VoIP Dead, Not Dead, Depending Who You AskComcast certainly thinks VoIP/digital voice is doing just fine... ( old news - 12:25PM Friday Jan 02 2009) tags: competition · business · alternatives · Op/Ed · VoIP · bundles · consumersThe VoIP sector suffered an existential crisis this week, with many in the industry debating whether the technology was alive, dead, or on life support. Former Microsoft manager Alec Saunders declared that VoIP was dead. Jeff Pulver, co-founder of Vonage and founder of Free World Dial Up insists that VoIP is far from dead. Jeff retains the revolutionary tone popular before the SunRocket kerfuffle marred consumer opinion of independent VoIP: When I look to the future, I believe we are just on the edge of the time when the true promise of VoIP will be realized. In order for these dreams to be realized, it will require a new group of people who believe in challenging the status quo, to stand up and be counted on. While I am looking for others to join the NEW revolution, I am ready and prepared to do what it takes to continue to push for the promise of what IP Communications can offer. Others correctly observe that VoIP has simply changed shape. Gone are the "change the world" discussions of voice simply being data with an inevitable price point of zero. In their place is a residential VoIP market now dominated (to the tune of almost 90%) by the nation's largest cable operators. Comcast is now the nation's fourth largest phone company, adding half a million VoIP subscribers in the third quarter alone. On the opposite trajectory is Vonage, the poster child for the independent VoIP movement, who many predict will finally fold in 2009. While Vonage struggles, the nation's two largest phone companies are prepared to finally take VoIP more seriously. Previously hamstrung by fears that they'd further cannibalize declining landline revenues, both AT&T and Verizon have major plans for VoIP in 2009. Residential VoIP isn't dead as much as it is transformed -- from baby boomer with revolutionary ambitions, to a mid-level office manager dreaming of a bigger cubicle. Just a few years ago, the talk was about how pesky upstart VoIP operators would someday make voice communications free. Now, the talk is about whether you'll be getting your VoIP/broadband/TV triple play from a phone or a cable company. Related:- Verizon's Open Development Initiative? So Far It's A Joke
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| Re: well... said by Fox McCloud :That said, the day when most everyone uses the Internet to make calls, and the price is zero (or very close to it), it'll definitely be very very nice...hopefully, by then, wideband will have taken over. The price point will never be ZERO as long as people need cust svc support to help them out with problems. People cost money and businesses will charge for that.
And before someone brings up the ad supported business plan, will you use a voice service that interrupts your call for a commercial? Say every 10 mins, you have to interrupt your conversation for a 30 sec ad(like a Hulu video). -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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said by GOLFnSUN :said by Fox McCloud :That said, the day when most everyone uses the Internet to make calls, and the price is zero (or very close to it), it'll definitely be very very nice...hopefully, by then, wideband will have taken over. The price point will never be ZERO as long as people need cust svc support to help them out with problems. People cost money and businesses will charge for that. And before someone brings up the ad supported business plan, will you use a voice service that interrupts your call for a commercial? Say every 10 mins, you have to interrupt your conversation for a 30 sec ad(like a Hulu video). let me rephrase that---for some VoIP, the price will probably be zero, but the only people that will use it are the tech savvy--the "near zero" will be the VoIP which has customer support.
now, if phones had a small video display, ad-supported VoIP might work :P -- "True Patriotism is more closely linked with dissent than it is to conformity and a blind desire for safety and security...I accept the definition of patriotism as that effort to resist abusive state power." -Ron Paul | |
|  |  |  |   CylonRed Premium,MVM join:2000-07-06 Bloom County | Re: well... It is a pipe dream that you can offer a service for nothing. VOIP will never be free nor can it be free. | |
|  |  |  |  |  fiberguy My views are my own. Premium join:2005-05-20
| Re: well... I don't know why, but it really angers me when I see people pushing the notion of a free service-anything.. especially something as important as telephone.
To me, I see it as someone trying to tear down a vital industry and associate it as a joke.
No matter how much wireless and mobility this nation has for communication, having a secure, stable, wired solution is a must. Wireless has way too many things that stand in the way to being labeled a lifeline service and always will.
But, as for the zero or near zero.. its a Utopian, as you said, pipe-dream that will never happen. I'm still waiting for the great day that MagicJack becomes a BBR front page news article that the owner was indited for running a ponzi-scheme or simply goes belly up. | |
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1 edit | It would be simple to put a small ad on each out going call. All you have to do is insert the ad before the call is completed. a 15 second ad there would be nothing. Time and Temp. numbers do it. VoIP can do it. And look how many people used free dial-up providers back when those were hot. If it can be done with the Internet it can be done for Voice.
Cable Companies could have their day in the sun if they turned and peered their networks together and created a large VoIP to VoIP plan.
Free calling from any cable company to another that offers Digital Phone.
Would be a HUGE hit. Especially since they wouldn't have to pay to put the calls on to the PSTN if they could keep them on their network until it would reach the other cable network for peering. | |
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| Re: well... said by hottboiinnc :It would be simple to put a small ad on each out going call. All you have to do is insert the ad before the call is completed. a 15 second ad there would be nothing. Time and Temp. numbers do it. VoIP can do it. And look how many people used free dial-up providers back when those were hot. If it can be done with the Internet it can be done for Voice. Cable Companies could have their day in the sun if they turned and peered their networks together and created a large VoIP to VoIP plan. Free calling from any cable company to another that offers Digital Phone. Would be a HUGE hit. Especially since they wouldn't have to pay to put the calls on to the PSTN if they could keep them on their network until it would reach the other cable network for peering. Except for the ad idea, I agree your other ideas make sense. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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1 edit | Ad run dial up wasn't as popular as you think and it didn't catch on. It died far before broadband became the norm. Personally, I will never use a phone service that I have to hear an ad before making a call.. don't care if its 15 seconds or 2 seconds.. ads do not belong in the telephone call.
The only issue I have with cable offering free calling from company to company is 1) it won't happen, that would cut a revenue stream they enjoy today. 2) I really don't like the idea of having a plan where some calls may be free and others are going to be charged. I, like many, like predictability which is why the flat rate telephone plan is more popular than a measured rate plan is.
If cable wanted to offer a reduced rate plan and offered free in-calling, great, but I doubt it would ever be industry wide. Even then, what comes with such a plan is ultimately always going to be that stick that comes with the carrot. You're going then have a side of the plan that is measured for other calls. No thanks. 
$25 a month for Vonage and $40 a month for comcast CVD is perfectly in the norm for a guy like me that grew up with $80 to $250 phone bills each month. Maybe having this kind of a past is why I have a really hard time seeing people bitch over spending $25 a month, even, for vonage or the $40 or even $50 that cable charges. | |
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| Re: well... I didnt say anywhere in my post where cable companies would charge extra for calls that were not peered. I said they could offer them for free. As in the local and regional calling plans that many cable companies offer. Plus it would attract more people to their phone system that would pay for maybe 500 minutes of calling a day plus get free Cableco to CableCo calls.
Cable companies would still get their money. Plus it would lower their cost to connect to the PSTN.
$250 for a phone bill isnt much compared to when you have a $500 per month like i did for family that went to England when their Vonage or 'Net would go down and you had to call their actual UK number. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  fiberguy My views are my own. Premium join:2005-05-20
| Re: well... Want to have a competition? I too have had $500 and even higher phone bills. Stop being so literal.. I was giving an average as implied in my bill's rages.
Many cable companies don't offer regional plans.. some have dabbled in it so far, however, they all mostly price out on the one price fits all.
They're not looking to reduce what they collect from a consumer, they are as most people notice, pricing their services at a rate they need to survive. Consumers would like to have an ultra low cost service, but like anything, there has to be sustainability to operate. (Note: dls rates have gone up becuase they could NEVER sustain the $14 price point they tried. That whole mess was a ploy to gain customers from the competition.. that whole mess should be, in my view, investigated)
But, what I'm saying though, is that if the fees are already unlimited, what point would a system to system peer and free in-like-calling benefit? Maybe I'm missing something.
In-calling isn't really more than an advertising ploy developed by the cellular industry. Honestly, with the pricing point that cable wants, I doubt we'll ever see any kind of plan like that in the future. What I think we will see is a slight downward pricing of the service itself. | |
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| Re: well... What is your many cable providers? And how many actually announce that they offer them? But why should they when they're making the $$$.
And mobile to mobile calling is great on cell phones if you talk to a large group of people that have the same carrier. Why pay extra in minutes to talk to someone else with the same company.
I think you find fault with almost every comment that is posted on here.
And DSL could have stayed at $14.95 why ATT doesn't pay much for their transit when their the upstream provider past the DSLAM they don't have to pay to expand like other ISPs or pay wholesale. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  fiberguy My views are my own. Premium join:2005-05-20
| Re: well... said by hottboiinnc :What is your many cable providers? And how many actually announce that they offer them? But why should they when they're making the $$$. You made the initial claim.. so who offers regional plans? Since Comcast is the largest, and offers a regional plan in a very small amount of systems... TWC is the second largest and offers them in limited systems as well.. I don't think I need to go further.
And mobile to mobile calling is great on cell phones if you talk to a large group of people that have the same carrier. Why pay extra in minutes to talk to someone else with the same company. In-calling is nice, however, I buy my plans for my needs and not because others are on the same network. Besides, I'm loyal to myself as you are to you and others are to themselves. Are you going to stay with your provider that you decide no longer meets your needs simply becuase your friends are on the same network? Not really.. you're going to go where it's best for you. This is why In-calling is not effective.. it's just marketing. MCI started this with Friends and Family plans back in the 80/90's.. it didn't do TOO well for them.
I think you find fault with almost every comment that is posted on here. I think you need to be realistic. I don't need to explain my posting habits to you, however, your post, right now, is out of the TOS. Aren't you supposed to stick with the topic and not the user? I don't think I need to come to a this site and post only with people I agree.. for that, I use the thumbs up, usually. Besides, the majority of people are here to bitch, in my view. I think many people have lost their ways anyway.. but I digress. Based on the number of posts, and if I found fault with almost every comment posted here, I'd have to quit my job and spend full time doing this.. so I think your comment is way over exaggerate and self serving to distract.
I DID, however, if you read, told you that maybe I don't understand what you're saying here - that's your cue to expand. Sorry that you were looking for a reason to act like so many others and attack. And, you can say the same to me, however, going back years, I stopped letting people attack me and decided to strike back.. The short term memory on this site doesn't amuse me, sorry about that. People here are generally angry - that's there problem. Their own anger clouds their ability to think clear - again, not my problem.
And DSL could have stayed at $14.95 why ATT doesn't pay much for their transit when their the upstream provider past the DSLAM they don't have to pay to expand like other ISPs or pay wholesale. And your final mistake. It's not all about transit.. there are other costs that are associated with DSL. It's already been showed that they under priced that service - they even admitted it. The entire idea behind dropping the price was to gain customers from dial-up, cable service, and keep existing customers (when they were able to get that price) just long enough to get U-verse on line. As they said, and I'll quote, "it's easier to market and up-sell a current customer than it is to get a new one".. So, sorry to tell you, no, they could not keep $14.99 DSL going which is why they raised the price.. Sorry.
Also, if you'll recall, it was shortly after they started the $14 DSL prices that Mr. Ed of SBC started crying about companies like google, amazon, and netflix "using my pipes to make money off my back".. and the whole charge to get a 3rd line of revenue began. Don't you think for any moment that they were panicking becuase cable was starting to hurt their market? The $14 DSL was a gamble move to sustain their customer base and growth long enough to get to the next level.
Sorry, I just don't agree with you, AND, in many public discussions, there is a level of debate and disagreement. I'm not going to seek out people I agree with and say "hey, I agree with that!" .. People disagree.. that's life. | |
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| Some cable companies are ALREADY peering with one-another for voice (though only a few so far). Cable "digital voice" plans already charge a flat fee for unlimited US and Canada calling, so whether peered or not these calls are already essentially free to the end customer. Cable companies love not having to pay IXCs to handle these calls.
The real beauty of voip peering is that is allows better call quality (fewer codecs) and can also permit video telephony. | |
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| Re: Already peering Cable companies pay to terminate to the PSTN. They're charges are just much less since they terminate so many. Many even use CLECs to do this. Or like TWC in Ohio they use Sprint.
but many offer local and regional only plans that save money to the customer (TWC is one of the majors that offer local and regional plans on top of the Unlimited). It would give people that lower their bills plus allow the Cable companies to gain more customers.
It's not about saving money for the customer by peering. But getting them on Digital Voice/VoIP and keeping them there while giving them what they want. Especially if Grandma who has TWC in NYC and wants to call her Grandson in CA on Comcast. She would be able to save money by having her local calling but also talking to him for free due to Comcast and TWC could peer and keep their calls ON NETWORK instead of going to the PSTN. | |
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| said by hottboiinnc : And look how many people used free dial-up providers back when those were hot. If it can be done with the Internet it can be done for Voice. And where did all of those free providers go? Oh that's right, out of business even before broadband became an option for alot of people. So what reason is there for a VoIP provider to make the same mistake? -- "I like to reffer to myself as an Adult Film Efficienato." - Stuart Bondeck | |
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| Re: well... said by Cthen :said by hottboiinnc : And look how many people used free dial-up providers back when those were hot. If it can be done with the Internet it can be done for Voice. And where did all of those free providers go? Oh that's right, out of business even before broadband became an option for alot of people. So what reason is there for a VoIP provider to make the same mistake? Even NetZero (once the king of free dialup) charges $9.95... | |
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | Re: well... i don't understand how consumers see $40/month for cable voice and think that's a better deal than telco's rip off. no one looking at the numbers? | |
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| said by priller :Unfortunately, the cable co's have managed to convince the general public that their $40/month service is actually a great deal! Unbelievable. Of course, Joe Consumer has no clue that it's VoIP .... it's "digital voice", right? I'm not sure if Comcast's telephone service really is a true VOIP.
Bottom line is people want a sense of security when it comes to their home/business phone number and as attractive as Vonage has made it cost wise, they really haven't shown how their product is secure and dependble enough for Joe Sixpack's mom and dad to jump on board.
And when I mean secure let's not all throw the wiretapping crap, we're talking about preditory private entities. | |
|  |  |  fiberguy My views are my own. Premium join:2005-05-20
| said by priller :Unfortunately, the cable co's have managed to convince the general public that their $40/month service is actually a great deal! Unbelievable. Of course, Joe Consumer has no clue that it's VoIP .... it's "digital voice", right? How old are you? Can't be that old to be honest. You've probably never seen a $50 to $250 phone bill in your life, huh?
With that in mind, I think THAT is how come people see $40 a month as not only a 'great deal' but a fabulously fantastic STEAL of a deal.
I also find a great deal wrong with your post period. Cable companies have managed to have a great deal for many reasons. For one, $40 is extremely cheap considering that telephone still can't touch that price point with copper, but players like AT&T will so long as they have television plans (uverse). Second, the cable companies didn't have to convince the public of anything.. the public isn't stupid and can figure it out on their own. $40 a month is a good deal considering we just came from an era of telephone charging a butt and arm for dial tone service with in this very decade. To this day, I can STILL pay MORE for the long distance side's base rate than the local dial-tone side at any major provider.
What I also find wrong is that people will still compare a service like Vonage to that of a managed phone provider like Cable or Telephone.. they are clearly in a different class.. and this comes from someone that has Qwest (1 line for stability + DSL), Comcast CDV (4 lines) and Vonage (2 lines)..
it's not unbelievable at all. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  fiberguy My views are my own. Premium join:2005-05-20
| Re: well... Asking you how old you are is not a personal attack. Being a little sensitive are you? .. or are you just not that good at separating emotion from a black and white text question?
I asked your age for a simple reason becuase most people that are YOUNGER do NOT understand or have ever seen a phone bill over $40 in their life, THAT'S why!
But anyway, if you are over 50 and have paid those kinds of bills before, I don't think you're being honest in calling a $40 service which includes both local and long distance as well as calling features that used to, alone, cost $40 excessive.
What I would call you is un-reasonable at best with that way of thinking. You're also trying to pass your $10 a month service off as normal when it's far from it; more of an exception to the 'norm'..
I'll accept your apology at anytime now for your inability to read a simple message and over react like so many do here. | |
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| I would be interested in knowing what service you have for less then $10 a month that provides free repairs, free equipment, had someone come out and install that equipment.
I'm guessing you have a lot of your own equipment and time in your "cheap" phone service. Most "joe consumers" as you named them, will have no idea how to install configure or fix it if something goes wrong.
You are being completely unrealistic trying to say "Joe Consumer" wants or has the capability to jump through the tech hoops you are willing to in order to save a few bucks.
BTW, do you have any children? I highly doubt it if your phone bills are so low.
Your ideals and pricing ideals are unrealistic IMHO for the average person/family.
said by priller :said by fiberguy :said by priller :Unfortunately, the cable co's have managed to convince the general public that their $40/month service is actually a great deal! Unbelievable. Of course, Joe Consumer has no clue that it's VoIP .... it's "digital voice", right? How old are you? Can't be that old to be honest. You've probably never seen a $50 to $250 phone bill in your life, huh? Personal attacks, real nice. If you must know, I'm over 50 and have paid those prices. That's why I would never pay the excessive cost of CDV. I only use PAYG VoIP providers. I can't remember when my monthly phone bill has been over $10. VoIP.ms Callcentric VoIPVoIP | |
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| said by Fox McCloud :once the vast vast majority of the country has access to broadband, Cosidering who ISPs don't care about providing service to people in rural areas I'd say this will happen um NEVER. | |
|  |  Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ
| the big seperation between CDV and say Vonage is one you can usually get service that day if it goes out and Vonage is next open time slot because it is just CHSI out. and Residental internet is not high priority compaired to business and voice customers. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| No... ... VoIP is killing traditional phone service providers.
Cable voice is REALLY taking a bite out of their customer pool.  My CDV is great, and cheaper too! -- Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
|  |  |   NOCMan Verizon Fios User Premium join:2004-09-30 Flower Mound, TX
| Re: Business Use Traditional PBX installs are going away. The last time I attended a QOS class which many VOIP engineers attend about 80% of the class was filled with traditional PBX guys retooling themselves for VOIP. -- Play a Death Knight? www.theebonhold.com | |
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| Re: Business Use said by NOCMan :Traditional PBX installs are going away. The last time I attended a QOS class which many VOIP engineers attend about 80% of the class was filled with traditional PBX guys retooling themselves for VOIP. I believe it. Even when I was looking into a traditional PBX back in 2003, the guy strongly suggested we connect it using IP phones with some sort of SIP trunking. | |
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| filling a void VoIP is just filling the gap between the overpriced landline to the overpriced cellphone. Once cellphone services become reasonable and affordable, landlines, VoIP, digital telephone, skype-type services will go the way of the horse and buggy. Why have your source of communications be tied to your house? | |
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1 edit | Re: filling a void said by Lenagainster : Why have your source of communications be tied to your house? Because bandwidth intensive applications, like video in all it's various flavors, will never be able to be provisioned over wireless. There's some basic physics at work. Once you have the pipe in place to do video, the marginal cost of doing voice, messaging, alarm monitoring, meter reading, etc., is essentially zero.
Now, once they get the bugs worked out out quantum mechanics... | |
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join:2008-12-17 | Bye Bye Landline ... and VoIP We just dropped our VoIP and are using Cells only. Liking it thus far. If I were to ever get another home phone, I would go back to VoIP. See ya landline! -- »techfragments.com | |
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join:2008-11-20 Pleasant Hill, MO | When vonage goes down hopfuly a better VoIP will rise. Like one of the top five from DR's gbu.
either that or formerly standalone ISP will get their own VoIP, earthlink is one that has done that. | |
|   DSLTech
join:2000-12-30 San Jose, CA
| quality issues honestly folks, i've had it with quality issues when it comes to cell phones. maybe you're too young to remember how clear a nice landline sounds like. when i talk to people on the cell phone, its always intermittently bad and it never REALLY sounds GOOD.
i had that experience the other day with a friend at work... we were talking on the cell phone and it was just frustrating. so we switched to landline and i joked with him that they'll NEVER replace landlines in as far as quality.
face it folks. we're sacrificing quality for the sake of convenience and costs. don't deny it to me with a straight face!
anyway, back to VoIP ... its doing just fine folks. these articles are just meant to stir up discussion and increase revenue for DSLR ... which is fine with me. | |
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| VOIP Not there yet! Lets face facts, the way VOIP is currently deployed over a best effort network (Internet) it is too confusing and technical for the common user. It does have a couple cool features and is a little cheaper than a phone line but for a standard consumer I don't think it warrants a mass change over.
Of course the cable companies and VOIP providers don't think its dead, its all they've got to compete for voice.
For anyone who has had VOIP and a problem with VOIP I bet the experience was not pleasant, VOIP provider blaming ISP, ISP blaming peering, etc, etc. Hooking up and configuring equipment, opening firewalls, prioritizing packets on your router, installing battery backup in case of power loss, your internet is down and no phone........
When you compare it to a Plain Old Telephone you hook up and it just works, that will be pretty tough to beat. | |
|  |  jalles Premium join:2006-10-22 State College, PA
| Re: VOIP Not there yet! Not only is all of that difficult, some things don't work (particularly for business, even SOHO).
On Comcast Digital Voice (CDV) Try: Fax Machine Credit Card Terminal Postage Machine w/ dial-up replenish
Then, there are too many places that 120 VAC power can be lost, without much hope of a generator in case of a disaster.
Your best bet is diversity - multiple carriers, multiple cables. You will enjoy a cost reduction by averaging. | |
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join:2007-03-18 Johnstown, PA | Re: VOIP Not there yet! Maybe Comcast can't handle fax machines, but Digital Phone from Atlantic Broadband does. I just sent a fax today to one of their customers in Miami and had no problem.
What's Comcast doing wrong?
NetLarry | |
|  |  |  jalles Premium join:2006-10-22 State College, PA | Oh yeah -
I am not even sure about alarm reporting to a central station for fire alarm, security systems.
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|  cpsycho
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| I hate cell phones I have owned around 4 of them. I dont own any any more and never will get another one. Way more expensive to have these days. Pay as you go and plans. Last Cell I had I was averaging $150 - $200 month. VoIP I only pay $45(unlimited plan), voip wins hands down. Oh, then there is the coins here and there I need to use a pay phone when im out. So I might spend $5 dollers extra a month when I need to use a phone on the go. | |
|   Eat Me
join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ | I must be imagining things If VoIP is dead, why all the commercials for Magic Jack?
Why is it that Skype has around 10 million subscribers signed in to the service at any given moment?
Yeah, VoIP is dead all right. | |
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join:2001-12-09 Waterloo, IA | Re: I must be imagining things But Skype isn't making any money. They're likely to be sold soon...
But I love the unlimited calls for less than $3 a month.  | |
|   clickwir
join:2001-06-21 Dickson City, PA | millions of users There are millions of users and more everyday. Anyone calling it dead either is loosing money because of it and wants to spread some FUD.... or is a total moron.
I love my Vonage and I've switched 3 other homes over to it. | |
|  |  watts3000
join:2002-01-21 Birmingham, AL
| Re: millions of users Att callvantage is rock solid for me I pay 25.00 a month for unlimited access with all calling features. Now if you can point to a traditional phone company that can offer that maybe I'll switch. BTW I don't have any quality problems people can't even tell I'm on voip. Also I'm a Tmobile user before that Verizon I never had any call quality problems on my cell and I've used them all over the country. | |
|  |  |   anoniman
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| Re: millions of users Ever hear the term "if it's to good to be true it won't last"?
Guess what you can't sign up for anymore? att callvantage.
Enjoy it while it still exists, I'm guessing that won't be much longer.
said by watts3000 :Att callvantage is rock solid for me I pay 25.00 a month for unlimited access with all calling features. Now if you can point to a traditional phone company that can offer that maybe I'll switch. BTW I don't have any quality problems people can't even tell I'm on voip. Also I'm a Tmobile user before that Verizon I never had any call quality problems on my cell and I've used them all over the country. | |
|   BillRoland Premium join:2001-01-21 Ocala, FL clubs:
·Cox HSI
1 edit | Commercial Independent VoIP is dead But VoIP is alive and well. In a lot of ways its like going back to the early days before you had Vonage et al. trying to convince everybody VoIP was a cheap POTS look and act alike. A person with adequate knowledge can use VoIP between him and somebody else for free. All the hullabaloo comes when you want to start interconnecting with the PSTN and have VoIP mimic traditional POTS, and no, that will never be free.
EDIT: By the way, I read Jeff's blog and while I respect Jeff and the impact he has had in VoIP, I had to pinch myself to see if I was really awake. Its hard to take any of what he wrote seriously.
-- "Don't steal. The government hates competition." | |
|  patnitop
join:2005-02-22 USA
| Been using VOIP since 2003 I for one have been using VOIP since its early days about 2003/2004 and have never gone back. Staying in touch with your friends and family has become incredibly easy and perhaps cheap, thanks to SIP and Linksys PAP2. I am saddened by the lack of innovation, particularly in the hardware section.
Nonetheless, I will keep on using it and keep recommending it everyone else. | |
|   dakota1991
@charter.com
| VOIP future I think VOIP will always have its place, especially for the geeks. As the cable companies look for additional revenue, they will try to kill off the commercial VOIP providers to force customers to use their own service. One thing hurting VOIP today is a lack of longevity and quality (think of Sunrocket and Viatalk). If Vonage wasn't so deep in debt then they probably could have a long life. Another thing that will affect VOIP is the unlimited talk plans on the cell phones, which will probably one day become the only available plan, as well as the continuous built-out of cell sites.
The landline as we know it today will become nothing more than a niche market serving businesses, people without Internet service, and the elderly who don't understand new technologies. Unfortunately, as landlines begin to die out, the various government agencies that depend on that revenue will shift their excessive taxation and fees to the VOIP lines (already started in many areas) until VOIP isn't worth having.
A few years some company sold a "cell phone base station" and I had one. When I came home from work I simply dropped my cell phone in it and I could then use my cell phone through any of my home phones (the station also charged my cell phone battery). If cell phone manufacturers would standardize the charging jack and data interface ports on all the cell phones then maybe these types of base stations would return. I know I dropped my landline service after getting a cell phone base station in 1999. When people are at home they want to be able to use any normal phone instrument in the house - they shouldn't care if it connects via cell phone, VOIP, or landline. Let technology decide the most cost effective and QOS means of connecting the call.
I presently use both Magicjack (unlimited for $20/year) and Gizmo5 (unlimted inbound, 1.9 cents/min outbound) along with a pay-as-you-go cell phone and link them to one number using Grand Central. These services may not be around a year or two from now, but if they aren't then I'll move to some other technology. Most people aren't willing to do that and would rather pay the higher costs for stable long-term solutions. | |
|  |  watts3000
join:2002-01-21 Birmingham, AL | Re: VOIP future Dakota you need to check out tmobile I think they are the mos inovative cell company right now. They offer voip at home and also wifi hotspot calling pretty much what you are talking about. | |
|   AlexNYC
join:2001-06-02 Edwards, CO | POTS is dead POTS is all but dead. With everyone switching to Wireless and VoIP, POTS is doomed. Just like the street pay phones. | |
|  tmc8080
join:2004-04-24 Floral Park, NY
| The voip industry welcome Verizon to the party. Although Verizon started out by trying to wipe 3rd party voip providers from the map, they've since changed course because the cable companies have become the alternative to the drying up well of 3rd party providers. Comcast and Cablevision eat up a nice chunk of Verizon's former copper customer base. Since Verizon knows those customers aren't coming back, they figure it's better to learn from the motto... if you can't beat 'em (with copper), then join 'em... (VOIP). So, the voip industry welcomes Verizon's alleged serious attempt at voip (not that crap they've previously had), now porting into the ONT's VOICE where POTS copper porting once existed causing your bill never to be the same price per month due to copper's tariff nightmere.. and fcc honeypot of fees. It is also sad to say, that your local states will no longer see revenue from these lost copper lines.. and only the fed charges a miniscule fee to voip.. it will be interesting of this remains intact, now that Verizon is jumping the copper ship titanic for more proffitable seas.
One good thing does come of this.. now Verizon can compete head-to-head with Comcast & Cablevision offering a similar triple play of services. One will now have a better measure of seeing which is the better value without the whole VOIP vs POTS/copper porting debate-- Verizon was at a significnat price disadvantage due to their legacy fees. Now it will be numbers of HD channels, Fastest-most reliable internet and more importantly these days, bottom line $ Price $. Though Comcast may begin to rethink this whole 250gb cap thing in about a few years time when VZ starts sniping customers away from Capcast.. | |
|  |  maddogmark69
join:2009-01-04 Humble, TX | Not dead in new commercial projects As far as new construction of large commercial projects, VOIP is alive and well. That being said, land lines are still necessary for life safety systems. | |
|  kokuryu
join:2000-10-10 Hollywood, FL
| Definitely NOT dead I cant believe anyone even said that... With more and more people getting rid of their landlines, businesses are getting rid of them too, and changing over to VOIP. As a matter of fact I am installing several VOIP lines right now as I type. And with those new "portable" VOIP dongles - EVERYONE wants one of those - even my mom. So VOIP is definitely NOT dead by any long shot. If anything at all it is gaining momentumn. Actually I am not too surprised that Microsoft thinks its dead... They never get anything right... | |
|  OrionnoirO
join:2008-12-20 Indianapolis, IN
| VoIP isnt dead.. Actually, considering I pay $1.39 a month for my phone service (for at least the next 6 years) for MagicJack, it is a great example of how cheap phone service has become. And that includes unlimited local/long distance to anywhere in the US/Canada, very very cheap international rates if you want to call like Asia or Europe, unlim. voicemail, unlim. 411, threeway, call waiting, caller id, etc. And it works with credit card terminals, fax machines, home security, satellite boxes, etc. etc.
Its 39.99 for the USB dongle that you plug the phone into (or connect to your internal house wiring) and and your first year of service, then 59.99 if you prepay for 5 more years of service, otherwise it is 19.99 a year after the first. Customer Service sucks to be honest, but I dont really need them anyways ;p And the softphone may be annoying but you can install it as a service if needed, or, get your SIP info and use a standard ATA (while this is not allowed by the TOS, yet, ((BYOD is coming)), alot of people do this and it works fine).
I couldnt imagine having to pay $20+ a month now for phone service, considering how cheap it has gotten. | |
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