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join:2005-09-28
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| That's not my job. - CWA Motto If you have ever had to deal with a CWA worker from a Clec or ISP's point of view you will understand their motto.
It took 3 weeks and 4 different crews to bring a 50 pair cable into our building for one of our colo customers. That's after we provided a 3 inch conduit from out side the building to their rack with very few bends and their specified pull string. | |
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SteveCon
IBEW 2222 Boston, MA
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join:2004-09-02
Burlington, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto You know, it's whiners like you that tic me off. You and those like you can *always* do it better, faster, cheaper, blah, blah, blah - the list goes on and on. You're quick to point a finger at "union rules" when "X" doesn't happen to your liking.
They're WORK rules. They are the result of NEGOTIATING company and union desires. In the end, EVERYONE got enough of what they wanted to come to an agreement. What is so terrible about that? Do you prefer to be treated like some mindless drone? Do you trust management emphatically with your health & safety (that worked so well in the past that OSHA and the Department of Labor were created and still exist today - ever wonder why)?. Does management put your ability to provide for your family ahead of its profits and stock price?
Do you actually know what the problem of bringing that cable to the colo was - or are you just union bashing for the hell of it? Maybe you're jealous because these guys have better benes and make more than you? Maybe you have been working 45+ hours a week or Saturdays lately for your regular 40 hour pay - and seeing a work crew sent home by VZ because they didn't want to pay OT rates, angered you. You chose an "exempt" position - we however, did NOT. Do you see me complaining about YOUR employment package?
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. You didn't see those guys when the job they had was to replace cables and poles damaged by natural disaster or accident in blistering heat, freezing cold, over night, etc. You see, the climate controlled data center work doesn't happen everyday for these guys - unlike it does for *YOU* | |
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| Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto I agree and I work on the other side of the company. The mangement side that already lost all their benefits! The union guys at our company do a very good job and run rings around cable company employees. | |
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Lets Golf
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join:2006-01-05
Davenport, FL
| CWA workers that I know work well. They don't "screw" the company over either. But I do know some unions, like the autoworkers are unwilling to give a little, which is hurting the companies they work for. I myself am not part of union, and the company does still offer a very good benefits package that is similar to what the union employees get.
All in all, our union techs are top notch and get the job done. They also try to make the company look good in whatever way they can. This particular deal sounds reasonable, as 3.5% a year is barely keeping up with inflation, but the union understands the sort of financial climate telco's are in. | |
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@rr.com
| Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto said by Lets Golf  :CWA workers that I know work well. They don't "screw" the company over either. But I do know some unions, like the autoworkers are unwilling to give a little, which is hurting the companies they work for. I myself am not part of union, and the company does still offer a very good benefits package that is similar to what the union employees get. All in all, our union techs are top notch and get the job done. They also try to make the company look good in whatever way they can. This particular deal sounds reasonable, as 3.5% a year is barely keeping up with inflation, but the union understands the sort of financial climate telco's are in. Now lets see if AT&T will give us anything at all.I am a CWA member in California our contract ends in April of 2009 hope we dont strike. | |
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join:2005-09-28
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| So here is more on the story. They send out an engineer who told us where to put the conduit and what specific type of pull string. He told us anything other than the provided brand/size/etc would mean they would not bring the cable in.
So the day they show up they send 4 guys with a bucket truck. One guy to bring it from the pole, one guy to shout orders and two guys to stand there. So they get the cable to the building and start calling to find out where the other crew was. After 45 minutes I ask what they were doing. They said they were waiting on some guys to come pull the cable in. I asked if they mean someone to pull on the pull string from the other side. They said yes. So I asked why couldn't one of the other guys standing around couldn't do that. They said it's not their job to do that.
Even after that it took another guy to terminate the cable in the building, another guy to terminate it at the pole, and another guy to put up the multi mount, and yet another guy to turn up the T1s to this customer. | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
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| Just like the CWA jerk that put me on hold once while he took his break. When he came back 10-15 minutes later we asked where the hell he had been.
Union Break.
Those of us who work "Exempt" get paid very well for it. If you're dumb enough to not demand fair pay for the hours you know you may end up working then even a Union is not going to help you.
10.5% over three years is not a pay raise. Factor 5% a year for inflation (I consider it 8% cause I do factor in energy and food) and you took a pay cut.
Not sure how fully funded the health care is, but I hope that makes up for it somehow.
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| said by battleop :If you have ever had to deal with a CWA worker from a Clec or ISP's point of view you will understand their motto. as a CWA member that's served CLECS in the old Bellsouth area for 8 years I take offense to that statement. I always do my best and treat my customers the way I'd hope to be treated if I were calling in for something. | |
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join:2005-09-28
00000 | Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto I've come across some good bell techs but I have come across a lot of bad ones. It seems that older bell techs are the ones that will try and help you. The younger ones are the one's that generally follow the "It's not my job" motto. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto I haven't seen a white tie-wrap in a long time. Also I usually double wrap for extra tension across the tie.
You can't dress too well with wax string outside. heh. | |
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footballdude
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO | they caved Ten percent raise and fully paid health care. Verizon folded like a house of cards.
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Yaco
Yaco
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join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ | Re: they caved Correct! I think it is the Health care that Unions are worried about. My union is negotiations too. However we have not had a contract in 2 years. 
Talk about inflation | |
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burner50
Pinlifter
Premium,VIP
join:2002-06-05
Broken Rail
 ·Mediacom
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| Re: they caved We had an expired contract for over 4 years before we setteled on a 5 year deal for 17% and healthcare capped at $200/mo for a VERY good plan.
But we had to give back all the COLA raises we had recieved since the last contract expired...
You win some and lose some.
BTW We Cannot strike. Washington DC would have us back to work hours if not minutes later. | |
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Yaco
Yaco
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join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ | Re: they caved "Taylor Law"here we cannot strike either. | |
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burner50
Pinlifter
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join:2002-06-05
Broken Rail
·Mediacom
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| Re: they caved said by Yaco :"Taylor Law"here we cannot strike either. Railway Labor act of 1921 | |
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Yaco
Yaco
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join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ | Re: they caved  | |
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| | ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
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That's 10.5% over 3 years. Not very much. Only 3.5% a year.
The inflation rate is higher than that.
Exactly right.. our previous contract was a 5 year contract, 2% a year ! So many people on this site was against the worker, its so sad. We, THE UNION, THE WORKERS, only wanted a fair share.
Call us greedy... ha.. people like HOTBOI and SUPERGIRL should be spanked. Ah hell, let'm spank each other, but please dont multiply. | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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·Comcast
| said by aaronwt :said by footballdude :Ten percent raise and fully paid health care. Verizon folded like a house of cards. That's 10.5% over 3 years. Not very much. Only 3.5% a year. The inflation rate is higher than that. And the union sold out new employees as I said they would( »And here is the company's leverage ):
»www.newsday.com/services/newspap···50.story
But workers hired after Aug. 2 will be required to contribute to their retirement health care, and the amount of Verizon's contributions will be subject to future contract negotiations.
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join:2002-04-10
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: they caved Nothing wrong with that. It protects existing workers, while helping to offset costs in the future. It's a win for both sides in some sense, and a loss in others. You can't always have your cake and ice cream too. Companies have bottom lines, stock holders, and profit margins. A company has to balance this out with what they pay and contribute to workers. As let's face it, hard numbers aren't profits. If your company takes in X number (lets give an example 8 billion. 5 or 6 of that might be operating costs. Such costs might include worker pay, benefits, network upgrades, future build out, profits to stock holders, etc etc. So the company then is left with their profit margin of 2-3 billion in this example (not a real number) to play with. As we know, profits can go either way. Companies HAVE to put some aside for rainy days, in case fortunes turn. It's only common sense. This coming from someone who is extremely pro union. More or less its a negotiation and balancing act for both sides and costs. | |
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Captain Caveman
@rr.com | With inflation, it's more like a cut in pay. I guess you would've given a nice 2% raise. With that I'd be waiting longer for FIOS | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Just wait for the wailing and screaming about the greedy corporate executives when Verizon raises rates in 60 days. | |
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PoloDude
Premium,VIP
join:2006-03-29
East Northport, NY | Re: Here's what ended the strike.... Verizon employees do not get free service. They only get a discount on the phone portion of the bill. | |
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viperlmw
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join:2005-01-25 | Congratulations... or I'm sorry, which ever is appropriate. While most of it sounds ok, it's to bad that they caved on new hires. | |
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@mindspring.com
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viperlmw
| Our Contract For those of you denigrating our union workers and the new agreement, I direct you to the treatment Verizon gives to it's management workers. They used to get overtime and free bene's, no more, the more senior managers had their pensions frozen, the less senior had their pensions eliminated. They pay ever increasing amounts for their medical benefits. If you can still be motivated and loyal to your employer after that you must be a sap. When you complain about the service you get remember how the supervisors of all those union workers are treated. Maybe they care whether you get service maybe they don't. Verizon was once a world class telecomm company. Now all they aspire to be is like the competition, namely cable tv. They have actually told us this in a corporate communication. Verizon wants to be cablevision! God help us all. | |
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Buttset
join:2001-11-12
Ladson, SC | Re: Our Contract Amen.
An AT&T Southeast Employee... | |
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Zen6
@rr.com | Why all the bashing Those who are not union choose to be non union. Sure the new hires got thrown under the bus, but they are still better off than most. | |
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