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Started routing even 'unconfigured' customers
(old news - 03:08PM Tuesday Jun 28 2005)
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The need to manually configure Vonage 911 service (as this screen clearly indicates) confused many users, prompting a string of state lawsuits against the company. In response, Vonage last week began sending users a letter informing them they've been routing 911 calls whether 911 has been configured or not.

Previously, users in the midst of an emergency who had not configured 911 were greeted with: "Stop. You must dial 911 from another telephone. 911 is not available from this telephone line. No emergency personnel will be dispatched."

According to the Vonage letter, unconfigured 911 callers are now routed to a 24-hour emergency response center (ERC) Vonage claims works much like GM's OnStar. Third-party technology and call center provider TCS fields the calls in Canada, where an agent aids the caller in obtaining local help. Vonage claims that since June 15, over 500 calls have been answered that would have otherwise gotten the recorded warning.

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r81984
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Why?

Why should Vonage give in to stupid lazy people???
DannyZ
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Re: Why?

Hmmm, maybe because of the lawsuits?

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Whatever Vonage can do to last a little longer I am all for. I am just trying to enjoy the ride before some giant telco comes along and buys them up. (doubling rates at the same time)

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said by r81984 See Profile:

Why should Vonage give in to stupid lazy people???
It is an FCC mandate now.

theeasykill

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Re: Why?

Vonage is not a telephone company, it is considered a data company and the FCC does not have any control over it.

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Re: Why?

said by theeasykill:

Vonage is not a telephone company, it is considered a data company and the FCC does not have any control over it.
Hmm, under Vonage logo it says "Broadband Phone Company". Apparently anyone that can terminate calls into regular phone network is considered a phone company.

You can argue but FCC already mandated already mandated all VOIP providers to comply with E911 within 120 days last month.

»www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,a···8,00.asp

Of course, if you bothered to check the VOIP forum or did a simple google search you would know it.

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DannyZ
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Re: Why?

It's a shame that you stereotype

Toadman
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Low cost call centers in India

I can't wait to see what the low cost providers use, like broadvoice. Most likely it will be a call centers in India!
"Oh no, you were shot? Where are you located, quicky mart?"

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Re: Low cost call centers in India

said by Toadman See Profile:

"Oh no, you were shot? Where are you located, quicky mart?"
WTH...aahahahhah:Daghahha:Daahahah:D
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The lawsuits always made me wonder how you could NOT sign up for the 911 service when you get Vonage..It was everywhere, never mind everytime you log into the dashboard...
As for the low cost call centers I could see it now...

Thank you for calling 911 Mr. joseph...Have you tried taking your hand off of the gun shot wound..You have you you still bleed...I see I see...I would be more than happy to help you today...When you take your hand off of the gunshot wound what do you get? Lots of blood? Ah yes I will be more than happy to help you today...Please hold...

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Indian:Hello 911 what is the problem?
Caller:I was shot.
I:You said you was hot?
C:No someone had a gun and shot me.
I:Someone had fun and hot you?
C:WTF?
I:WPF?
C:Who is this?
I:Yes.
C:WTF?
I:WTF?
C:He's come back to get me!
I:Hold on while I get my supervisor
C:I don't have time for loud noise is heard
I:Hello sir, I understand you have a problem with fun?
I:Hello?
I:Thank you call again!
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Re: Low cost call centers in India


cdru
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Ok. Can we at least be realistic here? I mean, come on. Everyone knows the dialog isn't going to be like that.

A much more realistic dialog would be something like:
[music]Thank you for calling Vonage 24-hour Emergency Response Center. In order to serve you better, this call may be monitored or recorded to ensure customer satisfaction. Your input is valuable to us. If you have any comments on the service you called today, please press *1 at any time during this message to answer a customer feedback survey. Your approximate wait time is[pause]45[pause]minutes[pause][more music]
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said by Toadman See Profile:

I can't wait to see what the low cost providers use, like broadvoice. Most likely it will be a call centers in India!
"Oh no, you were shot? Where are you located, quicky mart?"
I find this statement extremely offensive. Your twisted sense of humor at the expense of others disgusts me, and all those who have played along with these unfounded statement are just as bad if not worse.

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Re: Low cost call centers in India

said by slicemaster See Profile:

said by Toadman See Profile:

I can't wait to see what the low cost providers use, like broadvoice. Most likely it will be a call centers in India!
"Oh no, you were shot? Where are you located, quicky mart?"
I find this statement extremely offensive. Your twisted sense of humor at the expense of others disgusts me, and all those who have played along with these unfounded statement are just as bad if not worse.
I'll just wait to hear your horror story from 911, then you can talk
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said by slicemaster See Profile:

said by Toadman See Profile:

I can't wait to see what the low cost providers use, like broadvoice. Most likely it will be a call centers in India!
"Oh no, you were shot? Where are you located, quicky mart?"
I find this statement extremely offensive. Your twisted sense of humor at the expense of others disgusts me, and all those who have played along with these unfounded statement are just as bad if not worse.
Unfounded.....Obviously slicemaster See Profile has not had an out-of-country experience yet
I've experienced EXACTLY what is being discussed--twisted or not, it is TRUE!!
ddavtian

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Address

Let me understand this. I'm a vonage customer for about 3 months now and yes I have gone and configured the 911 feature on my service via the web. It asked me for an address, etc. I'm assuming when I pick up my phone and dial 911 that it will route the call to my local dispatch center vs. their outsourced center correct?

If the above is true, why can't vonage automatically configure these for all clients, meaning they have my name, address, city, state, etc, so why can't they configure this for me instead of asking the end user to do it. Don't get me wrong, it took me 20 seconds to do it, but some people, well you know.

I understand that people can take this terminal all over the country/world. If they decided to take it to another location and then decide to call 911, well too bad. But for their main address Vonage should be able to configure this for them?
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Re: Address

said by ddavtian See Profile:

If the above is true, why can't vonage automatically configure these for all clients, meaning they have my name, address, city, state, etc, so why can't they configure this for me
Exactly. So all along they could do this for the customer it would appear.....and they wonder why they got sued?

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Re: Address

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Are you serious fantom? Have you not been keeping up with the E911 news lately?
Again, sue Vonage for someone's laziness is unwillingness to enter their address into 911 system...It practically hits you over the head each time...
If you are too stupid, lazy, etc to do it, then Mother Nature has an answer for that...It's called Natural Selection...
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Re: Address

said by ptrowski See Profile:

Are you serious fantom? Have you not been keeping up with the E911 news lately?
Again, sue Vonage for someone's laziness is unwillingness to enter their address into 911 system...It practically hits you over the head each time...
If you are too stupid, lazy, etc to do it, then Mother Nature has an answer for that...It's called Natural Selection...
Yea, I have been following it, and until today I felt exactly the same way you did.

But unless I am reading this wrong they have had the ability all along to do it for the customer.....it seems lame to me that they did not do so.
cngr96

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Re: Address

Yea, I have been following it, and until today I felt exactly the same way you did.

But unless I am reading this wrong they have had the ability all along to do it for the customer.....it seems lame to me that they did not do so.

And if they make a mistake? They get sued!

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Why don't they do it to begin with?!??

You've got to be retarded not to understand why they don't do auto 911 from the beginning. I can give you the reason. Not everybody uses their adapter at the same place they get the bill. Some travel. In otherwords, mom buys son vonage while he is off at college, son needs 911, vonage is billing mother in another state, son dials 911, ambulance comes to moms house, son dies 2 states away at college. Or better yet, traveling sales man at hotel, needs 911, but forgot the hotel phone is unplugged, picks up vonage line, calls 911 6 states away to his home, and he's not there. As the commercial states, people do stupid things...

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Maybe they should require 911 setup even before you can make a call. When you first try to make a call, you would have to set up your 911 info. If you were an ignorant fool and just hung up it would just keep on asking for 911 info every time you would make a call.

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Re: Address

said by pcscdma See Profile:

Maybe they should require 911 setup even before you can make a call. When you first try to make a call, you would have to set up your 911 info.
What about the people who don't want/need VOIP 911 service? I've got 911 on my cell which is always on me. I did activate my Vonage 911, it was the first thing I did when I signed up but to punish those who don't want/need it to make up for the stupidity of others is ignorant in itself.

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Re: Address

I know when we moved into this apartment, my wife tried plugging a phone into a phone jack and see if there was a dialtone..she tried calling my cell, and a recording came on saying that there was not any phone service turned on BUT could be used for 911 calling only..covered here!

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What if someone shoots you and takes your cell in hopes that you can't call 911? What then?

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Re: Address

You can use the back up 911 service...
1) raise your hand to your mouth
2) curl your hand into a cone shape
3) place one end of the cone to your mouth
4) yell HELP in the loudest voice possible
5) repeat step 4 until help arrives....

misiek

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Re: Address

said by ptrowski See Profile:

You can use the back up 911 service...
1) raise your hand to your mouth
2) curl your hand into a cone shape
3) place one end of the cone to your mouth
4) yell HELP FIRE!!! in the loudest voice possible
5) repeat step 4 until help arrives....
Suggestion
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Re: Address

said by misiek See Profile:

said by ptrowski See Profile:

You can use the back up 911 service...
1) raise your hand to your mouth
2) curl your hand into a cone shape
3) place one end of the cone to your mouth
4) yell HELP FIRE!!! CHOCOLATE! in the loudest voice possible
5) repeat step 4 until help arrives....
Suggestion
You want people running towards you, not away from you

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said by Cod See Profile:

What about the people who don't want/need VOIP 911 service?
What about a friend visiting your house who doesn't know that you're using VOIP and tries calling 911?

Why would you not set it up? What purpose, other than just being stubborn, does not setting it up serve?
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said by Cod See Profile:

What about the people who don't want/need VOIP 911 service?
Then you electronically "sign" a waiver saying you know what you're doing and hold Vonage, their employees, affiliates, housepets and dust mites harmless and blameless for whatever happens to you because you didn't have their 911 service.
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Vonage can't route you to the local emergency because,
1. They would be giving out your address, it is a privacy issue, You can just hear the people complain.

2. You can move those boxes anywhere, and then the address would be wrong.
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Some of us dont want 911

I'm not lazy etc. and I never set up my 911 I found the message you get quite amusing, and i don't need nor want the 911 service on my Vonage line.

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Also..

I could give a rats ass about 911, I'd rather they were honest and provided me a solution or at least a phone line that worked with my DirecTV service!! :-(
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Re: Also..

I wonder if you might get better / faster service now if you DON'T CONFIGURE the 911 calling.
I don't happen to have a Vonage line but it sounds like before everyone was complaining that when you do setup your 911 service that most of the time it goes to some local number like your local fire station or police station and you never really get any help.

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Re: Also..

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I never complained.. I tested my Vonage 911 and it went right to my PSAP (or whatever it's called), which is the local sherif station. JUST like Vonage said..

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What about the other side?

I don't want 911 !!! I'll sue them for adding 911 !!!

MistaED41

Vonage 911 Changes

What's funny about this is I submitted my E911 details on June 20th and have yet to receive a confirmation. When I emailed them about the delay, the response was that there is no ETA for mt E911 activation due to problems with their provider.
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Re: Vonage 911 Changes

It took me the better part of a couple months to get 911 activated on my Vonage account. This was over two years ago and in the early days of using the Intrado 911 mapping service. (This is a third party Vonage uses to help them figure out where 911 calls based on street address should be routed.)

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Re: Vonage 911 Changes

I found that you have to be very particular about how you input the address... instead of SE you had to put S.E. etc or it gets kicked back...
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Re: Vonage 911 Changes

My problem was I spelled out DRIVE instead of abbreviating it as DR

Kind of a joke if you ask me. Address matching is a very mature technology. I don't understand why it's so hard. I could understand if I lived in an enormous town with lots of streets whose names are solely distinguished by DRIVE, LANE, STREET, CROSSING etc. However, in my zip code, I live on the only street by this name. It should not have been that hard for the matching program to punt the street suffix and consider it a match -- especially when doing so allowed it to match on a single address.

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Stupid for wanting 911 service?

I think all of you who are calling people idiots, etc. for wanting 911 service are totally fu*ked in the head.

What happens if there is an emergency? Is someone an IDIOT for NEEDING emergency services and can't get it because they have a different phone provider? Whether or not they are a broadband phone company, 911 service should be, and has become, mandatory.

Would you be so bold to say the same things if YOU were experiecing an emergency and got a recorded message about no 911 service when your father is having a heart attack or when seconds count?

You all need a reality check.

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