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join:2006-07-24 West Hartford, CT | come to my town FioS, please come to my town. I'll give you a cold one to chill with. | |
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 |   ptrowski Got Helix? Premium join:2005-03-14 Putnam, CT clubs: | Re: come to my town Hell I am right on the RI border...Just a few more miles.... | |
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| Re: come to my town said by ptrowski :Hell I am right on the RI border...Just a few more miles.... I'm less than a mile from Verizon's area (I'm in AT&T Uverse Land). Come on contractors, just keep digging a little bit further south. | |
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| Re: come to my town I moved 2 months before Fios went live at my old place. And now I'm in a UVerse hole, they've stopped 1/2 mile north of me, and started another segment about a mile south of me, working South from there naturally. At the moment, they have no plans to fill the hole. -- Intel Q6600 @3400Mhz/GA-EP35-DS3P/2x 2048Mb G.Skill/Seagate 750.10/EVGA 8800GT's SLI/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler | |
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join:2008-04-26 Madera, CA | I sure wish Verizon would come to this town or even Uverse would come to this town. | |
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join:2004-08-07 New York, NY
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| It all comes down to price.... While the majority of the people on this website would chose Verizon for the higher speeds, that is simply not the priority for the rest of the country. 9+ out of 10 people would chose a cheaper option (for instance a 768k connection) versus a 100Mbps connection. There is a reason the fastest growing tier for both cable operators and (DSL) telcos is the "light" tier (generally 768k). I would suspect that unless Verizon wanted to lose money on a rollout, ATT would likely win more customers in a greenfield area simply because they can offer cheaper service without losing (as much, if any) money. Uverse is far cheaper to deploy than FIOS, and that means cheaper prices for customers (unless VZ takes a loss per sub). -- If history teaches us anything, it teaches that simple-minded appeasement or wishful thinking about our adversaries is folly. -Ronald Reagan-
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join:2001-08-27 Hattiesburg, MS | Re: It all comes down to price.... I agree. The typical DSLR reader represents a very small portion of the market. I would think if Verizon crossed the line that AT&T would do the same in those markets. Since U-Verse is IP based it doesn't have to be constrained to copper plant. | |
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join:2001-01-03 Chicago, IL | Currently paying $14.99 for 3 megabits which is ok for the price but it's still to slow to upload at 512kbps.
Hell we all should be seeing 25mbps for $25 by now or better. | |
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| Re: It all comes down to price.... said by XBL2007 :Currently paying $14.99 for 3 megabits which is ok for the price but it's still to slow to upload at 512kbps. Hell we all should be seeing 25mbps for $25 by now or better. Where in Chicago can you get 3mb's for $14.99? Im paying like 5 times that right now for 6mb's with Comcast. I don't care about uploads, in the past year or so I was just upgraded to 1mb but for the longest I had 384k. | |
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join:2007-12-27 Columbus, OH clubs: | You've seen uptake on the Basic DSL packages for one main reason. Thats the level of service AT&T pushes when they talk about bundling for 75 or 99. | |
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| Re: It all comes down to price.... said by OSUGoose :You've seen uptake on the Basic DSL packages for one main reason. Thats the level of service AT&T pushes when they talk about bundling for 75 or 99. No, the "light" tiers are offered as stand alone product by most providers. The only requirement most providers have with the light tiers is that you sign a 12 month (or greater) term to get them. -- If history teaches us anything, it teaches that simple-minded appeasement or wishful thinking about our adversaries is folly. -Ronald Reagan-
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| Re: It all comes down to price.... said by OSUGoose :No, i was refering to their popularity, not offering. Every at&t ad you see Talks about bundling home phone, internet and tv or wireless for 75 or 99/mo. Jo Consumer calls in to switch from cable, and says i want that 75 or 99 bundle deal, and i bet most reps dont say but thats for our cheepest dsl speed, for 5 or 10 bucks more a month you can double or tripple ur speed. Same with Time Warner's $99 triple play or the 3 for $29 each promos they have going. | |
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join:2006-04-19 St Catharines, ON
| said by wifi4milez :While the majority of the people on this website would chose Verizon for the higher speeds, that is simply not the priority for the rest of the country. 9+ out of 10 people would chose a cheaper option (for instance a 768k connection) versus a 100Mbps connection. There is a reason the fastest growing tier for both cable operators and (DSL) telcos is the "light" tier (generally 768k). I would suspect that unless Verizon wanted to lose money on a rollout, ATT would likely win more customers in a greenfield area simply because they can offer cheaper service without losing (as much, if any) money. Uverse is far cheaper to deploy than FIOS, and that means cheaper prices for customers (unless VZ takes a loss per sub). How do you know that? Why do ISP's always advertise speeds then? Me thinks you are trying to pass off your opinions as facts. | |
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| Re: It all comes down to price.... said by Warez_Zealot :said by wifi4milez :While the majority of the people on this website would chose Verizon for the higher speeds, that is simply not the priority for the rest of the country. 9+ out of 10 people would chose a cheaper option (for instance a 768k connection) versus a 100Mbps connection. There is a reason the fastest growing tier for both cable operators and (DSL) telcos is the "light" tier (generally 768k). I would suspect that unless Verizon wanted to lose money on a rollout, ATT would likely win more customers in a greenfield area simply because they can offer cheaper service without losing (as much, if any) money. Uverse is far cheaper to deploy than FIOS, and that means cheaper prices for customers (unless VZ takes a loss per sub). How do you know that? Why do ISP's always advertise speeds then? Me thinks you are trying to pass off your opinions as facts. If you are asking me how I know what the fastest growing tier is, I suggest you do your own research if you dont believe me (its been mentioned/discussed multiple times). You can start right here on this very website in fact. If you are asking me how I know people prefer cheaper tiers, I suspect once you research what I just mentioned your answer will be fairly clear as well. -- If history teaches us anything, it teaches that simple-minded appeasement or wishful thinking about our adversaries is folly. -Ronald Reagan-
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Verizon, AT&T and even the MSO's will soon realize they can't squeeze their current customer base any longer to increase revenues, so they may expand into areas where they feel they can compete and gain ground against U-Verse or Qwest. | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: May be required to grow Kudos to Verizon for attempting to expand the Fiber footprint. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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join:2003-03-18 Beverly Hills, CA | Re: May be required to grow 35 for 5/2 45 for 15/2 and 55 for 30/5 or 65 for 15/15 is a pretty sweet deal imho. | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: May be required to grow I'd probably use 5/2, possibly 15/2. I don't even need faster than the 3008/512kbps I have now.. no reason for me to pay extra. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY
| I bet the only reason why Verizon built into ATT's POTS territory was to met the requirements of the Video Franchise agreement that states Verizon must provide TV to the entire town (just like the incumbant cable co does). From the TV aspect, the law does not see Verizon's telephone plant/assets/business. | |
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| I know where I am at in Northern IL/Metro Chicago, I see the white poles with orange caps (the buried fiber markers) all over. Most of them are noted Ameritech/SBC/AT&T (depends on how old they are), but I have definitely noted at least a couple of fiber routes where the orange caps are noted with MCI, which I believe Verizon owns now? I could be mistaken about Verizon having bought MCI, but not about the buried fiber markers noted MCI around my area.
So I guess my point here is, if a Verizon company's fiber is already around, would Verizon consider those areas for deployment as well?
At the same time, though, doesn't Verizon still have a decently sized current customer base that FiOS is yet to reach? Why not concentrate on finishing the current job before starting to branch out onto new turf? | |
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| Re: May be required to grow said by MattE :MCI is now Verizon Business, so you're probably out of luck. It's not like they can just tap into the fiber run on your road unfortunately. There is a lot of back-end infrastructure required to support B/GPON. Yup, our old Frame sites that used to be on MCI are now on Verizon Business MPLS or Sprint. | |
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join:2006-08-24 Schenectady, NY | When AT&T and Verizon Compete... Cable loses. | |
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| Cherry Picking.. It would be nice if Verizon brought FiOS to all of their markets first before venturing into an AT&T market.
And before anyone says anything, I'm in an AT&T area - so it's not like I'm attacking because FiOS isn't available to me. -- www.rr.cx | YourIP.US | |
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| this cherry picking whining needs to stop. if companies weren't worried about their bottom line and weren't worried if they'd ever see their really expensive investment turn a profit, then they would methodically start deployin in every town. since many companies are generally run by people that understand business and money, they pick towns that MAKE SENSE, like towns that tend to be/have: few MDUs, little underground service, fairly dense population, and others.
i'd love to have fios, but i'm keeping my expectation realistic and don't whine like baby or complain like a little brat. | |
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| Re: Cherry Picking.. said by cornelius785 :this cherry picking whining needs to stop. if companies weren't worried about their bottom line and weren't worried if they'd ever see their really expensive investment turn a profit, then they would methodically start deployin in every town. since many companies are generally run by people that understand business and money, they pick towns that MAKE SENSE, like towns that tend to be/have: few MDUs, little underground service, fairly dense population, and others. i'd love to have fios, but i'm keeping my expectation realistic and don't whine like baby or complain like a little brat. We'll stop whining about cherry picking, when Corporate America stops whining. | |
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| said by cornelius785 :this cherry picking whining needs to stop. if companies weren't worried about their bottom line and weren't worried if they'd ever see their really expensive investment turn a profit, then they would methodically start deployin in every town. since many companies are generally run by people that understand business and money, they pick towns that MAKE SENSE, like towns that tend to be/have: few MDUs, little underground service, fairly dense population, and others. i'd love to have fios, but i'm keeping my expectation realistic and don't whine like baby or complain like a little brat. I bet this was a case of where the franchise agreement requires Verizon to provide TV to the entire municipality, same territory and converage requirements as the incumbant cable co. The only way for Verizon to meet this legal requirement is to wire the entire municipality. The law sees and treats Verizon FIOS TV just like any other cable company, not as POTS provider. | |
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| Re: Cherry Picking.. Even within areas where FIOS is offered, Verizon selects areas where is it "cheaper" to deploy and where they can expect to make more money. I live in Washington DC and FIOS is not offered where I live now nor where I use to live. Less than 10 blocks away, its offered. I've checked and both locations are still several years away from getting FIOS while they deploy to areas with less cost and better expected returns. | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY edit: June 27th, @02:43PM
| Re: Cherry Picking.. But DC and Montgomery County are 2 different municipalities. | |
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 |   sivran God Save The Suite Premium join:2003-09-15 Arlington, TX clubs: | Cherry picking? HA! They brought FiOS to the po' folks of Wylie, TX. | |
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| Re: Cherry Picking.. said by sivran :Cherry picking? HA! They brought FiOS to the po' folks of Wylie, TX. because sometimes you gotta go thru poor areas to get to the rich ones. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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| said by Rob :It would be nice if Verizon brought FiOS to all of their markets first before venturing into an AT&T market. And before anyone says anything, I'm in an AT&T area - so it's not like I'm attacking because FiOS isn't available to me. I bet the only reason why Verizon built FIOS lines in ATT territory was to met the requirements of the Video Franchise Agreement that states Verizon must provide TV to the entire town (just like the incumbant cable co does). From the TV aspect, the law does not see Verizon's telephone plant/assets/business. | |
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| ROI I can't really blame Verizon if they want to deploy Fios in areas in which they have forecasted they will receive the quickest return on their infrastructure investment. So yeah, please come to Troy, MI.  | |
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| Re: ROI Hey, forget Troy, MI. Come to Rialto, CA. Now!  | |
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join:2004-04-24 Floral Park, NY
| this is good news perhaps this will convince the remaining big(X-BOC's) that investment in upgrading the last mile is worthwhile. how else will the price of the equipment come down if others don't jump onto last mile fiber infrastructure?
it's been 4 years and there have been some cost reductions but other carriers have not jumped on-board to any significant degree..
now there is an extra incentive to get others to build fttp/fttc networks that are REALLY robust 50mbit+ networks. build into others' backyards and you'll see some fireworks! | |
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| It's a start Ever since AT&T was broken up, this was supposed to happen. However every carrier probably colluded to stick with what was given them and continue the game until the regulatory environments allowed the T1000 to reassemble itself.
However, what is now different is that Verizon and AT&T will most likely never be allowed to merge into the Omnipotent AT&T so knowing that, they will probably no longer be friends and begin to chip away where it makes sense.
In the case of FIOS I would expect towns divided by AT&T/Verizon to see deployments across the lines one way or the other at the requests of the cities. -- Mac Chatter »www.macchatter.net | |
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| Re: It's a start said by NOCMan :Ever since AT&T was broken up, this was supposed to happen. However every carrier probably colluded to stick with what was given them and continue the game until the regulatory environments allowed the T1000 to reassemble itself. However, what is now different is that Verizon and AT&T will most likely never be allowed to merge into the Omnipotent AT&T so knowing that, they will probably no longer be friends and begin to chip away where it makes sense. In the case of FIOS I would expect towns divided by AT&T/Verizon to see deployments across the lines one way or the other at the requests of the cities. I think Verizon is trying to put pressure on AT&T to improve their service in AT&T's footprint. AT&T's weak offerings have done poorly against cable compared to Verizon's results. AT&T upgrading their service would force cable to upgrade nationwide, but I guess AT&T doesn't see it that way. | |
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| Re: It's a start Why would Verizon care about what AT&T does in areas where they don't share territory or at least closely border each other? Why would Verizon care about AT&T competing with cable? Vierizon can compete with cable by itself. Verizon surely would be happy to let cable providers limp along at 10 Mbps or lower as long as possible. | |
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| Re: It's a start said by rcdailey :Why would Verizon care about what AT&T does in areas where they don't share territory or at least closely border each other? Why would Verizon care about AT&T competing with cable? Vierizon can compete with cable by itself. Verizon surely would be happy to let cable providers limp along at 10 Mbps or lower as long as possible. Exactly. AT&T and Verizon don't compete. I think this Texas competing thing is just an accident that was created by 2 different telcos serving one half of the same town (north side is ATT, south side is Verizon for example), so when Verizon goes to the municipality and asks for a franchise agreement and asks to have to only provide TV to its own Central Office, the town says "No can do, we can't give you different terms than the incumbent cable company or they will sue." | |
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| I hope that they can blanket Silicon Valley with their fiber and go head to head against comcast and uverse. That will make the valley truly 'high tech', and I am pretty sure just about everyone here will jump on FiOS the first chance they get.
It's a shame that the so called 'silicon valley' only have crap'ol 6mb adsl (not even adsl2), uverse and the crappy comcast cable. | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY
| Re: I hope that said by danza_ :It's a shame that the so called 'silicon valley' only have crap'ol 6mb adsl (not even adsl2), uverse and the crappy comcast cable. Then start a dotcom and get an OC-3 payed by your dotcom/employer/"company your the CEO of" to your house for "telecommuting"  | |
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| go Time Warner I'll still just stay with my Time Warner. Don't have to worry about contracts unlike ATT and Verizon you have to. I just don't trust verizon becuase of what they have done in the past to there customer base by signing them into contracts and just screwing people over, not to mention the fact that there going into more areas when they still havn't finished deploying fios in there current areas.GO TIME WARNER! | |
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| basic tier dsl I have basic tier dsl through AT&T and I am an avid gamer, I've been playing COD4 online without any slowdown or glitches. Most people just assume they "need" so much more bandwidth to do the "bandwidth intensive" things that they do. And I admit that before trying the basic tier I thought I needed a lot more bandwidth than I actually do. | |
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Perhaps you should get the opinions of those you play with/against. What if you are not seeing the slowdown but they are? I see it all the time online. One person is lagging like crazy and it throws the whole game off... You would be surprised at how bandwidth intensive your activities really are at times. Spend some time capturing packets from your game console and see how much data you are transferring. | |
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| Yes, do it Verizon As an early adopter of broadband (anyone remember ISDN?) I tried it all. I work at home and do fairly large email attachment up and down loads. Nobody beats the phone companies as far as reliability is concerned. Im in ATT territory but would love the competition and option of Verizon fiber(cable is not a viable alternative for me because I cant tolerate we will come fix your problem in two days attitude). | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY
| Re: Sounds good to me This isn't about Verizon randomly somewhere putting FIOS. In the Texas examples its always in a town where Verizon owns 1 or more exchanges in town, but another telco such as ATT owns other exchanges in town. I bet the reason why Verizon wired out the entire town was because the franchise agreement requires them to wire the whole town exactly like the incumbent cable co had to do. | |
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