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Verizon Throwing West Virginia Party To Celebrate Own Cunning
Ignoring their decade of neglect of West Virginia infrastructure

Verizon today announced they'll be hosting a special event next Wednesday in West Virginia celebrating West Virginia's portion of the 38 LTE launch markets set to go live by the end of the year. The celebration will involve Democratic Senator Jay Rockefeller and West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin and is by and large a political puppet show that will overshadow Verizon's historical neglect of the state's broadband infrastructure. Rockefeller is the chair of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Technology and as a key telecom regulator, has AT&T, Verizon and Comcast as his top campaign contributors.

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But this goes beyond simple lobbying and political posturing. In fact, you could consider this a Verizon celebration party. After all, West Virginia played a key role in Verizon pulling off one of the most sophisticated cons in recent telecom history.

Verizon has traditionally wanted absolutely nothing to do with West Virginia broadband, which is unfortunate since they sold it. Limited competition left DSL penetration at 60% for years, and Verizon was so disinterested in providing service in the largely rural state, Verizon's own employees complained how they'd been neglecting fundamental maintenance for the better part of a decade. The obvious result was high prices, poor service, and skyrocketing complaints to state regulators about repair delays.

Verizon solved their "problem" by offloading West Virginia and millions of other unwanted subscribers in 14 states to Frontier Communications in a $8.5 billion deal. While Frontier was thrilled to grow, it was Verizon that made out like a bandit. Using a Reverse Morris Trust, Verizon not only offloaded unwanted networks and customers, it saddled Frontier with several billion in debt and all the regulatory headaches that had been piling up from said neglected networks. As an added bonus, Verizon got several hundred million in tax breaks.

While Frontier and Verizon pretended the deal was in the best interest of the consumer -- Frontier is now saddled with so many regulatory obligations and so much debt that most of these customers will remain on slow, last-generation DSL well through the next decade. While Frontier may not wind up in bankruptcy as with Verizon's New England deal with Fairpoint, they're not in a particularly good position to deal with cable and faster DOCSIS 3.0 speeds. As local news outlets note, Frontier will be fixing Verizon's problems for a very long time.

But there's one more wrinkle struggles Verizon partners Fairpoint and Frontier will have to face. Like we mentioned in January of 2009, LTE for Verizon isn't just about mobile. As these leaked exclusive photos in our forums indicate, Verizon's clearly looking at LTE as a serious residential option in their former DSL markets. In other words, the companies Verizon saddled with debt? They now get to have their subscribers slowly leeched by overpriced LTE service that will likely be faster than the aging overpriced DSL service Verizon didn't want.

It's all fairly ingenious on Verizon's part, and none of it could have happened without the help of West Virginia regulators and politicians, who have consistently sold West Virginia consumers down the river by keeping the bar as low as possible, avoiding tackling competition and lavishing Verizon with tax breaks, deregulation and subsidies instead of holding them accountable. So in typical U.S. fashion, next week they get to celebrate their own supposed success at bringing broadband and broadband competition to West Virginia consumers.
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BSD24
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Typical...

Verizon Fios is struggling to stay affloat and i'm not surprised to hear this. Just like they are planning to sell off other phone wired areas of New England and other areas they have been providing phone and other services in. Only a matter of time before we see their next sell off. They sell their lines to Frontier, and frontier has to file bankruptcy. Lets see whose next.

Transmaster
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Welcome to the Club

West Virginia welcome to the Club Wyoming has been on the short end of the stick since the days of Alexander Graham Bell

Zero5
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Re: Typical...

said by BSD24:

Verizon Fios is struggling to stay affloat and i'm not surprised to hear this.
I wouldn't say FiOS is struggling to stay afloat, but DSL and POTS sure are.
patcat88
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There is nobody left. VZ is only urban cities and the rich suburb rings around them.
iansltx
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Re: Typical...

But VZW is everywhere.
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They still have Rural PA to deal with, and with the PA BFRR law, we are forcing them to build out at least DSL to rural areas. (they just completed a fiber fed remote terminal to service 14 DSL users and 70 POTS lines).

MacBridger
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Re: Typical...

The copper is so bad here it won't even support 28.8 dial up...

mikedz4
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Re: Typical...

do you go with cable (is it comcast or someone else)?

rawgerz
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Yup, but good luck trying to get anything over 3Mb :/
dynodb
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Where's the con?

They sold a less profitable area to a willing buyer, but their wireless division might offer some future broadband competition in the region. How is this a "con"? Telcos buy and sell territory and wirecenters all the time. That they might not have upgraded / maintained an area they were going to sell might be a bit cheap, but why dump a lot of money in an area that you're just going to sell?

Let's also not pretend that DSL/broadband is all that's involved- it's just one piece of the pie. The buyer also gets the commercial data circuits (DS0, T1, T3, etc), carrier circuits and POTS lines in addition to DSL customers.

I understand that people from WV might be upset that the prospect of FoiS is gone, but let's face it- they weren't going to deploy it there anyways. They sold the territory for a reason.

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Re: Where's the con?

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Let's also not pretend that DSL/broadband is all that's involved- it's just one piece of the pie. The buyer also gets the commercial data circuits (DS0, T1, T3, etc), carrier circuits and POTS lines in addition to DSL customers.
The business lines and circuits are the biggest money maker for any telco. The problem with all of the sales is that Verizon kept control of all the backhauls--allowing easier access for their cell service to expand over these territories. This was the same reason they bought out MCI--to get access/ownership of their large fiber network.

Not only did they sell Frontier a crappy network, they will be taking many of those customers back when they roll out LTE. The only benefit Frontier DSL would have is if they leave it uncapped. LTE will have faster speeds, but will have tiered data plans with relatively low caps. The customers are left in a no win situation.
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Re: Where's the con?

They might have kept the the fiber backhauls, but that's not uncommon- most big telcos have fiber outside their territory. I know that when I call repair for data circuits that were Verizon's in WV, it's Frontier that handles them.

Frontier can't be any worse than Verizon from a repair perspective- Verizon is terrible. I've lost track of how many times they've returned a trouble ticket back to be closed as repaired (after taking a full 24 hours to dispatch a tech) only to find that the circuit is still down hard with the same exact problem. It happens daily.

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said by Dolgan:

The only benefit Frontier DSL would have is if they leave it uncapped. LTE will have faster speeds,
It is not uncapped, at least not here in WV. I was eligible for 7.1 service from Verizon, but it wasn't worth the extra cost.

Saw on Frontier's website that 6.0 is their base speed, so I call and find out that in my area, all they can do is the same 3.0 I had from VZ.

newview
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Just like Death and Taxes

For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
~Matthew 13:12

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Re: Just like Death and Taxes

OT reply to an OT post: I have never understood why, in the 21st century, people who want to quote some ancient religious book insist on using a 17th century translation. The English language has changed so much in 400 years that when someone posts in Olde English (and they aren't quoting Shakespeare, who after all originally wrote in English), it sort of strikes me as that they want to emphasize the fact that they are posting old, outdated mythology. It's not as though modern translations aren't available, after all.

You wonder if these folks actually believe that if Jesus were to return, he's speak to us all in 17th century English! My favorites are the fruitcakes that put out lawn signs with verses full of "haths" and "thous", as if they think those impress anyone other than other members of their sect (although, I bet those do help keep the door-to-door salesdroids and the Jehovah's Witnesses away).

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Re: Just like Death and Taxes

said by WhyADuck:

My favorites are the fruitcakes that put out lawn signs with verses full of "haths" and "thous", as if they think those impress anyone other than other members of their sect ...
I have to agree with you about the KJV. It can be hard to read, but I have to say, there's something more... I don't know, potent about reading "THOU SHALT NOT ____!" as opposed to "You will not ____."

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I purposely used "Olde English" to illustrate how, even in ancient times, it was recognized that "the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer". Using modern verse and even the aforementioned adage didn't quite get the point across that I intended.

pnh102
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Re: Just like Death and Taxes

said by newview:

I purposely used "Olde English" to illustrate how, even in ancient times, it was recognized that "the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer". Using modern verse and even the aforementioned adage didn't quite get the point across that I intended.
The Bible continues with this theme... teaching us that poverty will always be with us no matter what we do.
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Re: Just like Death and Taxes

said by pnh102:

said by newview:

I purposely used "Olde English" to illustrate how, even in ancient times, it was recognized that "the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer". Using modern verse and even the aforementioned adage didn't quite get the point across that I intended.
The Bible continues with this theme... teaching us that poverty will always be with us no matter what we do.
It teaches us that poverty is a creation of man, not an incurable virus. If a rich man wants to find God and make it into heaven, he must release his evil desire to hoard money by taking it from the poor.

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said by sonicmerlin:

It teaches us that poverty is a creation of man, not an incurable virus.
Poverty (like every other human problem) is a creation of man only because man is fallen. But it is made very clear that poverty in this world will always be here, no matter what people try to do to fix it.

Matthew 26:6-13
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If a rich man wants to find God and make it into heaven, he must release his evil desire to hoard money by taking it from the poor.
Indeed. Such is the story of Matthew, and to be clear, I am referring to the personal story of Matthew (he was a tax collector who got rich by taking from the poor), not the story that he wrote in the Gospel of Matthew.
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said by WhyADuck:

I have never understood why, in the 21st century, people who want to quote some ancient religious book insist on using a 17th century translation. The English language has changed so much in 400 years that when someone posts in Olde English (and they aren't quoting Shakespeare, who after all originally wrote in English), it sort of strikes me as that they want to emphasize the fact that they are posting old, outdated mythology. It's not as though modern translations aren't available, after all.
It's not quite fair to call it 400 years old. Most of of us have never seen a 1611 King James Bible. What most people consider the Authorized King James Version today is nearly identical to the 1769 text. Like Shakespeare it was originally intended to be recited out loud to the masses while modern translations assume at least some reading skills and have been displacing the KJV since the 1950s.

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In comes a corporate apologist...

Congratulations to Verizon! They continue to be a living testament to the vast benefits of capitalism over the need for a universal, reliable access to the Internet. This is gonna be one hell of a party, fellow white men. Bring the hookers and blow!

I mean, come on people, it's not like it's a utility or something. You don't file your taxes over it; you don't entertain yourself and friends over it; you don't access the world's knowledge on it; you don't share and collaborate with others on it; you don't get your news on it; you don't communicate with family members on it; you don't get your pr0n on it; you don't do your banking on it; you don't use it for finding services; you don't use it to book flights; you don't even use it to find your place of voting.

Oh, you do? Well eff you it's not a necessity; you've got it all wrong. Loser. Verizon | Welcome. What can we help you with today?
chgo_man99
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Now what we got is mainly this...

West ... ATT, Qwest territory

Central... ATT

Northeast.... Verizon

South, Southeast .... ATT

And no name telcos in more rural areas anywhere around.
jjeffeory
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Re: Now what we got is mainly this...

West... ATT, Qworst/Century Link/Embarq/Sprint, Verizon
Central... ATT, Verizon, TDS, CenturyLink
South, Southeast... ATT, Century Link Verizon...

...and a bunch of no names that will bill bought out by the above ( See Qwest/Century Link.Embarq/Sprint )

8-)
HJM13
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Breathe in, breathe out, move on...

Harry Mitchell from Verizon here. When the Verizon transaction with Frontier was announced in May 2009, we said the transaction would enable us to focus on wireless, fiber-based broadband and global IP. Well, that's just what we're doing.

The bottom line: Frontier approached Verizon about acquiring these properties, and we reached an agreement that benefited both companies and customers in the 14 states. Frontier obtained solid operations and, judging from press reports, is moving forward with its plans to increase broadband availability. That can only benefit consumers and businesses in these states.
stridr69
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Re: Breathe in, breathe out, move on...

Yours Truly,

Gordon Gekko

old_dawg
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Here's your sign

More of that "HOPE & CHANGE" (tm) ?
sonicmerlin
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Re: Here's your sign

said by old_dawg:

More of that "HOPE & CHANGE" (tm) ?
/troll

Davesworld
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Irrelevant

Verizon Wireless has nothing to do with Verizon, they are and have been two separate companies and likely have little idea what the other is doing at any given time.