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| Re: Internet coding system? said by desreversti  :Hmmm.. an "Internet coding system".... sounds fairly interesting! I wonder if it just a packet shaping technology that looks for BitTorrent packets Whenever I try to use BT on Verizon, it stalls... Might be here already. Ironically, it was for a "Free" product... Linspire.
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join:2000-11-21 | Hmmmmmmmmmm......... A coding system huh. Looks like Verizon is rolling over and turning over names and IPs to Disney! Goodluck Verizon P2P users!! | |
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| Re: Verizon merely following the law Wrong answer there..
If the ISP is 'looking for markers', they they are snooping on my data, and THAT is a major infringement of my privacy. The USPS isn't allowed to read my mail without a warrant, the telephone company isn't allowed to record my calls without a warrant, why does Disney get a 'free pass' to illegally spy on it's customers?
What's the appeals process for the customer, if they are falsely accused?
Is Verizon liable if they accuse the wrong person?
Can Verizon be held liable for ALL infringement then?
If so, then what about comcast?
Who watches the watchers at verizon?
What's the process they use to determine what's infringing?
Hell, I AM a verizon shareholder, and as a shareholder, I think it's a dumbass idea. Why the hell should a company take on the responsibilities, costs, and worst of all, risks of the legal system? Verizon delivers data as a common carrier, they are not a nanny. This is nothing more than a case of digital blackmail by Disney. If Verizon is smart, they will immediately accuse someone, have it go to court, and deliberately loose. That would set a precedent to let them out of any forced agreement Disney made with them.
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| Re: Verizon merely following the law said by G_Poobah :...they they are snooping on my data... Disney will probably assert that it is THEIR data...
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| said by GOLFnSUN : If people don't like the law then they should get their congressman to change it. HAHA that is funny, yes of course, lest write in and see if we can get it changed oh no better I will vote for the two candidates that seem to be the same. oh wait better I will try to become one and see if I can get a few haha did I say few, millions of dollars. | |
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|  Nail in the coffin
Wasn't that interested in the video, but with DRM included PASS!
Disney channels aren't even watched on DBS now, but DRM in any form is bad.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE! Fight back on this DRM crap or pretty soon your not going to be able to have FF and REW on your remotes! Look at Tivo's new fees, and submitting to the Macrovision/DVD gestapo. Theres a reason all those asian made DVD players have "leaked" firmware thats region free and CSS free etc.. And why one particularly large mass producer of DVD's wants to drop support for it. In this case this decision is based on profits more than the anti DRM stance as the license fee seriously impacts on the bottom line of the players.
We won round one of the battle on the broadcast flag, but the NAB/xxAA gang is trying the back door and winning!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
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| Re: Nail in the coffin Hey, I did "fight back" - I quit watching/listening.
Were it not for my wife, we could probably ditch our TV. I just got tired of the bull. Even today, I only watch 4 or 5 programs regularly. With the exception of Battlestar Galactica (which I have found strangely addictive) I could give up the remainder fairly easily if I had to.
Although not due to DRM, but more a lack of quality recordings, I have virtually quit buying new CD's. Very rarely do I now discover a CD worth buying. I haven't bought a new CD in over a year.
Ironically, I bought more CD's when I was using Napster and WinMX than I do now - because I could tell if the CD was worth spending money on, and the quality of files on both services was exceedingly subpar.
Lastly, related to the general lack of interest in current movies and TV, I only own about 5 DVD's. This is largely due to the fact that, at $20 per movie, I can only afford to see a handful of movies. Of those, only a smaller subset end up being something I think I would ever like to see again.
As a result, my "entertainment" tab is mostly my cable bill and eating out with the wife. | |
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| Internet coding system? Internet coding system? Try ip address. I like how they jazz it up to make it seem like Disney is implementing some kind of crazy technology to track so called copyright infringers down. As far as their deal goes it basically says the same thing will happen that always happens. Copyright holder sees an ip grabbing their stuff illegally. So they take the suspect ip to the ISP who owns it and asks for information and that the person be notified. Information isn't given without a subpoena, but the person is notified by email. Maybe all this means that if you steal Disney stuff you will get a more jazzier email? | |
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| Re: Internet coding system? said by insomniac84 :Internet coding system? Try ip address. I like how they jazz it up to make it seem like Disney is implementing some kind of crazy technology to track so called copyright infringers down. As far as their deal goes it basically says the same thing will happen that always happens. Copyright holder sees an ip grabbing their stuff illegally. So they take the suspect ip to the ISP who owns it and asks for information and that the person be notified. Information isn't given without a subpoena, but the person is notified by email. Maybe all this means that if you steal Disney stuff you will get a more jazzier email? Perhaps it means that Verizon will actively detect copyright infringement by their customers. For Disney and ESPN content, at least.
Perhaps it also means that Verizon will actively co-operate with Disney if there are any copyright infringement complaints against their customers. | |
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Schererville, IN | Re: Internet coding system? Yea, but they can't give out private information, at most they can provide a jazzier email with maybe a link to a disney site that tricks you into giving up information. | |
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I don't spend my day downloading episodes of That's So Raven for fun. | |
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| Re: Who cares. said by tiamold8 :Who the hell even downloads Disney stuff here? I don't spend my day downloading episodes of That's So Raven for fun. How about some athletic event on ESPN(owned by Disney) or a new ABC comedy series?
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| Disney is a large megacorporation that owns a hell of a lot of media content. That includes a number of large film studios, the ABC televison network, a number of production companies that make tv shows for both ABC and other networks. They have their hand in music and I'm sure print as well.
In short the price everyone pays for media consolidation is blackmail. And getting rid of "bundling" won't do an ounce of good since the prices of the individual channels by themselves will be priced to the point where buying ala carte is pointless. | |
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| My Thoughts I can live with DRM....IF....it doesn't go as far as to block me from recording my everyday shows so I can watch later in case I wasn't able to watch it when it was actually on TV. I used to record movies to VHS and keep them in my collection. However, it that has to stop I can actually live with it as I have not done that type of recording in years. I just want to be able to watch an episode of Stargate that I recorder because I missed it earlier. If the DRM gestapos start infringing on our ability to record regular shows for later viewing and taking out our ability to pass up commercials, that is where I will start having a serious issue with all this. | |
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| Re: My Thoughts said by Steve B :I can live with DRM....IF....it doesn't go as far as to block me from recording my everyday shows so I can watch later in case I wasn't able to watch it when it was actually on TV. I used to record movies to VHS and keep them in my collection. However, it that has to stop I can actually live with it as I have not done that type of recording in years. I just want to be able to watch an episode of Stargate that I recorder because I missed it earlier. If the DRM gestapos start infringing on our ability to record regular shows for later viewing and taking out our ability to pass up commercials, that is where I will start having a serious issue with all this. I agree.
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| Re: My Thoughts said by brooklynman4 :How about if someone records it in tivo and send it over the net ?? If he sends it to himself for his own viewing, a good case can be made that that is legal. For example, you record a show to watch later. You then go to your vacation house at the shore. You pull it off your primary residence computer and copy it to your vacation house computer and watch it there.
But if you record a show and send it to a friend in another city, you are breaking the law.
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| Re: My Thoughts Honest question: Why are TV shows included in this? I get that P2P sharing of movies and music is a revenue issue for the content creators and can therefore be considered theft. However much TV content is freely available via the airwaves, so there is no revenue impact. If I record Monday Night Football, which I can receive via my rabbit ears, and then share it, why would this be considered piracy? | |
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| Re: My Thoughts said by risha1 :Honest question: Why are TV shows included in this? I get that P2P sharing of movies and music is a revenue issue for the content creators and can therefore be considered theft. However much TV content is freely available via the airwaves, so there is no revenue impact. If I record Monday Night Football, which I can receive via my rabbit ears, and then share it, why would this be considered piracy? Because the NFL retains rights for use on their NFL network and on OnDemand offerings for replays later, and for use in clips made into highlight films sold for DVDs and for VCRs(not so much any more), etc. Basically they own the rights to rebroadcast and they and the law sees transmission of the recording over the internet as retransmission. And those comedy series shows would react similarly because if everybody makes their shows available for free online, it reduces the value of their property for syndication reruns.
Now to the other part of the question - why should they care?? And they care because they feel they can still make money off of it even after the original airing is over.
And the 3rd part is what will they do about it if you make a copy and send it to a friend? Probably nothing. But if you make a copy of the SuperBowl and then make it available to others by serving it up from a home server and start telling everyone by posting that info on your own home web page, they will probably go after you. If they think it is costing them income they will come after you.
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by Steve B :I can live with DRM....IF....it doesn't go as far as to block me from recording my everyday shows so I can watch later in case I wasn't able to watch it when it was actually on TV. I used to record movies to VHS and keep them in my collection. However, it that has to stop I can actually live with it as I have not done that type of recording in years. I just want to be able to watch an episode of Stargate that I recorder because I missed it earlier. If the DRM gestapos start infringing on our ability to record regular shows for later viewing and taking out our ability to pass up commercials, that is where I will start having a serious issue with all this. I agree. Me too. In general I don't mind DRM being used to block clearly illegal activity, like someone taking Disney content and publishing it for free, worldwide distribution on the internet (euphamistically called "P2P sharing" by the kids that do it).
What I don't like is the idea that it would be used to block legal "fair use" that is allowed under U.S. law. Hollywood hates these provisions, wishes it could remove them from the law, and in lieu of that, sees technical means that can prevent the exercise of fair-use rights, such DRM, as the next next thing (especially since they got provisions put in the DCMA that makes it criminal to circumvent those technical means, even if it is done in order to enable legal use of the material).
In one of his last interviews as MPAA president Jack Valenti said that the MPAA believes there is no such thing as Fair Use legal provisions. You don't need to make back-up copies, just buy another at full price. We all know that if it was technically feasible, Hollywood would require all viewing to be Pay-Per-View, and playback would stop automatically if the player detected that you got up off the couch and went to the bathroom during the commercials. It's this abuse of technical copyright controls that I object to. | |
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| Re: My Thoughts Is that really set it stone? The last time I read up on that, it was contributed to a glitch. I will say thought it is my "belief" that it probably will come into play at some point. However, that does not mean it will actually happen. Let's all hope it doesn't. | |
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| said by Steve B :I can live with DRM....IF....it doesn't go as far as to block me from recording my everyday shows so I can watch later in case I wasn't able to watch it when it was actually on TV. Digital handcuffs my friend, that's all it is.You're inviting the camel to stick its head in the tent here. said by Steve B : If the DRM gestapos start infringing on our ability to record regular shows for later viewing and taking out our ability to pass up commercials, that is where I will start having a serious issue with all this. As the saying goes once you allow the camel to stick its head in the tent, the rest of the camel is sure to follow.Forget for a moment file sharing, that is the distraction these facists WANT one to look at.
Instead look at the broad brush AKA DRM being used to label and insert total control over sheeple,whether one shares files or not.Talk about Verizon dumping sand in the lube.! Ouch that has got to hurt.Verizon supplies fios then look who they jump into bed with.I guess OOL will not lose as many customers as first predicted on BBR after all.
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| Fear mongering by Disney Did anyone even bother to read the thread, or think for 5 seconds what this is an attempt to do? "Disney will contact Verizon when the company suspects a Verizon customer of illegally downloading content"
The operative word here is 'suspect'. There is no 'proof' in suspect, and if you've been reading about the RIAA lawsuits, you'd realize the last thing the **AA's want is to go to court. The ONLY think that verizon is doing is caving into Disney (home of the 200+ year copyrights), when they legally cannot. This is just a run around manuver by Disney, to avoid having to file a subpeona. All they want to do is complain via one of their media-sentry or 'web wanna be sheriff' goons, and get someone cut off, without ever providing proof.
It's the proof that kills them. In this country, you needed to PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt (criminal), but at least with a preponderance of evidence (civil) that there has been a violation. Where's the proof Disney? Where's the proof that I downloaded Song of the South? Prove it..
They can't, and they know it. They are desperate to avoid being put in the same boat as the RIAA, but they can't get away from it. There's no such thing as a 'tagged bit'. That's been tried for years by cisco. I actually worked with that project, and it was a total failure. Just rarring the files defeated it, and it slowed down the network to the point of unusability. It can't be done with encryption, period. So all the new P2P's are just going to add encryption, and disney is right back where they started.
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| Re: Fear mongering by Disney said by G_Poobah :It's the proof that kills them. In this country, you needed to PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt (criminal), but at least with a preponderance of evidence (civil) that there has been a violation. The main problem with this reasoning is that if you are sued in a civil court in the USA, you are presumed guilty regardless of the validity of the plaintiff's claim. You don't enjoy any of the constitutional protections guaranteed for criminal trials either.
Even if the plaintiff has no proof, you must convince the judge you are not guilty, which often involves significant legal costs. It is for this reason many defendants in such suits settle.
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| Re: Fear mongering by Disney said by pnh102 :said by G_Poobah :It's the proof that kills them. In this country, you needed to PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt (criminal), but at least with a preponderance of evidence (civil) that there has been a violation. The main problem with this reasoning is that if you are sued in a civil court in the USA, you are presumed guilty regardless of the validity of the plaintiff's claim. You don't enjoy any of the constitutional protections guaranteed for criminal trials either. Even if the plaintiff has no proof, you must convince the judge you are not guilty, which often involves significant legal costs. It is for this reason many defendants in such suits settle. WHich is ridiculous, shows perfectly how utterly nonense our legal system has become. | |
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| Re: Fear mongering by Disney said by kamm :WHich is ridiculous, shows perfectly how utterly nonense our legal system has become. It's been like that since 1789! I am guessing the Founding Fathers never anticipated that the civil court system would be abused the way it is now. What is needed is a constitutional amendment which would extend the protections guaranteed to criminal court defendants to civil court defendants. A provision allowing for "loser pays" would also help very much with this situation.
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| said by kamm :said by pnh102 :said by G_Poobah :It's the proof that kills them. In this country, you needed to PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt (criminal), but at least with a preponderance of evidence (civil) that there has been a violation. The main problem with this reasoning is that if you are sued in a civil court in the USA, you are presumed guilty regardless of the validity of the plaintiff's claim. You don't enjoy any of the constitutional protections guaranteed for criminal trials either. Even if the plaintiff has no proof, you must convince the judge you are not guilty, which often involves significant legal costs. It is for this reason many defendants in such suits settle. WHich is ridiculous, shows perfectly how utterly nonense our legal system has become. Yep, Gawd damn! We need a GOOD legal system like they got over thayer in Chine er ona them damn countries like Lybia, er, Syria, er, North "by Gawd" Korea.
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| Re: Disney is not the "Happiest Place On Earth" Not to mention being total and complete hypocrites.
Disney uses others' IP (Intellectual Property) without
permission all the time.
And they happen to be one of the Big 7, part of the MPAA,
one of the most corrupt and venal organizations on the
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So I say to them, **** off and die, Disney. We don't need your
DRM infected crap, anyway.
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| said by Sunsetstrip : I am surprised that their lawyers have not sent you a cease and desist letter for the image that accompanies this news story(I am not kidding ) Maybe it shoulda been Peter Pan ( he fought pirates too). | |
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| Re: Disney is not the "Happiest Place On Earth" it is really good the vid tells the whole truth on copyright.... copyright sucks and stops creativity and taking ideas from one thing and making a completely new thing. Because now it violates copyright law. Even though Walt Disney did it.
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| Pictor Guy
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Why should I pay for ESPN and Disney if I don't use either network? If I could vote with my wallet who would they blame for a bad product? People aren't paying because of pirates? My question is who's the pirate? | |
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| OK, lets see disney content is worth more than anybody else's?
Bah, sounds like a sellout happening here.. but its also an attempt to bite the hand that feeds you.. the customer. | |
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| Re: OK, lets see I think you're right. The story here is not that Disny tries to push DRM (expected), it's about Verizon FIOS so badly wanting TV channels signed up that's its now willing to compromise the privacy of its customers (unexpected, inconsistent with prior behavior, but makes sense if necessary to get channel lineup to compete with CATV).
There are no broadcast flags in CATV, but this "Internet coding" might be something similar in FIOS TV. I might still get FIOS TV since I don't illegally share files, but it's a shame and perhaps a sell-out nonetheless. | |
| Drake34
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| Haha. Yeah does Disney even have anything worth downloading? They become a cookie cutter sequel factory. Once every five years they get an original idea and then tear it to shreds with a bunch of sequels. Once they do they they go back to an older work and do the same thing. The only thing they've had going for them was Pixar. Those works actually worth owning. | |
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...and remember, Verizon wants to do TV, so they can't bite off the hand thats gonna feed 'em. | |
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| Squeezed profits Hmm, I guess the corporate welfare isn't what it used to be.. Disney might have to go with a little less cash. Can't find Nemo? Fight (alleged) piracy.
What it really amounts to is getting cheap and lazy..
Disney USED to be a great company (before capcities/abc purchase), now its just a lazy outsourced purchase mill. No real talent of substance, coming from this company;only some mousecateers gone bad (Britney, Justin) Unprofitable theme parks, etc.
The point is, despite (alleged) piracy, people DO actually pay for GOOD fresh, new content. This is where revenue is, not playing good cop, bad cop in re-transmission agreements for cable-tv service, which by the way is still WAY OVERPRICED! so, who actually was it a bargain for? | |
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