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join:2005-04-10
Elizabeth City, NC
| Re: Copper is that Expensive??? And, to top it off, the penny costs 1.7 pennies to make!
With all the pennies out there in jars you'd think the Mint could pay banks $1.20 for every dollar of pennies they collect, the banks could pay consumers $1.10 for every dollar of pennies they collect.
The banks and consumers make 10cents profit on each dollar and the Mint saves $0.50 on each dollar.
A perfect win-win-win situation!
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Forest, OH | Re: Copper is that Expensive??? I cost's over 7 cents to make a nickle | |
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clubs: | waaa What monetary value are the thieves getting out of the copper?
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| Re: waaa It's not just wiring.... The company I work for owns about 100 houses in the metro Atlanta area. In the past four months we've had three outside condensing units stolen and the copper water pipe cut out from underneath two others....
If it is $2.50 a pound that isn't a bad payday for someone to walk off with a 100lbs of copper for a 1/2 hour of work.
I'd really like to catch one of these guys in the act though. I haven't had much target practice this year. | |
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Joshua
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| Re: waaa said by cahiatt  : I haven't had much target practice this year. Lol when you mess with the internet, you're in for it  | |
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Bell System
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Strongsville, OH | Re: waaa Heck yea. They want copper? Give it to'em one slug at a time! | |
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Pensacola, FL | Ben-Wa Balls, especially if gold not silver, are better for us girls.  | |
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fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
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Limbo | Re: waaa Yup. Two cases of substation induced Darwinism in our system in the past 6 months. . .
One moron stole copper out of the same substation 3 times in a row until he chose the wrong piece to cut. | |
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Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| well i had an idea for prevention... well i was think why not find a way to up the pole voltage and then reduce it at the NID. but then i remembered that this wouldnt stop copper thieves as well 50-90v isnt going to scare people who tempt fate and try to steal from the electric company.
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@verizon.net | Re: well i had an idea for prevention... the II's are starving and have nothing better to do. This is what they do to buy their cup noodles. I can't believe this is a headline. What has America become? Since when were people this cheap and degrading to steal a copper line. | |
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Belmont, NH
1 edit | Re: well i had an idea for prevention... >>>>PPS attached and posted below
I work in the telecom industry, and made a lot of money last year selling the used scrap we were replacing. What I did was 100% legal. However, some folks stole everything that wasn't nailed down, including new stock and copper that was already installed.
I have a pps slide show (about 500K) that will detail the negative aspects of stealing copper. If anyone would like to see it, and only if you have a strong stomach, email me @ hovno2002@hotmail.com. If there is a place to post it, let me know. It will make anyone think twice about stealing copper. | |
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Proud Libertarian Conservative
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| said by kruser :Someone stole the copper flashing off of my Aunt's home while they were home eating dinner! They heard this horrible noise and by the time they came outside to see, the thieves were running down the street with sheets of copper trailing behind them. And this was well over 30 years ago! I know many contractors and home builders in my area and I can say that I hear a new copper theft story about once per week. Mostly copper plumbing ripped out of new or rehab construction. At my work a thief stole over $20,000 worth of direct burial irrigation control wire. Turned out he ws caught and also one of my night employees. He had sold the wire for scrap and at that time received just over $5,000 for it as scrap. This was about 1 year ago. He is now behind bars Good thing the bars aren't made of copper.
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join:2005-01-18
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| said by G343 :
the II's are starving and have nothing better to do. This is what they do to buy their cup noodles. I can't believe this is a headline. What has America become? Since when were people this cheap and degrading to steal a copper line.
Quite alot of overtime has been paid to techs to replace the countless cut and steals that happened over the years. For a crackhead, thats a nice chunk of change. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
1 edit | The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. This just proves it, wire stealing is out of a 3rd world country, not the USA. We have a near-3rd world utility infastructure. Maybe if VZ didnt treat WV like a unwanted stepchild ready to be spun off to the likes of Century Tel, people wouldnt treat it like shit, and remember, Fiber optic cable has little to no resale value (you cant fuse/splice together/melt and remake fiber, and when you do, you can do it a limited amount of times before there is no signal left). | |
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join:2005-01-18
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| Re: well i had an idea for prevention... said by patcat88 :The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. This just proves it, wire stealing is out of a 3rd world country, not the USA. We have a near-3rd world utility infastructure. Maybe if VZ didnt treat WV like a unwanted stepchild ready to be spun off to the likes of Century Tel, people wouldnt treat it like shit, and remember, Fiber optic cable has little to no resale value (you cant fuse/splice together/melt and remake fiber, and when you do, you can do it a limited amount of times before there is no signal left). So just drop the copper and put fiber in everywhere, for every company? Ready for your bill to be about $3K a month?
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Jamaica, NY | Re: well i had an idea for prevention... Why dont we use the USF then? | |
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join:2002-10-03 | perhaps.... they could save money in the long-run upgrading WV to fiber | |
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Lakewood, OH
clubs: | Re: perhaps.... thats right pay them to take down the copper and put up fiber ha very nice
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Middieman
Eschew Obfuscation
join:2001-02-05
Elkins Park, PA
| hopefully Hopefully we don't hear about this too often because the practice of yanking down cable and doing whatever is needed to sell it is too much work for little reward.
From a behavioral standpoint, if the theives feel like they're getting something out of it, they're likely to do it again. If not, they probably won't.
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1 Shot, 1 Kill, No Remorse, I Decide
join:2002-07-24
Play_Hockey | copper With the price of copper this is an issue. People can laugh about it all they want however this is a real issue. People are ripping cable down. You would be surprised how much money can be made by recycling scrap copper. | |
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yabbazooie
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1 edit | I recycle I just took a pickup truck load of steel down to the scrap yard and got 65$ for it..
I pick up old water heaters, dryers, stoves, and anything made of metal, once a month I`ll take em down to the scrap yard and get some extra spending cash.. I mainly drive around my area on garbage day and see what metals are available.. suprising how many people throw out large chunks of metal, even in a small 40-50 home area.. (start playing the sanford & son muzak now lol)
and no, I dont rip down cables lol, but the assmunch's can take my copper, i`m on fios woot!
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Middieman
Eschew Obfuscation
join:2001-02-05
Elkins Park, PA
1 edit | Re: copper Yeah, I'm wondering what someone thinks can be gotten from stealing copper cable. What goes from pole to pole for telephone service should be a little better grade than what goes to the house, but it doesn't appear to be much better than what I use for radio equipment.
Yeah, I use balanced and unbalanced line. The most expensive stuff is probably the unbalanced RG8U. And even that is just a little over a $1 a foot for decent quality cable. *No one looking for good quality cable is going to buy stuff off the street at top price.*
20 feet just isn't very much. Most of my cable runs are about 100 feet long. So I just am not seeing where the real value is for 20 feet of telephone cable. (Still trying to find out exactly what does go from pole to pole.)
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| cghh
join:2001-01-15
Milpitas, CA
| Apparently, the price for aluminum is also not too bad. There was a local (San Francisco Bay area) TV news item recently where aluminum guard rails along bridges and such are being ripped out and sold. The highway department advised people that they don't do guard rail maintenance at night, so if they see any late-night "maintenance" being done, they should call the police. | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Re: Copper Futures said by CtrlAltDel :July copper futures are trading around $2.53 per pound. You can buy July futures and control the delivery of 25,000 pounds of copper. But you can also go long or short on put and call options for a lot less. That sure beats busting your back pulling copper off of poles and running the risk of going to jail! Leverage your money and work the futures market. WTF are you talking about? An alcoholic isn't going to be permitted to open a brokerage account an buy on margin. There are no margin calls with stolen copper. | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Copper Futures To assume that all thefts are the works of "crack heads," "alcoholics," tweakers or other substance abusers is short-sighted at best. It's like assuming the same about car theives. Sometimes, they really are organized efforts performed by professional criminals.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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Netcong, NJ
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| Re: Copper Futures said by nixen :To assume that all thefts are the works of "crack heads," "alcoholics," tweakers or other substance abusers is short-sighted at best. It's like assuming the same about car theives. Sometimes, they really are organized efforts performed by professional criminals. -tom The organize professional crook isn't going to do the actual stealing. Drunks do the grunt work. | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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| Re: Copper Futures said by batterup :said by nixen :To assume that all thefts are the works of "crack heads," "alcoholics," tweakers or other substance abusers is short-sighted at best. It's like assuming the same about car theives. Sometimes, they really are organized efforts performed by professional criminals. -tom The organize professional crook isn't going to do the actual stealing. Drunks do the grunt work. Interesting theory... "Don't risk getting caught by using substance abusers who are: A) likely to be sloppy and therefore more likely to be caught; and, B) are rather likely to drop dime on their employers".
I don't buy your rationale. I particularly don't buy it they make use of any heavy equipment to conduct the thefts (why would you risk a capital asset by giving it to substance-abusing flunkies).
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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Netcong, NJ
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| Re: Copper Futures said by nixen :I don't buy your rationale. I particularly don't buy it they make use of any heavy equipment to conduct the thefts (why would you risk a capital asset by giving it to substance-abusing flunkies). -tom »/r0/download/1···hock.zip | |
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| alarm the copper.. Every few seconds they could send out an out of band pulse to see if the copper meets a sensor at regular intervals.. if it doesn't, they know to hit the "911" button and send out the police, and where.. sort of like the ADT, Sloman's shield for POTS Copper bound hillbilly rinky dink (aka legacy)phone system security..
Where are those "wireless" can you hear me now guys? Don't they ever look up at a phone pole? Or is Verizon only concerned with the wireless network? Service interruptions cost money.. I'd want some money off my bill if someone swiped the copper and was left without service for hours or days...! | |
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join:2005-01-18
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| Re: alarm the copper.. said by tmc8080 :Every few seconds they could send out an out of band pulse to see if the copper meets a sensor at regular intervals.. if it doesn't, they know to hit the "911" button and send out the police, and where.. sort of like the ADT, Sloman's shield for POTS Copper bound hillbilly rinky dink (aka legacy)phone system security.. Where are those "wireless" can you hear me now guys? Don't they ever look up at a phone pole? Or is Verizon only concerned with the wireless network? Service interruptions cost money.. I'd want some money off my bill if someone swiped the copper and was left without service for hours or days...! DO you expect them to put a person on every pole to make sure nobody cuts the cable? There are millions of miles of cable out there, you cant watch it all at once. | |
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@verizon.net | Well, in typical NYC style you "want want want." This isn't Verizon's fault, you shouldn't get a discount from outage due to theft of plant.
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join:2003-11-12
Ajo, AZ
| Re: alarm the copper.. Did not know it was getting this bad... i am from West Virgina i now live in Arizona just retired... i spent the last summer in West virginia fixing up my old home place for a summer cottage ...very remote in the center of the state...someone had cut the power poles down to take the steel wires some were axed some were sawed.. since i had not lived there for years a tree had fallen on power lines and shorted out system so they just disconected power a mile or so down the road since no one lived there anymore...did not take the thieves long to move in...really sad that things have changed this much...i blame it on the foodstamp/drug culture that is taking over this country...when you dont invest in what you own you place no value on it or anyone elses ... SAD really SAD!!! | |
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Los Angeles, CA | Verizon problem not residence While this does affect residence/business it affects verizon that much more. So i say if they want residence to keep an eye out, verizon should pay for that kind of service | |
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MD | keep stealing it guys... To the thieves: Steal as much of it as you can, maybe it will speed up FIOS deployment in this area. LOL
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batterup
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| Re: keep stealing it guys... said by Vamp :To the thieves: Steal as much of it as you can, maybe it will speed up FIOS deployment in this area. LOL It will speed up Verizon selling off the great unwashed. No money no honey. | |
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| How much for a pound of glass? This in not new. Every time the price of copper climbs this happens. Now you know the real reason Verizon is running glass cable and selling areas populated by the great unwashed.
Did all of you haters notice that Verizon responded quickly and efficiently to restore service at no cost to subscribers. Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch. | |
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join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
1 edit |  verizon is not nice
They have to restore service to the copper sections. remember The copper lines are still under that goverment agreement thing.
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join:2005-01-18
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| Re: verizon is not nice said by majortom1029 :Well well look who it is. They have to restore service to the copper sections. remember The copper lines are still under that goverment agreement thing. Dont think they are doing because they are nice. I suppose the fact that the customers will not pay them anymore might play into it too.
This board houses the largest group of brilliant minds ever found anywhere. Lets get them to run all the telco and cable companies. Within 6 weeks we will all have free service, with 800 HD channels and 500 Gig HSI! | |
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decin2002
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join:2005-11-09
Belmont, NH
| HIGH Voltage Shock .pps file A must see.......... | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: HIGH Voltage Shock .pps file Would this provide enough insulation (long wooden handles) to cut the HV line? | |
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join:2005-11-09
Belmont, NH | Re: HIGH Voltage Shock .pps file I doubt it, but if we dont hear from you soon we will assume they didnt work..... | |
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| This isnt the first time its been like this. Copper has been high before. 20+ years ago we used to climb the poles along the railroad tracks and cut down the bare copper abandoned telegraph wire that ran for miles. Copper ran up to $1.20lb and between 2 poles we could get about 300lbs. We would pull between 1 and 2 tons a night. Best part was getting caught up a pole when a train came by, or climbing one covered with poison ivy. Dodging rail dicks was fun too.
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| Bums steal cable in Cleveland »www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16740449/ These guys live under the bridge and have been hacking up dead old toll cable.They finally hit one that ws live cutting it and then watching it take off and end up at the bottom of the bridge.Then they started fired in order to remove the insulation...LOL LOL.We said the company should hire these guys because it was no easy task | |
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