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Is regurgitated TV and web 2.0 hyperbole all there is?
(old news - 07:11PM Wednesday Jan 11 2006)
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Another day on the newswires: ZDNet is exploring wireless backhaul capacity upgrades in order to watch Gwen Stefani videos on your cellphone. Tech-blogger Om Malik is excited over a company offering online Calendars. The intellectual mecca known as the E! channel is launching a broadband channel.

Not to be a killjoy, but is regurgitated television and on-line calendars really the best we can do with our 1-30Mbps broadband connections? Shouldn't there be something more? Games utilizing two-way video? Virtual church? Virtual tours? Better virtual sex? Something that vaguely resembles innovation? Assuming capacity, caps and deployment are not an issue: what kind of content would you like to see emerge over the next five years?

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Steimes
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HDTV - I direct

I would love to watch NHL, NFL, live events ect that I can direct. If it be live or on demand, I would love to watch the game the way I want to watch it. I choose what camera angel to see for the replay, live action ect. Now I know 20-30 live (or bottled) HDTV streams at my disposal is a tall order, but so was the super computers we have sitting in front of us 20 years ago.
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Re: HDTV - I direct

said by Steimes See Profile :

I would love to watch NHL, NFL, live events ect that I can direct. If it be live or on demand, I would love to watch the game the way I want to watch it. I choose what camera angel to see for the replay, live action ect. Now I know 20-30 live (or bottled) HDTV streams at my disposal is a tall order, but so was the super computers we have sitting in front of us 20 years ago.
I think DirectTV (not any of the cable providers as far as I know) has a NFL package that allows you to see the game from different camera angles. A game is then simultaniously broadcasted on several channels from different angles. If you have a dual tuner receiver, you could place a smaller TV without sound on next to your regular TV and watch the same game from a different angle.

I know that NASCAR offers like 10 channels on races, so you can see from inside a number of cars, follow the race from different angles, etc, etc...

Choosing what camera angle to use when you watch replays, etc, is something that is probably not too far in the distant future, but I think control over which camera you want to see at what point in time is more likely to happen with cable then it is with satellite, just like Video on Demand, because I would think there is some communication required between customer and the tv provider.
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I would like to see....

Less restrictions placed on digital content sold to consumers. Better writing, and less use of wire services. I realized that a newspaper cannot have a reporter in every single city around the globe, but when the entire newspaper or website is AP/Reuters wire feeds with no local content, it is not worth reading.
I would also like to see a total switch to HD broadcasting. The cost of HD recording and broadcasting equipment has fallen dramatically over the past few years, and even become present in the consumer markets. There is no excuse not to go HD within 5 years now.
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Self-directed Virtual Travel

Today the whole world is practically blanketed with web cams, many of them high resolution and web controlled. Instead of searching for them 1 by 1 and checking out the views serially, an application that could stream the views as part of a virtual tour using a massive GPS indexed database would allow shut-ins and the handicapped to travel the world day or night. Of course all the cams would have to be high bandwidth high def full streaming and not just the 1 picture every 30 secs type.
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footballdude
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Re: Self-directed Virtual Travel

That's an idea you could make some serious money on. You shouldn't give ideas like that away for free!

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Re: Self-directed Virtual Travel

said by footballdude See Profile :

That's an idea you could make some serious money on. You shouldn't give ideas like that away for free!
It's all yours to run with. But I'll bet some guy at Google already saw it and is now using his 20% free time allocation to develop it.:D
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footballdude
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Re: Self-directed Virtual Travel

It would be an obvious extension of Google maps. It appears they have the capital to develop something like this as well.
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Unfortunatly these are the big issues

Quoting hte article:
Assuming capacity, caps and deployment are not an issue:

the reality is..those are the issues and until we have the cap and the capacity problems solved it's not going to get better. At least not on that front..hoever iptv vidcasts like systm and others gladly make up for it..:)
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blacksky

join:2003-02-08
Bonita Springs, FL

Yep

Subservient chicken embodies the pinnacle of broadband content for me.......»www.subservientchicken.com/
hedyd4u
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Schenectady, NY

Technology advances yes Innovation lost

I have doubts that any of the major players will be innovative with the advancing technology. Unless of course you consider high profit margins innovative.

G_Poobah

join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY

The future is also the past

A REAL archive of TV shows, past and present. Think the Amazon of TV. Episodes at .05 to .10 cents each, commercial free. No Ipod crap, and the google TV looks like crap too. I'm talking DivX high quality (1GB/hour) style shows. A REAL archive of Movies, past and present. .25-.50 cents. A REAL Archive of books, magazines, newspapers. The sum of all of mankinds knowledge, available for free, for all of mankind.

Guess what, mankind survived for 5,000 years without copyrights. It's a crime against humanity to lock away all those productions, all that knowledge to feed the greed. 7 year copyrights, then it's in the public domain. THAT's what will make the country great again, not 100 year+ copyrights.

This isn't communism. This isn't socialism. This is the advancement of mankind. This is free knowledge. This is the Great Library of Alexandria all over again. Sure, there's tons of crap with it, but there's also tons and tons of unknown gems.

It's time to rise up, and take over a small central american country (I'm thinking costa rica), and install the greatest database of knowledge ever created. We can always invite some canadians, so everyone will like us. Of course, the US would invade, but I'm sure we can find enough scientists to make our own, better weapons, and turn washington into a smoldering waste pile (well, more of a smoldering waste pile than it already is). Information wants to be free.

chotty

join:2004-07-12
Birmingham, AL

Re: The future is also the past

Who knew Karl Marx was alive and well, living in NY state and devising a 21st century broadband Utopian paradise?!
I, for one, will rest much easier tonight...

G_Poobah

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Schenectady, NY

Re: The future is also the past

True, true, We can all sit around the campfire and sing 'The Internationale!' and 'Onward Red Guards, Proletarians!'. But the truth of the matter is that if we don't do something, we're going to be about as effective as the French in the future. Look at the lead story from newsweek..

»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10756810/site/newsweek/

"The central government has long viewed intellectual property not as an individual right, but as something to benefit the state."

The bottom line is, as 'wrong' as it is, the rest of the world, REALLY DOESN'T CARE about our stupid IP laws. Unless we bottle up, build a great big wall, and stop idea's from entering or leaving our country, we're going to have to come up with a better plan. And that means smarter students, more scientist, and creation of jobs in America. And that means we need 100mb or 1GB connections to every house in the country. We need jobs where education counts. We need to create factories that make things better and cheaper than the Chinese. But, all of that is 'long term thinking', which cannot ever happen with the corporate greed which rules America. Hell, Verizon is having trouble convincing investors to look beyond the next 3 quarters as they roll out fiber.

So, to sum it up. It's time to pack up and leave America, and create a workers paradise. I, for one, will volunteer my skills as chief commissar the state, working to ensure the proletariat are well treated. We can create a paradise to rival that of Xanadu.
radarman

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Re: The future is also the past

I believe both Cuba and North Korea bill themselves as "workers paradises". Perhaps you could start there?

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Grand Poohbear posted

"So, to sum it up. It's time to pack up and leave America, and create a workers paradise. I, for one, will volunteer my skills as chief commissar the state, working to ensure the proletariat are well treated. We can create a paradise to rival that of Xanadu."

Have you left yet?

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john262

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Oh yea, that's just what we need. Americans already watch way too much of that mind numbing crap called television. LOL. Television is such a vast wasteland and yet you propose shoving more of that crap down our throats via broadband? And you want it to be commercial free? The problem with that is that more often than not the commercials are more entertaining than the programs are.

I use my broadband connection to get away from television. I don't want it to turn into another incarnation of television, thank you very much.

Fatal Vector

join:2005-11-26

Actually


It's not so much that it's endlessly repeating mind numbing crap, it's just mainly used to eat up time when one would be otherwise bored out of ones mind with nothing else to do.

And, there are a few jems in the muck, Like La Femme Nikita, Babylon 5, The Shield, etc. Sadly though, not enough. The rest is just AMC, TBS, TNT, Bravo, and the rest repeating the same movies, over and over, night after night, day after day. I mean, how many times can you repeat The Sands of Iwo Jima, or, Forrest Gump, or, the Matrix, Or, US Marshalls, or,....AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

You get the picture...

footballdude
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said by G_Poobah See Profile :

Guess what, mankind survived for 5,000 years without copyrights. It's a crime against humanity to lock away all those productions, all that knowledge to feed the greed. 7 year copyrights, then it's in the public domain.
I usually view your posts with a fair amount of disdain (no offense), but I'm in 100 percent agreement here.

said by G_Poobah See Profile :

I'm sure we can find enough scientists to make our own, better weapons, and turn washington into a smoldering waste pile (well, more of a smoldering waste pile than it already is).
And now I'm starting to worry that I agreed with you earlier.:(
noogoo

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said by G_Poobah See Profile :

7 year copyrights, then it's in the public domain. THAT's what will make the country great again, not 100 year+ copyrights.
Or copyright limits based on profit. What would be a fair profit? You can start with (the current year limit) x (hours in a year) x (minimum wage rate per hour). If the government thinks minimum wage is enough to live on, why not use minimum wage to value time?
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Content?

Unfortunately, you cannot ignore caps, capacity and deployment. We won't see innovation happen until those problems are solved. (Maybe we should look at the internet in South Korea and see what they are doing)

On the other hand, I believe that there will not be truly innovative broadband content. When innovation occurs we will move beyond content to interactive networking.

ss4vegito7

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Free LIVE TV

We should be able to view free live tv over our broadband connections.

I'm talking CNN, Comedy Central, MTV, Discovery Channel.... u get the point.
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CSU

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Re: Free LIVE TV

I don't get why we should have to pay twice for a product like cnn. If I pay for cnn TV, then why should I have to pay for web content as well? I'm not paying double for the same content.

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Re: Free LIVE TV

said by CSU See Profile :

I don't get why we should have to pay twice for a product like cnn. If I pay for cnn TV, then why should I have to pay for web content as well? I'm not paying double for the same content.
For exactly the same reason you pay to see a movie in a theathre, then you pay to rent it from the video store, or pay for it again on pay per view.

The biggest difference is "on demand". You pay for a 24/7 live feed of CNN, and unless you have a DVR/Tivo which can usually rewind the last hour on the channel you have been watching, when a show or news item has passed the screen, you are either going to have to wait till the show it again, or find an alternative source.

I haven't tried CNN's new newsfeature, but I believe the paid version of their videostreams contain streams that you don't always see on television.

Example: You can probably see the live feed from the supreme court nominee hearings continuesly (of course you can THAT on c-span as well) whereas CNN will break away for commercials or to reflect on what was said earlier. On breaking news issues, you probably get to choose from a number of feeds. I remember that in the very first days of the war, I had three live feeds running on my PC (all free by the way) from both American and International TV stations that had an embedded reporter in a tank somewhere, racing across the desert and sometimes seeing live fights and all that. I would imagine that CNN's pipeline service has the option to select a few newsstreams of different camera setups so you can follow multiple stories at the same time, etc, etc.....

And its for that kind of service you pay for. You don't have to go online and get some of these feeds, eventually the most important ones will come by at CNN tv
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Virtual tours are a good thing

said by the article :

(...) Shouldn't there be something more? (...) Virtual tours? (...)
The motto of today's consumer is "instant gratification". And that includes instant information. Say, a couple are in the market to buy a home. They happen to drive by a house that's for sale, and they want to instantly know what the place looks like from the inside, without having to get out of the car, or to wait for their Realtor to make an appointment etc. Luckily, the listing agent has the URL of the virtual tour for that house plastered all over the for sale sign in the front yard, so all John and Suzy Homebuyer have to do is to whip out their trusty old iPaq and start surfing. Yep, we like it. Now where do we sign?

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Content Being Impeded by Draconian IP system

IP as intellectual property, otherwise known as patents and copyrights.

Copyrights aren't required to be renewed (haven't since '76) so there are thousands of orphaned works with no/not enough commercial value to put online. Of course this determination is made by stodgy CEO types who view anything IP related as theirs and theirs alone. Fair use isn't in their vocabulary. Corporate Copyrights last for 95 years! Corporations come and go far faster than that, leaving no public record of who 'owns' the IP after the company's assets are sold off. Indeed, even the biggest corporations get locked down in litigation over IP and corporate dissolutions and mergers. See IBM vs SCO lawsuits. Darl McBride is an unwitting poster-child for drastic IP reform. Thats whats needed. Drastic reform of a completely broken system.
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Virtual..

Government? Virtual Education?
Virtual History? Virtual Mega Machines?

I want info. Lots. Overwhleming info. Let me filter it. let jeopardy look like a silly game show.

Enough virtual trading of files an music. How about virtual farts? Virtual funerals. I am so sad.

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Why not terrestrial?

Handheld terrestrial TV tuners are so small now I can't see why they don't just add that to the phone instead of trying to cram subscription content over the ether.

If people won't watch "free" TV on their phones, why do they think they will pay for it?

If somone could cram a MPEG decoder into a phone for terrestrial DTV watching on your phone, then I would say they have something there. (With a jack for those Sony Glasstron like eyepiece displays)

As John Dvorak usually sez, porn drives new distribution methods. If people won't watch porn on their phones, then nothing will work.

Anonymous
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I'd like to see...

...more porn. That's about it.

lupinia
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Re: I'd like to see...

How about more innovative porn, instead of the same stupid poses on every single site?

Fatal Vector

join:2005-11-26

Unfortunately


Sex is sex. What's to innovate? Most of the porno makers simply want to make it as cheap as they can and sell it for as much as they can. The only innovation might be if they actually had a plot or story line that made sense without the "actors" groping each other every 5 seconds and women who really aren't into what they are doing grunting "oh yeah, baby". Far as porn goes, you's think you'd get something for your $30 for a DVD or tape, wouldn't you?

Of course, tell that to the Mob. I'm sure they'll be glad to get bruno to knock you around a bit.

Persona
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P2P

Hey, it's all about sharing video & audio. True on demand...being liberated from schedules - leaving commercials for other people to watch (yeah I know - who pays??). And I want more - lectures - true global programing - being free of the CRTC (Canadian Regulators). Watching obscure cinema that I used to read about/hear about, but could never find.

Ncc1701-E

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What'd Id like to see in 5 years

Teleporters... Must have teleporters... even if it takes a half hour to get from here to there, beats 2.5 hours on the orange crush in So. Cal. AND THAT'S only if no one's an idiot that day and causes an accident.

SRFireside

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Re: What'd Id like to see in 5 years

Transporter via Internet. I can see it now...

|Firewall has detected Joe Schmoe trying to access your system. Do you accept?|

|Failed to receive all packets of Joe Schmoe|

Joe: "My butt!! What happened to my butt?!?!?"

thender2
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There is something it is for.

quote:
Not to be a killjoy, but is regurgitated television and on-line calendars really the best we can do with our 1-30Mbps broadband connections? Shouldn't there be something more?
Downloading DVDs, music, and games off of usenet can be quite the bandwidth hog.
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chaser7016

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Health care technological innovations, such as the digital toilet that after user is done, the toilet analyzes specimen and sends the analysis to your doctor. Any irregularities the doctor sends you an email to schedule a physical!

SRFireside

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Houston, TX

Re: ....

That's... interesting. But how about we take it a step in another direction? Two way web conferencing with your doctor that would include transmission of visual aides like the X-rays you had made in the last appointment or a 3D model of that next surgery you need? Live streams of operations being done transmitted to medical students, along with data from the monitoring equipment? How about a process where you can take your own blood sample and the data is sent to the lab via web? Lots of possibilities in this area.


Fatal Vector

join:2005-11-26

Hell


They cant even innovate with regular movies (you notice how lately it's been mostly lame re makes of re makes?), or, TV (nothing but repeats of stupid sitcoms like friends, seinfeld, etc. You's think the US was mainly populated with morons. OOPS! My bad. It IS. I forgot).Bottom line is what makes IPTV any different? It will just be another wasteland of the same old crap being repeated over and over and over for the Joe box of rocks sheeple. The only real difference is that the suckers will have to pay for it. OOPS! My bad, they allready do.
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