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(old news - 01:02PM Friday Mar 24 2006)
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Back in February, we pointed out how one Minnesota man was blaming Vonage for being put on hold by 911, despite no actual evidence Vonage did anything wrong, or that the Vonage systems were to blame. "I called 911 using Vonage broadband and they put us on hold," said the man at the time, citing no further specifics. This same man, according to the KSTP story linked above, had to be handcuffed because he kept running back into the house to salvage his mp3 loaded PC.

For whatever reason, the story was re-born yesterday and spread like wildfire; see Inquirer, Slashdot, RealTechNews, Digg, and more. This of course, led to more cries about how VoIP 911 was a flawed technology, despite no evidence the failure was VoIP specific. Says the website "Consumer Affairs":
"The incident has raised anew the question of how VoIP services, which provide telephone services over the Internet, interface with community 911 emergency services systems."
Despite endless evidence of instances where cellular and traditional 911 systems have failed, VoIP 911 has received far more negative press. Last May, a mother blamed Vonage 911 service for her baby's death, despite the fact Vonage informed local news outlets that the 911 call in question went through - twice. That didn't seem to matter. This and other similar reports created an uproar, and VoIP 911 became a hot political issue.

In response, States started suing Vonage, and the FCC began making strange demands of the VoIP industry. All based on a series of similar stories with little supporting evidence. Was it human error? Was it VoIP 911? Which call center dropped the ball? Did the user test his/her service?

Yes, VoIP 911 has kinks to work out. But shouldn't the debate over the technological shortcomings of VoIP 911 be a little more grounded in fact?

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Here we go again....

And the guy also defied police orders and went back into the house, very sketchy article.
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He was trying to save his pr0n collection, not his MP3's.
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He was trying to save his pr0n collection, not his MP3's.
Ha! Most likely that was it, as he would not go and get the MP3's as he would have been worried about the RIAA...
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No material goods are worth your life. I feel bad that this guy lost his stuff, but seriously, what an idiot! If your house is burning you make sure your family and pets are safe and then get out of the way. Everything else can be replaced.
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No material goods are worth your life. I feel bad that this guy lost his stuff, but seriously, what an idiot! If your house is burning you make sure your family and pets are safe and then get out of the way. Everything else can be replaced.
I dunno, I store a lot of my photos on my computers. Id want to save those. As time goes by, that will be even more common a wish than wanting to save a paper photo album...

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No material goods are worth your life. I feel bad that this guy lost his stuff, but seriously, what an idiot! If your house is burning you make sure your family and pets are safe and then get out of the way. Everything else can be replaced.
I dunno, I store a lot of my photos on my computers. Id want to save those. As time goes by, that will be even more common a wish than wanting to save a paper photo album...

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If that is your main concern then do periodic DVD or hard drive backups. As much sentimental value as pictures have, your life (and the life of rescuers) is more important.
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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

No material goods are worth your life. I feel bad that this guy lost his stuff, but seriously, what an idiot! If your house is burning you make sure your family and pets are safe and then get out of the way. Everything else can be replaced.
I dunno, I store a lot of my photos on my computers. Id want to save those. As time goes by, that will be even more common a wish than wanting to save a paper photo album...

-tom
If that is your main concern then do periodic DVD or hard drive backups. As much sentimental value as pictures have, your life (and the life of rescuers) is more important.
I don't really have the money to engage Iron Mountain for my offsite backup needs.

All I'm saying is, my inclination to save a computer would have the same basis as that of the person that runs back into the house to save their photo album. Not a rational act, but do you really suggest to those people "you need to do periodic off-site backups of your family photo album". And, if you do, do the targets of that suggestion look at you like you've got two heads?

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said by nixen See Profile :

I don't really have the money to engage Iron Mountain for my offsite backup needs.

All I'm saying is, my inclination to save a computer would have the same basis as that of the person that runs back into the house to save their photo album. Not a rational act, but do you really suggest to those people "you need to do periodic off-site backups of your family photo album". And, if you do, do the targets of that suggestion look at you like you've got two heads?

-tom
You dont need to pay for offsite backups at all. I am simply suggesting that it ALWAYS a good idea to backup ALL your important files. My 200 gig, external Maxtor hard drive automatically does this on a weekly basis. You could also burn DVD's of your photos if you so desired and store them at work for instance (or a relatives!). Furthermore, using a service such as Orb does this for you, for free. These days its far more unlikely that a person, wont have at least a portion of their data backed up in one way or another. If pictures is all you are concerned about backing up then you can use (and share!) all your files with anyone, anytime, over the internet using a program like Shutterfly. You can even purchase all the pictures in paper or digital format if you lose the originals (like say, in a fire). Shutterfly will host all your pics for free assuming in fact, that you will by them.
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A safe deposit box at the local bank would do nicely.

All my pictures and music are backed up to DVD R, and stored in my safe deposit box, along with my passport, and vital documents like deeds, auto titles, etc.

Sure, the bank isn't fireproof, but the chances of both burning down is very remote.

Buying a fireproof storage box, and keeping it at a friends house is another option.

Either way, still hell of a lot smarter than running into a burning building for computer files.

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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

No material goods are worth your life. I feel bad that this guy lost his stuff, but seriously, what an idiot! If your house is burning you make sure your family and pets are safe and then get out of the way. Everything else can be replaced.
I dunno about that... if I lost my Bass Pig, I think I'd not want to exist anymore.. that is, prior to marrying and having kids... I can understand how important material possessions can be to some, who, without them, would find life utterly unbearable.
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I guess you have to fight fire with fire sometime to save your precious collection.
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It wasn't porn, it wasn't stolen MP3 music.. he was a composer and his work was on that computer.

he SHOULD have, if it was so important, was grabbed his animals, family, and computer and ran. In most house fires, I think you usually have at least a couple of minutes to get out.

Either way, cute to say it was porn, but maybe the locals know better because we are here to see and hear about it.

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Re: Here we go again....

Interesting update. Indeed that would have been something I would have taken a risk to save. I always suggest one of those $20 fire resistant lock boxes to my customers, they hold a lot of optical media and at least it gives you a shot at saving something. Of course you actually have to DO IT for it to work.
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How exactly did Vonage "prove" anything? Hate to say it, but, yes, Vonage and all VOIP need the same regulations phone companies do. It is hilarious people on BBR give these idiots (any VOIP co) high ratings yet gripe it doesn't work half the time. They had to send me 5 gizmos b4 it worked. I had to reconfigure my whole home network to figure it out. Does it go b4 or after the router? Which port should I set it on? etc, etc, etc. Maybe they should ONLY allow it to be sold to a person that signs a waiver?

Perhaps, Vonage shouldn't SELL its product to someone unless they pass a tech test. OR, JUST PRINT A LABEL SAYING "NOT FOR 911 CALLS IN MOST CASES!"

And, BBR, you are so slanted it is pathetic.

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said by rachelsfx See Profile :

How exactly did Vonage "prove" anything? Hate to say it, but, yes, Vonage and all VOIP need the same regulations phone companies do. It is hilarious people on BBR give these idiots high ratings yet grip it doesn't work half the time. They had to send me 5 gizmos b4 it worked. I had to reconfigure my whole home network to figure it out. Does it go b4 or after the router?

Perhaps, Vonage shouldn't SELL its product to someone unless they pass a tech test.

And, BBR, you are so slanted it is pathetic.
Gizmo's? Not a Vonage product. Setup? It's all on their site. "Grip all the time"? Oh, you mean gripe. And if you had to reconfigure your whole home network, etc then just like you said, they shouldn't have sold it to you I guess.
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How exactly did Vonage "prove" anything? Hate to say it, but, yes, Vonage and all VOIP need the same regulations phone companies do. It is hilarious people on BBR give these idiots high ratings yet grip it doesn't work half the time. They had to send me 5 gizmos b4 it worked. I had to reconfigure my whole home network to figure it out. Does it go b4 or after the router?

Perhaps, Vonage shouldn't SELL its product to someone unless they pass a tech test.

And, BBR, you are so slanted it is pathetic.
Gizmo's? Not a Vonage product. Setup? It's all on their site. "Grip all the time"? Oh, you mean gripe. And if you had to reconfigure your whole home network, etc then just like you said, they shouldn't have sold it to you I guess.
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They should make it simpler and more robust. My local cable company offers VoIP and the modem/VoIP are one unit that has a built-in battery to allow service during power failures.

If they only offer VoIP, their equipment should have and Ethernet IN (from internet) and Ethernet OUT (to Computer). This way it would be simpler for them to hard-wire any port forwarding and QoS needed to offer a reliable service. Heck, even include a battery for power failure. Put a warning label about installing a UPS for your DSL/cable modem and bingo...

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They should make it simpler and more robust. My local cable company offers VoIP and the modem/VoIP are one unit that has a built-in battery to allow service during power failures.

If they only offer VoIP, their equipment should have and Ethernet IN (from internet) and Ethernet OUT (to Computer). This way it would be simpler for them to hard-wire any port forwarding and QoS needed to offer a reliable service. Heck, even include a battery for power failure. Put a warning label about installing a UPS for your DSL/cable modem and bingo...

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Umm, they do.

It's called Internet (Ethernet In) and ports 1,2,3,4 (Ethernet Out).
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Naaaa! Just one output port... No messing around with the VoIP device for any reason. Nothing, period! Make sure it works when it ships and then no one can mess with it. If you have multiple ports on the device it means you will probably need to set up DMZ, port forwarding and play with UPnP for all your PCs to work the way you want them. If the customer wants to share the connection, let him purchase a router to set-up behind the VoIP device and let him mess around with it as much as he wants. I think it's safer that way.

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Naaaa! Just one output port... No messing around with the VoIP device for any reason. Nothing, period! Make sure it works when it ships and then no one can mess with it. If you have multiple ports on the device it means you will probably need to set up DMZ, port forwarding and play with UPnP for all your PCs to work the way you want them. If the customer wants to share the connection, let him purchase a router to set-up behind the VoIP device and let him mess around with it as much as he wants. I think it's safer that way.

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Umm, Ports 1,2,3,4 are all switched ports, so it doesn't matter WHICH port you plug into, it's all the same.
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My neighbor had a similar experience during a small house fire. I think the guy should be able to sue the cops since it is his right to into his burning house if he wanted to.

I think the moral is no VOIP for me until the 911 issue is totally resolved or keep a single $18 land line phone which is probably what i will do when i switch to FIOS and VOIP for our 2 lines.

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I think the guy should be able to sue the cops since it is his right to into his burning house if he wanted to.
No, it's not. Because, once he's inside, the firemen have to risk their lives to save his dumb ass. If he can be stopped before it gets that far, he will be.
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YEah and WHERE can you get a simple phone line for $18.00?! You obviously aren't saddld with Verizon? MINIMUM $$$ for a "simple" line are $40.00 before I even LIFT a telephone. For that I have 2 Vonage lines and all my calls. My cell phones have GPS 911 and if it comes to that I cen step outside and use them.
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Totally agree with you!...Besides; Did the guy had his Vonage line registered for 911 location?... As far as I'm concerned registration is mandatory.

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Welcome to the 21 century where we use cell phones. Always nice to have one around, they may come in handy at some point.

Sucks the guy couln't get his mp3's form his pc though.

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said by ptrowski See Profile :

And the guy also defied police orders and went back into the house, very sketchy article.
Well, you know how their slogan goes... "People do stupid things, like paying too much for phone service."

In this case it's more like "People do stupid things, like run back into a burning house to save their computer."

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Um...while he was on hold he should have hit speakerphone and grabbed his computer. This guy sounds like Homer Simpson. Doh!

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lol

I have to say this, I dont appreciate seeing Spin put into the news; the obvious slant is easily seen in the mods last sentence...eh, thought the front stories would be free of opinion and just "news"...

i think defying the piglice orders to go back into the house to get your PC is what many of us BBR readers would do...specially if your work is on that PC... i do audio mastering and creation stuff, so I prolly would of pushed the cops and fire man aside to get my PC!

*upon reading other articles in the post, it seems the the IP service had trouble in atleast one case, which was not being able to give the emergency call centers caller id-type info instantly: A spokeswoman for Vonage said her heart goes out to the family. She said the basic 911 service does work, but admits it needs work.

"We do expect to have a solution in place that allows people to call 911 and get their phone number and their location displayed on the dispatcher's screen before the end of the year," said Brooke Schulz(Vonage spokesperson) Granted this event took place in '05, still doesnt negate the fact that the service f'ed up the call, emergecy or no emergency...I think theres fact in peoples opinons of bad service from IP phones, Mr. Mod...hehe, lata...

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i think defying the piglice orders to go back into the house to get your PC is what many of us BBR readers would do...specially if your work is on that PC... i do audio mastering and creation stuff, so I prolly would of pushed the cops and fire man aside to get my PC!
Then you would be as dumb as this idiot. I seriously doubt most BBR members are stupid enough to go back into a burning house.
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I have to say this, I dont appreciate seeing Spin put into the news; the obvious slant is easily seen in the mods last sentence...eh, thought the front stories would be free of opinion and just "news"...
Pssst. It's labeled as "Op/Ed". That means Opinion/Editorial.
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I never even noticed that at the bottom before.
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said by Minister See Profile :

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I have to say this, I dont appreciate seeing Spin put into the news; the obvious slant is easily seen in the mods last sentence...eh, thought the front stories would be free of opinion and just "news"...
Pssst. It's labeled as "Op/Ed". That means Opinion/Editorial.
Actually, the particular section of BBR this is posted on is the "news" section, not OP/ED.
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fil

i think defying the piglice orders to go back into the house to get your PC is what many of us BBR readers would do...specially if your work is on that PC... i do audio mastering and creation stuff, so I prolly would of pushed the cops and fire man aside to get my PC!

Then in your case the fireman don't need to risk their life trying to save your life.

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So if you can't make it back out after defying their orders just to get your PC because *you* are not smart enough to backup offline or have a removable hard drive they should risk their lives trying to save you?

Edit: *You* meaning anyone dumb enough to risk their lives and others to rescue a computer.

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I have to say this, I dont appreciate seeing Spin put into the news; the obvious slant is easily seen in the mods last sentence...eh, thought the front stories would be free of opinion and just "news"...
You're right, news could never be slanted. Ever heard of Dan Rather?
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said by FiL See Profile :

i think defying the piglice orders to go back into the house to get your PC is what many of us BBR readers would do...specially if your work is on that PC... i do audio mastering and creation stuff, so I prolly would of pushed the cops and fire man aside to get my PC!
If what you do on your computer is more important than your life, why is the only copy in a burning house?

There will never be anything on my computer more important than my life. I do treasure the digital photos of my family and periodically I burn three DVDs and take them to work. If my house was on fire and my family was safe, other than yell at a neighbor to call 911, I'd watch it burn.

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And steals all his vintage ABBA records...

They did him a favor.
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can't say I'd run into a burning house but i'd be very sad if my computer was destroyed. Have a lot of important information and my life with my files though generally I back them up to a memory stick which fits in my pocket or around my neck.

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Re: And steals all his vintage ABBA records...

I think the sadness would end once that insurance check to buy the latest greatest is placed in your hand. You back up to a key chain drive like I do so no issues getting things back in order on a new machine.

You do insure all of your household items I hope?

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yea, guess Im an idiot...

When you assume to much, you make yourself like an ASS...*

Never said I jump through fire, but if I saw a clear path, why not? I mentioned, in joking manner, that I would. Go get a life lil feller.

Emergency personal took their time, why cant i have my time with the inferno?

haaaa.

*ehhh. Its posted as NEWS on the frontpage...

I thought OP ed's were done at the back of the newspaper? Stupid me!

to CaddyRojer, Check out how many home fire-related deaths occured in my area of MD, which Montgomery and Prince Georges County. Doesnt seem like the firemen are doing a gotdamn thing around here, so your right, in a way, not that they dont "need" to save me, its a question of if they want! Least thats what the neighborhoods think of the local fire departments...owned!

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to fil
to CaddyRojer, Check out how many home fire-related deaths occured in my area of MD, which Montgomery and Prince Georges County. Doesnt seem like the firemen are doing a gotdamn thing around here, so your right, in a way, not that they dont "need" to save me, its a question of if they want! Least thats what the neighborhoods think of the local fire departments...owned!

There are people getting killed by fire everyday in the us. 85% of the time it not the fire but the smoke is what kills. Just maybe the the fire dept knows more then the people in md about fires.
Another thing because there a clear path when you go in don't mean 10 seconds later it will be clear. I do some fire fighting training so i do know a little bit about fires.

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I will not depend on any VoIP phone system for anything serious at this time. POTS has gone to great lengths to assure their service is reliable. I remember back a several decades ago as a Army National Guardsmen I was patrolling a neighborhood that had been largely destroyed by a tornado. I heard a phone ring. Here was a phone sitting on a what was left of a kitchen counter in a home which was mostly destroyed. A lady came out of the basement of this house to answer it. I have aways regretted not having a camera to record this. To me this has always symbolised the reliability of POTS.
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i knew it

I always knew that Vonage would try this. First they blew up the levees then they caused global warming they raised gas prices. Damn you Vonage. Woo hoo Woo hoo hoo. Technick caused this too!!!!
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Don't forget the Vonage call to save the WTC that didn't go through. What about the Vonage call that would have convinced Saddam to peacefully leave Bagdad? It was too choppy and Saddam hung up! And remember the story about the NASA technician that knew about the hole in the space shuttle's wing while it was still in orbit? His Vonage call was misrouted to the NSA because of packet loss that dropped an "A" from the SIP call header. The NSA immediately contacted the MIB and although Mulder and Scully were alerted, they showed up just hours after he was abducted by Kang and Kodos. Damn you Vonage!

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Yes, VoIP 911 has kinks to work out. But shouldn't the debate over the technological shortcomings of VoIP 911 be a little more grounded in fact?
Quit trying to market it as replacement phone service over traditional POTS and QUIT OFFERING 911.

Big warning pages, mailed registred letters, etc. should be part of the sign up process for VOIP stating in big bold letters 911 IS NOT OFFERED AS PART OF THIS SERVICE! USE AT YOUR OWN PERIL AND RISK!

Too many people this is being marketed to do not understand it and probably should not have it any way.

VOIP is not POTS replacement there are risks involved and one of them is emergency services contact. Is your business, you and/or your family worth this risk ? ?

Use VOIP for non mission critical systems all you want. I think its fantastic that I can have a whole slew of numbers all over the world that people can reach me at thats local to them, and it all ends up where ever I decide to point it to. For that its great. Its not ready for Joe Consumer to replace his POTS service. It should be a secondary line for yakking on which I guess is the primary reason most consumers are getting it v. local numbers in far off places.
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Shark_615

join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON

Iam sure

I am confident that here in Canada or at least Ontario you get 911 on all POTS lines, service on or not.

This may have changed but why not enforce this across the states? That way youwill always have access to emergency services.

Ontario guy

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Re: Iam sure

This is not true. There are some rural locations at least around cottage country that I know of that do NOT have 911 service even on the POTS network.
gatzdon

join:2002-10-25
Lake Zurich, IL

No Darwin award for this guy

I guess this guy missed his big chance at a Darwin Award. Well, there's still plenty of time left to win one this year.

If you read all the stories linked, you will find they don't add up, many of them are biased (or at least a blurb based on another incomplete story).
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NobodyImportant

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Reduced to groundstate

Once again we enter into the purpose of modern media. I find it is a common occurrence in many cultures (primarily western, but not always the case) where individuals find themselves needing to assign some measure of blame for their misfortunes.Enter "The evil company". Case in point. I buy hot coffee. I spill hot coffee. I scald myself. In another time, I would simply be laughed at, and told to change my pants to rid myself of the offending stain.

Nowadays I sue McRestaraunt for millions.
In this scenario, let us assume that the fault of the fire is not on the Minnesota fellow, but on perhaps a faulty wiring issue. His house burns down as a result. Does the wiring get called into question? Does the rodent responsible for chewing through the electrical conduit get dragged into court? Do Electricians across the nation get regulated to include "Super-fire-destroying lasers" on all of their work? (no, I do not know how a laser would 'Destroy' a fire. Pay attention)

No. That would be silly.

It's his phone company's fault. His house burned down because Vonage came to his house, busted down his door, stole his Abba records, and set fire to the place.

Bad things happen. Sometimes they even happen to people who don't deserve it. We don't need to take the blame upon ourselves, but we do need to address issues rationally. Vonage is no more responsible for the loss of his MP3's, than McRestaraunt is responsible for the coffee stain on my car's driver's seat. 911 is not perfect. It can't be. It CAN be improved. It SHOULD be improved. VoIP as a technology should not be condemned for a single mistake involving a series of events that statistically can happen to anyone, anywhere.

Not even if it furthers your media career.

winky
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Saint Louis, MO

Re: Reduced to groundstate

OH. Well if you're going to introduce logic and systematic thinking into this, I and the voices in my head will just have to bid you good day sir.
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Regular 911 Goes Un-Answered !!

Thousands of calls to Chattanooga's 911 call center have been going unanswered, according to records examined after a caller was unable to report a kitchen fire because three of four dispatchers were taking breaks at the same time.

Stacey Hunter and her family members called 911 from her home phone and cellular phones Monday afternoon when the fire broke out, but the calls went unanswered. Finally, Artterius Bonds, and 14-year-old nephew, Quayshaune Fountain, ended up running a half mile to get help from the fire station. No one was hurt.

"If they hadn't gone running, my house would have completely burned up," Hunter, 34, said as she stood in her scorched kitchen.

Chattanooga Police Chief Steve Parks, who oversees employees of the Hamilton County Emergency Communications District, said the department was responsible for the unanswered calls.

One dispatcher was taking calls and three others working the shift were taking a break, the chief said. He described the situation as an unacceptable failure of the 911 system.

But records indicate the problem is more widespread.

During one 10-month period, from January to October 2005, about 27,000 calls to city dispatchers at the 911 center went unanswered, police spokesman Tetzell Tillery said. Last month 20 percent — about 2,000 — of more than 10,650 calls placed were not answered, he said.

Officials said the count includes numerous caller hang-ups and repeated calls.

On Monday, records show there were 22 unanswered calls to the 911 service in the 27-minute period when the fire was burning. Six came from Hunter's residence.

"You've got four people supposed to be dispatching and three people on break. I can't still digest that," Hunter said.

Police said there are 68 communications positions, with two added in the last fiscal year, and the center needs 78 people to be fully staffed.

The call center's oversight board said they would commission a study aimed at possibly reorganizing and consolidating call taking. The board chairman, Hamilton County Sheriff John Cupp, said "there is a shortage of personnel and a lot of times when there is a shortage of personnel you have problems organizing things."

County commissioners and City Council members said unanswered calls were unacceptable and would be corrected. Sally Robinson, chairman of the Chattanooga City Council, said she did not realize so many calls were being missed.

"We have a responsibility to staff it to a level that makes it work, 24-7," Robinson said.

Not everyone agrees there is a staffing problem, however.

Chattanooga Mayor Ron Littlefield said the 911 call center has the "resources they need" and should have had more people on when Hunter's call was not answered.

The Tennessee Emergency Communications Board may ask to hear from representatives of the Hamilton County district if there is a problem with service, said Lynn Quistel, the board's executive director.

But staffing issues are a local matter, she said. Local oversight boards determine staffing levels and are not required to provide backup rollover numbers.

Patrick Halley, a spokesman for Washington, D.C.-based National Emergency Numbers Association, said there are more than 6,100 911 call centers across the country and there is "no national standard as far as how long it should take" to answer a call.

The Chattanooga call center has had other problems.

Hoyt Branham, who lives in northern Hamilton County, said that in October 2004 he severed an artery in his arm while working in his shop. He called 911 in Chattanooga, told them he was bleeding profusely and provided his location. But no one showed up.

Branham, 70, said he was alone and getting weak, so he called neighbors and his daughter ended up taking him to the hospital. He said 911 operators later denied that he called, but a review of their recording equipment showed he did.

"I just don't trust them," Branham said.

»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060324/ap_···ed_calls

odreian615

join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL
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If you live in tornado ,hurricane,and earthquake zones

you are a idiot if you use Vonage I say that because power companies are known to have blackouts for days even with a battery backup and a cell phone the batteries will eventual die and you will be shyt out of luck better hope someone near you wasnt cheap enough to get VOLP

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Re: If you live in tornado ,hurricane,and earthquake zones

That's right. Phone service doesn't go down when natural disasters strike.
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: If you live in tornado ,hurricane,and earthquake zones

What if you are on RTs, IFITL or other "POTS generated in the field" equipment?

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said by odreian615 See Profile :

you are a idiot if you use Vonage I say that because power companies are known to have blackouts for days even with a battery backup and a cell phone the batteries will eventual die and you will be shyt out of luck better hope someone near you wasnt cheap enough to get VOLP
Funny, during three hurricanes the place we were staying didn't have POTS for days and days, and even then it came up AFTER thet brought in generators. Generator stops, phones died.

But Adelphia had their network up faster than the phone company did, and I had service a few days before many POTS users.
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