but then view what Comcast or Verizon or whomever provider charges for all their services in a bundle to be "expensive"...and that mean old cable company who does nothing but raise prices on them.

I just came back from getting chinese food at this little place down the road. I got their lunch special. Rice..an egg roll..and boneless ribs. It was their LUNCH special. It cost me 5.88 cents. And...to me..Mr Consumer..that was a good deal.
I enjoyed it very much. It was very tasty. I'll buy it again I'm sure someday soon. Their DINNER menu..for the same thing..
would have probably been closer to 9.00. I'll stick with the lunch special thank you very much. This meal fed one person.
Me.

Do people here realize..that that LUNCH special at THAT price..
INSTEAD...would have bought..the TOP TIER PACKAGE ...everything included..at their cable or telco provider?

Your or my family could sit down..dad watches the TV for 12 hours..Mom is in the kitchen talking to relatives across the country non stop for 10 hours on the phone..the kids are in their bedrooms surfing away...the brother in law you're trying to get rid of is on his computer doing god knows what...and an entire family....all day and night..has access to virtually every bit of programming..internet and communications possible..

for the price I just paid for that LUNCH special that I will have gone within 10 mins. And probably still be hungry after that.

Folks..Comcast is NOT expensive. Time Warner..is NOT expensive. Verizon fios' package..is NOT expensive.

It is pure value for the consumer. And what I would argue to be..the best value out there.

This is NOT..price increases. It is a whole lot more..for the same amount of money that was charged years ago..separately for these services.
It is much better quality. Much FASTER speeds. And so much choice we barely know what to do with it.

5.88 cents a day for all that..is well worth it. These providers need to put an immense amount of hard work and money into making this all work. Drive down the street and simply look up at all the wires and equipment and telephone polls strung all over these United States. 5.88 cents a day is NOT a lot of money to bring all this to the home. And I am talking about the TOP tier services. Not the 79.99 economy bundles which might be more in line with someones budget.
I understand tough times...and people losing their jobs and tightening ones wallets. But to me..tightening ones wallets means looking for the better VALUE..and being thrifty translates into how and where we choose to spend our money.

I could have eaten at home for probably a dollar for that lunch..instead of spending that money down the road.
I didn't..because I didn't feel like cooking. And I like the way they prepare it. And it tastes good. But if I was looking to save money..I wouldn't expect to save it off the back of companies who are already giving so much..for so little. I would expect to save it by economizing in ways like that. And at the very least..I would recognize that while perhaps someone can't afford the price of a top tier bundle..that does not make it expensive nor not a great value. It makes that person unable to afford it themselves.
And, something lower priced would make sense for them as an individual.

I don't think that internet video...ever..is really going to make all that much difference. Because the way that these providers are now packaging their services is so much more convenient.
I go to xfinity TV and click a couple links and now I'm watching my HBO programming. And there's just a vast amount of other content that is part of my package that is now available as well.
And best of all..it's all legal as well. I'm not cheating anyone.
The quality..is superb. The speeds..awesome. I don't need to be a pirate surfing the open web trying to find what I want.
It's all really right there. Nice and convenient.

And, to anyone who tells me that it's all just too expensive..I'll just say back to them. Quite smoking that pack of cigarettes a day and you'll have the money. Give up that coffee and a donut in the morning at starbucks in favor of something you make at home..and you'll have the money.

That is really what it costs.

~Rick

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by Rick:

AMEN.

You know..what the REAL problem is is that some people spend SO much time trying to save a buck..that they miss out on the real savings.

Spend more to save more? You must be a DEMOCRAT!!!

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said by JPL:

But Rick's point (one which I agree with, btw) is that you're not paying $100/month for ONE service. You're paying that for 3. And I totally agree with Rick, when you look at the cost for these services, compared to what you used to pay for equivalent services, and factor in all the stuff you get now that you didn't get before, it's not even close.
I would bundle, but the bundles the cableco has here don't include the tiers I have and I won't end up saving money.
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said by Rick:

Why on earth would someone stay with that when for the low 100.00 a month range they could have all that....plus their unlimited phone and all the features..PLUS internet that's 4 to 12 times faster than grandma bell would like to provide to them?
Your using promotional pricing here, not *real* pricing. My wife and I pay $132 a month for Comcast Internet+TV (Digital Silver), which includes all of the fees. That is the best package price available. How do you get $100 a month without promotional pricing for TriplePlay?

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said by Rick:

I don't disagree that BASIC and STANDARD TV prices have gone up...and probably even doubled. But that wasn't the point of my reply to you and it's customers choosing to stay with those outdated services that do themselves a disservice.

Why on earth would someone stay with that when for the low 100.00 a month range they could have all that....plus their unlimited phone and all the features..PLUS internet that's 4 to 12 times faster than grandma bell would like to provide to them?
"Outdated" services may be some people's only choice if they're on a fixed income, such as many seniors are. With the DTV transition killing free TV for many their only choice is cable or sat. Some people (believe it or not) may not want broadband internet or choose to get it from someone else.

Cable company phone service is also overpriced compared to other VOIP services.

And truth be told who has time to watch 300 or even 50 channels anyway? I maybe watch 8 or 10 out of the whole lineup.

Bill Dollar

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Yeah, but Rick is still dumb on his own point. Somehow he ignores the cost structure on the supply side of broadband.

This laptop I'm typing on seems to be giving a bit more storage/processing/memory/GPU than the one I owned a decade ago, and strangely, it costs less too.
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by Bill Dollar:

Yeah, but Rick is still dumb on his own point. Somehow he ignores the cost structure on the supply side of broadband.

This laptop I'm typing on seems to be giving a bit more storage/processing/memory/GPU than the one I owned a decade ago, and strangely, it costs less too.
Does that laptop have hollywood standing behind it with their hands out as well?

You can't compare the two.. sorry.

As for broadband, the price has actually GONE DOWN in the past decade.. or did you not have internet back in the early 00's and in the 90's?? Back in 1999, I was paying $79.99 for a 384/384 DSL line from Pacific Bell with a $200 installation charge, $100 modem charge, and a 2 year contract. Prior to that I was paying $55 a month for a dial up line with second phone line for a single computer.

Since then, $40 a month, or less, is about average for a fast connection that can be used on multiple computers.. But, broadband is broadband, and video entertainment is video entertainment and they both have different cost stuctures.

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Re: Sorry Karl but...

said by fiberguy:

said by Bill Dollar:

Yeah, but Rick is still dumb on his own point. Somehow he ignores the cost structure on the supply side of broadband.

This laptop I'm typing on seems to be giving a bit more storage/processing/memory/GPU than the one I owned a decade ago, and strangely, it costs less too.
Does that laptop have hollywood standing behind it with their hands out as well?

You can't compare the two.. sorry.

As for broadband, the price has actually GONE DOWN in the past decade.. or did you not have internet back in the early 00's and in the 90's?? Back in 1999, I was paying $79.99 for a 384/384 DSL line from Pacific Bell with a $200 installation charge, $100 modem charge, and a 2 year contract. Prior to that I was paying $55 a month for a dial up line with second phone line for a single computer.

Since then, $40 a month, or less, is about average for a fast connection that can be used on multiple computers.. But, broadband is broadband, and video entertainment is video entertainment and they both have different cost stuctures.
The cost per kb/Gb has gone down but the minimum requirements for applications has gone up.

In reality cable didn't keep pace with speed upgrades until competitors (FiOS) decided to come to town.

Can you drive to work in a horse drawn carriage? Of course not. That's why comparing yesterday's product pricing to today's is silly.
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

Having fun following me around??

I don't care what the cost per kb is these days.. the fact is that prices have stayed down. I'm kinda getting tired of people using Fios as a metric to measure prices by. Comcast is nationwide where as Verizon is more focused on the east coast. Comcast hasn't really adjusted prices nationwide in years yet they continue to raise speeds. The Twin Cities is a about 2.5 million large.. Qwest is the competition here.. how do you explain that? The TC market has their fastest speeds and still their average price is 42 for internet. Cable has been keeping pace.. in fact, it can be said that FIOS didn't come about until Cable forced THEM...

I'm sorry to say, but you guys really need to get off the Fios bandwagon.. Sacramento - Winfirst, now Surewest, deployed Fiber back in 1999 and it didn't shake up Sacramento very much. The broadband market in many areas is simply a leap-frog evolution.. sorry, but that's the truth. This is just the same as saying that cable didn't want to do anything with HD until Satellite launched a few new birds.. the fact is that Satellite HAD to launch something new to stay alive as Cable was forcing them to stay viable. The fact is that cable has more hurdles to pass to upgrade it's systems and its simply a slower process. You're going to start seeing cable launching 100+ HD markets as well too. Again.. it's just a leapfrog. Same thing, too, can be said with Tivo.. they started realizing they could be pushed out of existence so they had to do something to stay in the game.. they went to cable and TRIED to adapt their software (though it didn't work too well for them) but still, again, it's just another step in evolution.

Many of you guys seem to think that this is some sort of a race with some checker board finish line.. the fact is that it's just like the Indy 500 where cars will sometimes pass others from time to time.. and like the Indy race, it just never seems to end..
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Re: Sorry Karl but...

fiberguy, I have to agree here. Qwest is a joke. Here in the Twin Cities I had AOHell dial up in 1998. 1999 I got 768k DSL through US West (now Qwest) and that cost $80 for the line and almost as much for the ISP (Yes they were separate back then). I moved to a suburb in summer 2002 and only had ATTBI (now Comcast) to choose from. Back then for $42.95 you got 1.5M down and 256k up which was a bit disappointing. In 2005 they upped the speeds again but left price the same. There have been several upgrades since and now for that same $42.95 its 12/2. In other words, for the same 42.95 as in 2002, Comcast has increased bandwidth nearly TENFOLD.

That's hardly something for me to complain about but rather to be happy about!

(Its a shame that Verizon wont offer a data plan on their cell phones that provides anywhere near that kind of value)

As for TV service I guess I can blame our government for all the annoying taxes and fees that are added (and they do add up). The other part of the blame lies with the content providers themselves who raise prices to Comcast.

One other annoyance I have to complain about are that many of those same providers now have way too many infomercials but, once again that is the providers, not Comcast. In this case its those providers that diminish the perception of value for their cable network.

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Cable business is what is known in investing circles as a "cash cow" business. Little new investment is needed to keep the money flowing in. And since that money will continue to flow for the next decade anyway, there is NO incentive for cable to change their business model NOW, no matter how much bleeding edge technology types want them to. They will change when they NEED to and not before.

The key to cable staying viable longer term is for management to be ready for the change when it is REQUIRED and not before. So get the technology ready, like Comcast's Xfinity Fancast, etc and be ready to pull the trigger quickly when the revenue/cost graph says it will be most profitable to do so.
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Re: Keeping the Cash cow alive

Blockbuster saw no reason to change...

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Re: Keeping the Cash cow alive

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Well comcast is doing something, and they are doing it everywhere. TWC only does stuff in FIOS markets, otherwise is a trip straight back to 2002 for you.
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Re: Keeping the Cash cow alive

said by patcat88:

Well comcast is doing something, and they are doing it everywhere. TWC only does stuff in FIOS markets, otherwise is a trip straight back to 2002 for you.
Yeah TWC suck, Thank god Comcast (formerly ATTBI) bought them out of any area within the Twin Cities.

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A revolution is coming

There are going to be some big changes hitting the TV landscape in the next 10 years.

Why put the internet TV behind a pay wall? Thats so dumb. I know I won't pay for it, but I bet some people will. Shouldn't all users who buy cable TV service get access to this portal for free? Ah well.....

Internet video is a real threat? I really don't think it is yet. Especially for sports. I am in the process of building a home theater PC. Its my first one actually and I am going to be moving my service to Comcast and getting a Ceton tuner card. If i didn't need sports, I wouldn't be moving to Comcast and getting a Ceton. I can find all my programming on the web except for sports. So, I would say its still coming about. Its not a real threat unless everyone has the technology to take advantage of it. Not everyone has an HTPC and hooking HDMI to their TVs. Not everyone has the bandwidth to watch full 1080i or 1080p shows on their television either. Not everyone knows how to use torrents to get their shows on their TVs and it isn't legal yet to do so.

These hurdles will be navigated in time.
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elray

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Guaranteed Failure

CableCo sees TV Everywhere as an additional revenue stream, or a way to keep customers in the fold, instead of using the technology to sell ala carte services to people without cable.

CableCo needs to do the heavy lifting (lobbying, contract negotiation) so we can buy the shows, channels, networks we want to watch, by the hour, day, week, or month, similar to the way iTunes lets us buy songs from 99% of all published works.
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Re: Guaranteed Failure

The cable companies aren't going to do any heavy lifting of the sort. They want to keep the status quo, not change it. IMHO, TV Everywhere is about four things:

1. Keep customers from switching to satellite by offering them a way to watch their cable away from home.
2. Keep people from trying mobile video services from the cell companies and FloTV.
3. Kill off the Slingbox and other similar products, since these devices can allow people to circumvent things like sports blackouts.
4. Keep people from sampling non-cable-provided video online. When people are bored, they often go exploring, and they might run across something interesting that isn't on cable. Better to keep them glued to the channels they know.

This is all about stifling competition, not changing the landscape in any meaningful way.
Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
said by elray:

CableCo sees TV Everywhere as an additional revenue stream, or a way to keep customers in the fold, instead of using the technology to sell ala carte services to people without cable.

CableCo needs to do the heavy lifting (lobbying, contract negotiation) so we can buy the shows, channels, networks we want to watch, by the hour, day, week, or month, similar to the way iTunes lets us buy songs from 99% of all published works.
Actually it's a shot across the bow of the content providers. While the cable companies are willing to live with competition from iTunes, they are not willing to continue to spend billions a year on content if it's going to be given away for free on the internet. At least some of the major cable companies already know that they will eventually become broadband providers first and IPTV providers second but there is still a few years before that will happen.

castsucks

@sbcglobal.net

on line video will just go pay soon. Where is being able to

on line video will just go pay soon. Where is being able to pick what channels that you want?

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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Tempe, AZ

How about the fact that some of us...

Don't want those big, honking, power-sucking STB's on every TV we own?

Whatever happened to 'cable-ready'?

For that matter, whatever happened to simply being able to purchase a CableCARD from your respective TV provider, plug it in (or use a more discrete, simpler box) and be able to have your guide/channels that way?

Though I don't particularly like the idea of a separate box for cableCARDs either, at least if you could buy the card separately, then there should hopefully be a market for either a TV you can plug it into directly, or an expansion card for home theater PC's that then could do all the DVR work.

The irony is that the FiOS TV boxes we currently have at home ALL use a variant of the CableCARD on the back, as they are just standard (relatively) motorola STB's... which means that card is what then tells the box to be able to decrypt how Verizon sends the channels and so on. I would rather take that card out and be able to plug it into the TV somehow, and the coax from the wall so I don't have that stupid box there at all, or put it into a home theater pc (or two of 'em) so that I can do all that sweet DVR stuff, with a much more expandable unit. The HD DVR that Verizon provides only had a 160GB hard drive in it... which was quickly eaten up with half a season's worth of Whose Line? HD episodes.
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CoolB

@t-mobile.com

Netflix

$9 bucks a month. I stream on my xbox360 as well as my HP laptop. and I decide when and what I want to watch based on whether it's TV'shows (which I read more books and articles then watch tv) or movies.

I'm good.
Heated Man

join:2009-06-18
Cleveland, OH

Why Bother!!!

More and more I wonder why I come to this site. All it ends up doing is people that think they are beating the man by streaming stuff on their Xbox or whatever box instead of realizing there is a easier way. A remote and paying the cable company for the best value in town and bundling. It does not matter they will never listen so let them scratch their butt while there Xbox does not work and they try to find a show they want and their girlfriend goes to bed since they do not know how to work the complicated series of screens to try and watch TV. Whatever. You do your thing we will do ours. But stop bashing a good value!!! Gosh! if gas was a $1 you guys would find something wrong with it!!
sylents

join:2010-03-22

Netflix suddenly has new streaming content?

Is it just me or does Netflix all of a sudden seem to have a whole lot of new streaming content available?

They just told me they shipped the disc that will play in our Wii. I wonder if this was all part of their plan; adding content when the new discs were shipping...?

Business Week came out with an article that kinda freaked me out a bit. Maybe this link will work for you:

»www.businessweek.com/magazine/co···3210.htm (Article title and subtitle = "Revenge of the Cable Guys:
If you think online TV will be free forever, think again. The cable companies have a plan to keep control—and stick you with the bill."
)

The article freaked me out because I'm on this VDSL2+ install kick and hope it works out. I hope I can get movies and TV to play without going through a series of complicated screens and my girlfriend doesn't go to bed before I figure it out (there's a funny comment this is in reference to... I'll have to edit to catch the commenter's name).

Main reason I don't want cable is commercials and "noise" in my life. Maybe I'm oversensitive to them because I have lots of family in advertising but I hate them. I'd rather spend five minutes in silence figuring out what I really, really want to watch than get sucked into the vortex of 2 hours of aimless surfing (which is what seems to happen with cable), often punctuated by too many attention-grabbing commercials.

Information I love. Noise I hate.

So I'll keep looking for ways around the cable tube... even though I love the content they offer ... well, the X% that involves programming I want to watch, not the rest of the noise and commercials I don't. I think (hope) the content providers will keep offering it to & through other outlets, and I look forward to seeking out other ways to consume it, and pay for it, with less noise and commercials.

Cheers!

Anon333

@comcast.net

Clear QAM is the reason nobody wants a cable card.

Clear QAM is the reason nobody wants a cable card. If you have a device advanced enough to accept a cable card (meaning digital ready) you get more channels by simply plugging your cable straight into your device.

For Windows Media center you simply need one of the TV cards that receives Clear QAM such as the AVerTVHD Volar MAX.

You still cannot get on Demand content, but who wants to pay $12 to rent a movie when you can watch it online for free or use Netflix?

I can't believe no one mentioned this.

anon520

@comcast.net

Re: Clear QAM is the reason nobody wants a cable card.

they just blocked clear qam in my area.....so sad.

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