WiMax As DSL ReplacementJuniper: 12% of global DSL users will embrace WiMax 11:57AM Wednesday May 07 2008 by Karltags: business · wireless · alternatives · bandwidth · Clearwire WirelessA new report from Juniper Research suggests that up to 12% of existing global DSL users will make the jump to fixed WiMax by 2013. The group estimates there will be some 47 million WiMax users globally within five years, with The Far East being home to one fifth of them. While WiMax predictions have traditionally been over enthusiastic, Juniper insists there's a very clear market for WiMax in under served areas. "WiMAX will be an attractive offer in areas where there are no wired networks, and in areas where the existing DSL speed is suboptimal. WiMAX will solve the broadband access problem for users located at the fringes of DSL coverage. This is in fact the case in a number of developed nations such as UK, USA, Ireland and Scandinavia, and WiMAX network operators are deploying networks to address this market need. Additionally in developing countries - such as India - network operators are aiming to provide basic connectivity." Of course this country's largest mobile WiMax deployment will be the new Clearwire, who'll have to focus solely on major markets to be profitable. However, operators like AT&T are embracing fixed WiMax as a DSL-alternative in some rural markets where running copper isn't economical ( Alaska, for one).
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jhawk44
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Juniper insists there's a very clear market for WiMax in undeserved areas.
I sure hope that's a typo and not serious.  | |
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xdeadhead
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| Re: What? said by jhawk44  : quote:
Juniper insists there's a very clear market for WiMax in undeserved areas.
I sure hope that's a typo and not serious. pretty sure they meant underserved | |
| puffgussy36
join:2007-01-15
Hampton, NH
| Hurry up already! I'm so sick of WiMAX is in, WiMAX is out, WiMAX is back in. Been following this story for what seems like years. Just tell me when I can turn on my notebook and tap in already?
I'm not paying AT&T another $60 bucks a month (on top of my already large wireless bill) just so I can tranfer my connection from my router to their network when I leave the house. And I just flat out refuse to deal with Verizon.
Google's involvement has me hopeful but man it just seems they have been dragging their feet (Clearwire, Sprint, McGraw, Intel, Time Warner, all of them). Wired connections are screaming and affordable (or at least competitive). It's time for wireless to get on board. NOW!
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en102
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Valencia, CA | Re: Hurry up already! I agree... I'd use WiMAX when/if it becomes available in my area for a competitive price.
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| | | puffgussy36
join:2007-01-15
Hampton, NH
| Re: Hurry up already! I'm sure we are not alone. With mobile devices in the hands of over 75% of the population there simply are not enough options for how those devices can communicate and access the web.
Not that there is all that many options for wired devices either but at least wired access is typically priced at a flat rate (On Demand aside).
I'm hoping WiMAX will follow the same model. | |
| | | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Hurry up already! WiMAX is still a cell network with much lower capacity than wired broadband systems. Cable has 54 MHZ of upstream bandwidth and 870 MHZ of downstream, WiMAX will have max 20 per company.
Clearwire throttles and caps, and Xohm is now Clearwire. And Clearwire is the attempt at Mobile WiMAX in the USA. It won't bring anything new to the table, Sprint EVDO is better since there is no cap. Would I want Mobile Satellite Internet with its FAP? No, I'd rather go with Sprint EVDO and be done it. | |
| | | | | puffgussy36
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| Re: Hurry up already! Well my understanding of wireless technologies is limited. I just know what I want. I want the ability to whip out an iPhone or laptop or what have you while I'm out and about and connect to the Internet. Whatever speed keeps browsing from being a nuisance is fast enough. I don't do a lot of heavy downloading. Mostly I surf and check and send e-mail. But I'm not adding a $60 a month expense for that. It wouldn't be justified.
So I would ask, if WiMAX is not an improvement over the EVDO tech Sprint already has, why did these companies throw 3 bil Sprints way to build this thing out? | |
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en102
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| I'm not 'promoting' WiMAX, however,
Sprint has ~100MHz (paired?) of 2.5GHz spectrum, if I'm not mistaken, which is more than any cellular company has. As far as cable goes, don't forget that its bandwidth is also shared across a node, and also delivers HDTV/SD TV service across the same spectrum.
Would have been good to purchase some Sprint stock last month and sell it today. They went from ~$6 to $9...
»ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=S&t=···m&q=l&c=
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On the flip side, I'd be still at a loss if I would have purchased it before February.
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| | | | | | puffgussy36
join:2007-01-15
Hampton, NH
| Re: Hurry up already! To tc1uscg:
Actually, I agree with you about them doing it right. I just wish they wouldn't tell us about this sort of thing until it was actually available (and working). Not everyone can be Apple I guess.
To en102:
I'm sure Mr. Buffett has been buying a few shares as well as AMD (well maybe not AMD).  | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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| Re: Hurry up already! Mr. Buffett's stock is doing plenty well on its own
»ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=BRK-···m&q=l&c=
It has lost about $20,000/share since January though, most likely due to the economic conditions here in general. I.E. insurance holdings don't mean much when people are declaring bankruptcy, or walking away from their homes, or unemployed.
Day's Range: 128,100.00 - 130,900.00
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join:2007-01-15
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| Re: Hurry up already! said by GemSnake :Something tells me you'll be looking at another $50-$60/mo service. Sigh. My cynical, commercial underwriting self tells me you are right. It's tough being an ideological banker. You become your own instant buzz kill. | |
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| Re: Hurry up already! Not really. I congratulate you on being a realist. There are way too many people who live on cloud nine, who still expect to be treated like VIPs for a cool price of free. I bet they still believe in Santa Claus and Tooth Fairy.
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jlsamsel
join:2006-08-26
Stixville | The rural savior? I rather doubt it. WiMax will probably only be offered in areas where DSL, cable, and fiber are readily available.
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Chicago, IL | Re: The rural savior? Yeah, it'll be right out there with BPL, bringing the Innernets to the cornfields... 
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dogma
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| AT&T to go ALL wireless Senior engineers I have spoken with at AT&T suggest they will completely abandon all copper lines in their franchise areas and deliver voice/data/video over wireless within 10 years. Too costly & labor intensive to maintain the "sticks". | |
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| Re: AT&T to go ALL wireless .... and I'll bet AT&T will get the USF to pay for all the wireless equipment deployed, and then when it's done they'll save the millions/hundreds of millions when they abandon all the old wire... not to mention laying off all the line techs and the like.... and you know damn well they won't pass the savings back to the subscribers.
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| when will the bubble burst? Whats more has more vapor, BPL or WiMAX?
I'm waiting for the WiMAX bubble to burst. This is just another BS sponsored report to make investors run and cash dump their money in WiMAX. If WiMAX would be serious, Intel would be force bundling it with laptops already as part of Centrino, but its not. Thats how you know its not serious.
WiMAX will never be anything more than an alternative with Vendor inter-compatibility behind it to proprietary P2M microwave links/fixed WISP. Look how popular MMDS WISPs are in the USA, thats how popular WiMAX will ever get. | |
| | | | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: when will the bubble burst? LTE was adopted by Ma Bell (Verizon/ATT), guaranteed roll out now. Plus LTE will have rural coverage so cheap PCS carriers (likes of Tmobile, Sprint, MetroPCS, Cricket) and regionals (US Cellular) will HAVE to have deploy LTE or have dual mode handsets to have national roaming, not having national roaming of any kind is a death sentence for any cell carrier.
Something tells me WiMAX will never exceed Sprint's 3G coverage area or be a provider of last resort like ATT Mobility/Verizon Wireless, WiMAX and the PCS cell carriers are high frequency, low penetration, low range systems that are urban, and partially suburban systems, not exurban and rural. | |
| | | | a333
join:2007-06-12
Little Neck, NY
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| Re: when will the bubble burst? And how many LTE installations are in the US? That's rihgt, NONE!! So stop drinking your LTE Kool-Aid. At least WiMax has SOME traction in the US, LTE has none whatsoever. Right now, LTE's worth less to me than BPL (at least BPL had trials and some deployment) LTE, so far, has not been commercially deployed anywhere in the US. Plus, don't forget, Sprint has 100 Mhz spectrum, unlike about 20 for ATT/Verizon. | |
| | | | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: when will the bubble burst? Sprint has plenty of useless spectrum for which devices will never exist. Sprint can't have 100% custom made chipsets and handsets for all its abnormal non-standard frequencies. Manufacturers will drop $600 terminal/handset costs since its impossible to sell the devices to anyone outside the USA, and only Sprint will be deploying WiMAX.
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100mhz of useless spectrum. ATT and Verizon have tons and tons of PCS, and 800. Bands for which devices are actually available and devices which can be used on multiple carriers. Good luck trying any 3G handsets on T-Mobile USA except for T-Mobile USA 3G handsets. The same problem is sorta going on with ATT 3G, but atleast there is more oppertunity for reconfiguring handsets since they already have to run 800/1900 in them, not T-Mobile's AWS band which nobody else in the world uses. Find me 1 "USA 3G" phone that I can swap sim cards between ATT and T-Mobile and the phone gets 3G on both.
Proprietary band phones are the new handset locks and IMEI and ESN lock outs. No phone maker will dare to make a phone for a proprietary band without a guarantee that the phone will be sold retail by the carrier of that proprietary band, and carriers won't allow phones which contain the proprietary bands of its competitors.
Prepare for 800/1700/1900 CDMA phones that Verizon won't carry, T-Mobile USA HSDPA phones, AT&T HSDPA phones. A good hope is LTE 700 Verizon and AT&T phones, now I can swap sim cards between the 2 carriers, and lets not forget new Clearwire 2.5 WiMAX equipment, and then 2.4 and 5.8 ghz public WiMAX, 3.3, 3.5, 3.7, 2.7, 5.3, 5.5, 1.5 ghz and possibly 700 mhz, and who knows what future bands come along after the Analog shut down, and who knows what wimax in whitespace scheme (use GPS or pilot signals to enable handsets), BTW, since Wimax operates upto 66 GHZ, LMDS band needs some love too. So who is going to make a Wimax adaptor that works on 12 or more different bands? Or is what bands your phone does the new handset locking and firmware locking and IMEI/ESN limiting? | |
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| Re: when will the bubble burst? Dude.. you getting way too deep in the speculation. Just because AT&T and VZW are "behind it" doesn't mean the world is going to stop and wait for the next gen of phones . And WiMAX is way more then just handsets. I like concept cars too and you have some of the biggest car companies showing them off, but till they are on the street, overseas and IN USE.. I don't give them much thought. Besides I like this statement in GIGAOM.
If WiMax is the hippie, grass-roots parents on “Family Ties,” LTE is closer to Alex P. Keaton. The players determining the LTE standard through the 3GPP are comprised of carriers and equipment vendors who have been buying and selling the same proprietary boxes for years. The open, standards-based way of doing business isn’t exactly their modus operandi. I think that's another PLUS for WiMAX. You may enjoy watching video on your phone. I do. Mostly when I'm taking a dump. Watching LIVE tv on my Sprint EVDO phone is cool but useless for the most part. So when the LTE concept/speculation is on the streets, deployed overseas in many areas and in use, other then a lab, it might be worth discussing.. but a lot can happen in 2 years.  | |
| xenophon
join:2007-09-17
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| The article is refer to WiMAX global penetration You guys are looking at this very provincially. Believe it or not, WiMAX will be used more broadly outside the US.
While WiMAX probably won't be broadly used in rural areas in the US for many years, WiMAX is a major target for developing contries and rural areas outside the US that do not have existing telcom infrastructure. Cisco got into the WiMAX game for the global market. They don't care if it happens in the US or not.
WiMAX would survive even if the US didn't deploy it. And now, it looks like the chances are higher it will happen in the States, but not much will be rural for a long time. | |
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