What Does Copyright Have To Do With Improving Broadband?FCC holds copyright panel, gives Paramount COO extra love... 08:54AM Thursday Sep 24 2009 by Karl Bodetags: legal · fcc · business · Op/EdAs we recently noted, one of the early problems with the FCC's national broadband plan is that consumers are under-represented at the table, something that's not particularly new in DC. That was evident again last week when the FCC held a national broadband workshop on copyright. What does copyright have to do with getting broadband out to the unserved public? Absolutely nothing, but as Techdirt notes, it was the perfect opportunity for Hollywood to push Uncle Sam on the implementation of piracy filters and "three strikes" penalties for P2P users: While the deck was mostly stacked in favor of the entertainment industry in terms of speakers, thankfully the FCC allowed Gigi Sohn of Public Knowledge to take part as well -- and she questioned whether the FCC even had any mandate over such issues and wondered why the hearing was even being held. However, beyond stacking the deck of speakers, it appears the FCC gave significant other beneficial treatment to entertainment industry speakers. Paramount's COO Frederick Huntsberry was given twice the time to speak as Gigi Sohn, a consumer advocate who's usually outnumbered 100 to 1 by telecom and/or Hollywood lobbyists at these events. It's ironic that an FCC that's priding itself on being transparent with this process wouldn't post an entertainment industry video on P2P use (containing nothing any twelve year old kid doesn't already know) on their website. Sohn's speech is here, in which she suggests several blasphemous ideas if you're a Hollywood executive: Some of these studies even suggest that online file-sharing does not effect sales, or that online file-sharers are more likely to buy entertainment products than those who do not engage in file-sharing, which suggests a positive, rather than negative, relationship between file-sharing and sales. Of course again you have to wonder why exactly protecting Hollywood's dying business models required a full FCC workshop, why Hollywood was treated differently than everyone else, and whether the FCC's really going to look at the entire wealth of opinions on copyright. Of course an under-represented public, preferential treatment to Hollywood, and a very narrow discussion of the evolution of copyright aren't particularly new. Related:- Google Voice Ban Is Clear Network Neutrality Violation
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  woody7 Premium join:2000-10-13 Torrance, CA | hmmmm..... Shills, plain and simple  -- BlooMe | |
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| FCC and Hollywood The more arts producers (music, movies, books, etc.) fight to keep their dying business model, the less I buy.
Over the last year I.... - spent $0.00 on music - went to see one movie, courtesy of gift certificates - bought zero DVD/Blu-ray movies
I refuse to turn to piracy. So I'm actually saving money, and refuse to fund an industry hell-bent on their own destruction.
I like the value video games offer, because they last longer than a movie, and some are quite interesting, and there's downloadable content. Although the game industry hasn't drastically improved its business model, it's a lot more cuddlier with modern technology than the alternative.
Dear Hollywood,
Boooo! Two thumbs down. Adapt to the changing times already, or face continued consumer revolt.
Sincerely, Me. | |
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| Re: FCC and Hollywood said by Tristan :The more arts producers (music, movies, books, etc.) fight to keep their dying business model, the less I buy. Over the last year I.... - spent $0.00 on music - went to see one movie, courtesy of gift certificates - bought zero DVD/Blu-ray movies ....... heh. I haven't made any purchases in those categories for well over 5 years, probably longer.
nor will I until the content industry changes it's business model (away from "sue 'em all" and DRM) or dies and is replaced. | |
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| Re: FCC and Hollywood said by nasadude :said by Tristan :Over the last year I.... - spent $0.00 on music - went to see one movie, courtesy of gift certificates - bought zero DVD/Blu-ray movies heh. I haven't made any purchases in those categories for well over 5 years, probably longer. I don't listen to alot of modern music, but I was buying iTunes certificates for my daughter. That stopped cold when those two ridiculous file-sharing verdicts came this year. I just can't and won't pay the modern-day mob. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- District of Columbia -- KJ7RL Test your Broadband connection today! -- »measurementlab.net/ | |
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join:2003-01-26 Gaithersburg, MD | Re: FCC and Hollywood I LOVE that in one sentence you type "...sneaking in your own snacks under your jacket or in its pockets" and then in the very next one you complain about folks acting immorally. Wow. | |
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| Re: FCC and Hollywood said by Desdinova :I LOVE that in one sentence you type "...sneaking in your own snacks under your jacket or in its pockets" and then in the very next one you complain about folks acting immorally. Wow. Wow indeed. The day that sneaking snacks into a movie theater is "immoral"... don't even get me started.
I'm depriving hard-working movie theater workers of my $5 popcorn purchase. The SHAME of it! | |
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| Re: FCC and Hollywood said by scholztec :said by Desdinova :I LOVE that in one sentence you type "...sneaking in your own snacks under your jacket or in its pockets" and then in the very next one you complain about folks acting immorally. Wow. Wow indeed. The day that sneaking snacks into a movie theater is "immoral"... don't even get me started. I'm depriving hard-working movie theater workers of my $5 popcorn purchase. The SHAME of it! Actually, unless things have changed since my wife worked in theaters, the theater does not see the $5-18 that you plop down to get in the door (well, except as advertising dollars), they make most of their expenses from you buying their overpriced garbage. So yes, in a way it is immoral and theft (although I do not recall a sign last time I went saying NOT to bring in stuff). -- I am not lost, I find myself every time. | |
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| "The day that sneaking snacks into a movie theater is "immoral"..."
In context with what NOVA_Guy posted ("I largely do not believe in supporting corrupt enterprises that actively engage in immoral activities"), my post makes complete sense. As I translate his statement, the basic gist is of his sentiment is, "the film industry is corrupt and is immoral in its practices of gouging folks unfairly. My response to this is to, um, break the rules myself."
So yeah, I see some contradictions there.
Sneaking snacks in doesn't affect the film industry one bit. What it DOES do is take money away from is the theatre itself. Around 90% of every ticket sold over the first two weeks goes straight to the distributor and the folks who made the film. 10% goes to the theatre who can only exist as a business by selling those $8 bags of popcorn. I've worked as a projectionist for almost thirty years and every theatre I've ever been in clearly states no outside food or drink (if they didn't folks wouldn't have to "sneak" them in, now would they?)
Does this mean that every one who sees a movie should buck up and pay for those snacks, that there's some implied obligation to buy anything at all other than a ticket? Not at all. But to intentionally violate the terms of service for personal gain isn't too far off from the immorality he seemed to be railing against.
You wanna see the movie on your terms? Fine, stay at home and watch the DVD and mack on microwave popcorn and Papa John's pizza. You wanna see it at the theatre? Then follow the rules. That's all I'm sayin'. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |   funchords Hello Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Washington, DC | Re: FCC and Hollywood $5 soda drinks or popcorn bags are moral?
I haven't sneaked anything into a theater in many years, but this conversation is making me rethink my behavior! | |
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join:2003-01-26 Gaithersburg, MD | Re: FCC and Hollywood "$5 soda drinks or popcorn bags are moral?"
It is when I come down from the booth and pop the corn. Pure nirvana with butter and salt!  | |
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| If Hollywood,RIAA,MPAA,etc put "piracy" filters,3 strikes your out,and other krap laws on the way we use the internet it will hurt them more in the end.I will stop buying any new dvd's except for the occasional TVshow boxset I might buy to support a show I like from being cancelled.I will not go to a theater as well.I will totatally boycott them to the best of my ability.I have stopped buying any music from any artis/label with the RIAA.I boycott all corporate labels and bands and buy only small independent and local music.
I am sure that folks out there will in fact hurt Hollywood.To many folks out there are getting educated to computers and many will be angry enough to join a shutdown hollywood boycott of the industry.it could happen. | |
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| Hey I download movies But I also buy a lot of movies and go to the movies constantly. About 25% of my movies I own were downloaded at one point. If the movie is good I go out and buy it to add to my collection. 500 and counting still, but these morons make me not want to buy their movies. I can tell you that atleast 150 movies on my shelf would have never been bought if I did not download them first.
What are they thinking, really. There has to be another reason why they want this. Personally I think they want any type of media gone from the internet. They get in bed with cable ISP's and add bandwidth caps. They buy governments to criminalize downloading. In the end they are just alienating their own customers. | |
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| Re: Hollyweird wields power thru money and news control said by TKJunkMail :you have to wonder why exactly protecting Hollywood's dying business models required a full FCC workshop, why Hollywood was treated differently than everyone else They are treated differently because they contribute 100's of millions of $s to politicians and then raise even more thru fund raisers. They also command and control news outlets thru their corporate parents. Politicians get elected thru both massive amounts of money and also thru control of the media - both of which Hollyweird has in abundance. Welcome to the real world. Thank you, Captain Obvious, and your astute insight into the mysterious workings of a broken system. -- The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell | |
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| Re: Hollyweird wields power thru money and news control Yeah, but the sad thing is most Americans snickered at the Soviet propaganda machine(s), looking down at those uninformed Russians. But in the USA, we have the same thing, but instead of controlled by the gov't, it is controlled by corporate media. Yay!!! | |
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| Re: Hollyweird wields power thru money and news control said by SLD :Yeah, but the sad thing is most Americans snickered at the Soviet propaganda machine(s), looking down at those uninformed Russians. But in the USA, we have the same thing, but instead of controlled by the gov't, it is controlled by corporate media. Yay!!! Yes: it's all a lovely combination of Orwell and Huxley. =) -- The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell | |
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| Re: Hollyweird wields power thru money and news control said by TKJunkMail :Politicians get elected thru both massive amounts of money and also thru control of the media - both of which Hollyweird has in abundance. Welcome to the real world. So the moral of the story is, we should all just give it up? -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- District of Columbia -- KJ7RL Test your Broadband connection today! -- »measurementlab.net/ | |
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| Re: Hollyweird wields power thru money and news control said by funchords :said by TKJunkMail :Politicians get elected thru both massive amounts of money and also thru control of the media - both of which Hollyweird has in abundance. Welcome to the real world. So the moral of the story is, we should all just give it up? Give up; don't give up. The point is what you do won't matter to those in charge. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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| well ya see its like this see we had to let the moron hollywood people show how retarded they are, how outdated they are , and how they are trying to control and screw all the planet, thats how it affects broadband.
Now we can begin to dismantle , destroy and deviate form there path of NON enlightenment, to the sheer joy of the masses. One day it will all be free. If you are a true artist your work will be given freely to share with all the world. Oh and Jim kirk will actually fall off that cliff in the new reality so we don't get star trek. | |
|   doc69 Premium join:2004-08-01 USA | Yep! I still buy music but i haven't been to a movie since 1996. | |
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| It all has to do.. with incentives from the entertainment industry to the FCC under the table. I'm not sure if it's cash, drugs, or hookers. It's not surprising that they get something for all the incentives they funnel into the FCC. After all they are getting their shills into positions in the FCC, so it's natural that the FCC would kiss their ****. | |
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| Re: It all has to do.. said by old_wiz_60 :with incentives from the entertainment industry to the FCC under the table. Agreed but none of that is ever going to improve broadband. | |
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1 edit | Obvious what copyright has to do with improving broadband Copyright infringers -- in particular, P2Pers -- want faster broadband and no caps so that they can engage in criminal activity more easily. They also know quite well that their activities degrade the performance of the Internet for others. So, copyright infringement obviously has plenty to do with improving broadband. If it were stopped, we'd instantly increase the available capacity of the Net at least fivefold. | |
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