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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Raising Rates Digital OTA looks better and better to me all the time.
So far, I've got 19 channels OTA on a pair of rabbit ears (50 dB gain though). Only problem is that I don't get Fox or CBS.
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| Re: Raising Rates said by en102  :Digital OTA looks better and better to me all the time. So far, I've got 19 channels OTA on a pair of rabbit ears (50 dB gain though). Only problem is that I don't get Fox or CBS. Well, get as much enjoyment out of it as you can now! The clock is ticking, and in less than 9 months it wont work anymore (Feb 2009 to be exact).
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| Re: Raising Rates said by wifi4milez :said by en102 :Digital OTA looks better and better to me all the time. So far, I've got 19 channels OTA on a pair of rabbit ears (50 dB gain though). Only problem is that I don't get Fox or CBS. Well, get as much enjoyment out of it as you can now! The clock is ticking, and in less than 9 months it wont work anymore (Feb 2009 to be exact). Analog is going away... Digital OTA is here to stay | |
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| Re: Raising Rates said by AZwldcats :said by wifi4milez :said by en102 :Digital OTA looks better and better to me all the time. So far, I've got 19 channels OTA on a pair of rabbit ears (50 dB gain though). Only problem is that I don't get Fox or CBS. Well, get as much enjoyment out of it as you can now! The clock is ticking, and in less than 9 months it wont work anymore (Feb 2009 to be exact). Analog is going away... Digital OTA is here to stay Thats cool. I didnt even know there were two types of OTA!
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| said by wifi4milez :said by en102 :Digital OTA looks better and better to me all the time. Well, get as much enjoyment out of it as you can now! The clock is ticking, and in less than 9 months it wont work anymore (Feb 2009 to be exact). He said digital OTA (ATSC), not analog (NTSC).
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Valencia, CA | MAke that... I get 19 HD OTA channels with rabbit ears... only about 5 analog OTA
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join:2002-12-15
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| Yeah well programming costs can only be absorbed for so long before it has to be passed on.
Don't really know who u can blame for this.
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| Re: Raising Rates >Yeah well programming costs can only be absorbed for so long >before it has to be passed on.
Ahh blam Congress, especially the current crop of Democrat leaders who are raking in huge amounts of money from media and content providers for continuing to block efforts to end forced bundling.
Verizon and other "cable" operators are still being forced to carry channels, and pay the increasing costs, that nobody wants in order to get access to those we do and their competition like Comcast, Time Warner and other "cable" operators that have ownerships stakes in the content providing companies are reaping the benefits.
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| Re: Raising Rates said by UncleDirtNap :>Want lower rates and more options write your representative and demand an end to forced bundling. Moving to a la carte channel selection will not decrease bills, it will just decrease choice. ESPN (one of the most expensive basic tier channels costs MSOs about $2-$2.50 per subscriber per month). Smaller channels that are bundled with that tier usually get under $0.30 per subscriber per month.
Consider a system with 100,000 subscribers. ESPN earns $200,000 (low end estimate) and small channels earn $30,000 a month. If cable companies are forced to offer a la carte pricing and 50% of subscribers decided that they did not want to pay for ESPN, Disney would either have to make less money (cutting all other costs of running this network) or raise its price. Given that those who wanted to keep ESPN are probably somewhat less price sensitive, doubling their price to make up their revenue shortfall is Disney's most likely response. That means, those subscribers who continue to receive ESPN, will pay more, either raising their overall bill or causing them to drop other channels to make up for it.
Smaller channels will be even more drastically affected. If they are not getting bundled customers their prices will have to increase much more and many will just cease to exist.
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| said by matcarl :They just raised the rates as of January of this year, now three months later they are going up again? No big surprise. Someone has to pay for all of that fiber. There was just an article about how it costs UTOPIA about $2300 to connect a subscriber. I'm sure Verizon's costs are similar.
So there's no way that they're making their investment back fast enough to please Wall Street if your customers are only paying $100 a month. That's two years to recover the cost to connect them and you haven't paid for any programming costs, HSI connectivity or telephony back-end.
This is why FiOS is considered a gamble, and why Verizon may well end up losing their shirt.
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| Re: Raising Rates said by Corydon :said by matcarl :They just raised the rates as of January of this year, now three months later they are going up again? No big surprise. Someone has to pay for all of that fiber. There was just an article about how it costs UTOPIA about $2300 to connect a subscriber. I'm sure Verizon's costs are similar. So there's no way that they're making their investment back fast enough to please Wall Street if your customers are only paying $100 a month. That's two years to recover the cost to connect them and you haven't paid for any programming costs, HSI connectivity or telephony back-end. This is why FiOS is considered a gamble, and why Verizon may well end up losing their shirt. That opinion was once widely held a few years ago, when fios was first being rolled out, but it is not a widely shared opinion now. VZ (and all telcos) were always going to lose reg. phone customers, and they need to compete with cable. Now they can, with better infrastructure than cable. Considering their earnings were over a billion dollars this quarter alone, that is a long stretch from losing their shirt.
Further, with the stock up over $1 today, Wall Street is making their opinion known, although some of that is undoubtedly due to the wireless side. | |
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| Re: Raising Rates I'm sure they've figured out ways to roll out their service for less and less as time has gone by.
It also helps that population density in Verizon's footprint tends to be fairly high.
On the other hand, the fact that no other telco in the US has shown much interest in the FTTH model shows that there are still considerable risks to the business model (though on the other end, Qwest shows the risks of doing nothing at all).
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Tzale
Ron Paul 2008 - Proud Conservative
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NJ, USA
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| said by Corydon :said by matcarl :They just raised the rates as of January of this year, now three months later they are going up again? No big surprise. Someone has to pay for all of that fiber. There was just an article about how it costs UTOPIA about $2300 to connect a subscriber. I'm sure Verizon's costs are similar. So there's no way that they're making their investment back fast enough to please Wall Street if your customers are only paying $100 a month. That's two years to recover the cost to connect them and you haven't paid for any programming costs, HSI connectivity or telephony back-end. This is why FiOS is considered a gamble, and why Verizon may well end up losing their shirt. It used to cost around $1500-3000/subscriber when they first started a few years ago... Recent estimates put the figure at $600-1000/subscriber passed.
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| Re: Raising Rates and it will continue to get cheaper and cheaper to connect a subscriber, while the price for the service will get higher and higher.
wake up everyone, we are in a monopoly/duopoly situation; PRICES WILL NEVER GO DOWN AND THEY WILL ONLY BE STABLE OVER SHORT PERIODS OF TIME (3-6 months).
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Ron Paul 2008 - Proud Conservative
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| Re: Raising Rates said by nasadude :and it will continue to get cheaper and cheaper to connect a subscriber, while the price for the service will get higher and higher. wake up everyone, we are in a monopoly/duopoly situation; PRICES WILL NEVER GO DOWN AND THEY WILL ONLY BE STABLE OVER SHORT PERIODS OF TIME (3-6 months). without competition, prices only go one way...UP Of course it is a semi-monopoly... Verizon has the best service available, they KNOW they can charge for it... However, I have seen the bandwidth / number of features increase in my area due to Verizon forcing the local cable co to really step up its game...
There IS competition, but just HOW MUCH competition is required to keep prices stable? I think it is a false hope to think more competition will keep prices lower... All these companies will just continue to raise prices when one takes the first jump.
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join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | Re: Raising Rates 2 wire line tv, 2 sat tv and free OTA is probably about as much competition as you are going to get in a market. That is 5 options on where to spend your money. Not bad options if you ask me. | |
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Ron Paul 2008 - Proud Conservative
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| Re: Raising Rates said by cwh :2 wire line tv, 2 sat tv and free OTA is probably about as much competition as you are going to get in a market. That is 5 options on where to spend your money. Not bad options if you ask me. I agree...
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chakey
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clubs: | um.... And name me one cable company that does NOT raise prices at least once a year. Par for the course. | |
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| Re: um.... said by chakey :And name me one cable company that does NOT raise prices at least once a year. Par for the course. Once a year is expected, but they just raised them in January!! | |
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| Re: um.... said by matcarl :said by chakey :And name me one cable company that does NOT raise prices at least once a year. Par for the course. Once a year is expected, but they just raised them in January!! And this is most likely because they were selling the service initially at a loss to garner new customers. Once they have you, the rates start going up. Only new initial customers will still get the best rates for a year or two.
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chakey
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clubs: | Oh! I read it as they were increasing rates for the other products that they did NOT increase rates for. If they are raising rates for the same products after just 3 months--that is too much! | |
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join:2007-04-11
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| said by chakey :And name me one cable company that does NOT raise prices at least once a year. Par for the course. Insight does not raise prices once a year. | |
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| Re: um.... I agree,My Insight cable bill has not changed 1 penny and I have had since Oct. 2006
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
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| It's really not a question of rates going up, it's only a question of how much and how often.
I mean, how else are pro athletes going to get their multi-million dollar/year contracts? (That's a trick question. Everything we buy costs more so that Joe Blow can get $20 million this year instead of only $10 million*.)
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join:2007-03-07
Clackamas, OR | Verizowned And when was the last time Comcast raised their Internet prices?
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join:2000-10-24
Harrisburg, PA | Re: Verizowned I was going to switch to fios TV when is comes to my area in June but now I am going to stay with DISH | |
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TechieZero
Tools Are Using Me
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All The Little Stuff
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| said by KYL :And when was the last time Comcast raised their Internet prices? Oh wait. The perfect quote for the perfect argument! I guess FiOS is beginning to not looks so superior when it comes to price, against Comcast that is! | |
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Cabal
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02101 | My Comcast HSI has been $42.95 since 2002. Haven't found a deal that's beat that, yet. | |
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join:2008-03-02
Odessa, FL | Safe For Now This is why I signed a 2-year agreement! No regrets. | |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
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| Re: Safe For Now said by Gary A :This is why I signed a 2-year agreement! No regrets. That just postpones the inevitable. | |
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Verizon blows, Cablevision sucks
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bobjohnson
join:2007-02-03
Titusville, FL
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| Re: Biased reporting said by Bobcat :Cablevision raised my rate by 6.4% this year, but I don't recall seeing that as front-page news. Isn't that the truth... My January '08 bright house bill was 138.94 before taxes and my February '08 bill was 154.84 before taxes and I havent changed anything since 2006.. | |
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Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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| Now we see why the Telcos want into the TV business ... Their sheer unbridled greed was making them jealous.
All those people looking forward to FIOS are going to find it's going to end up being MORE expensive then DSL + VOIP + Satellite, me thinks. Even Uverse, AT&T's not nearly as good as FIOS on the cheap, is probably going to be too expensive.
See this is the problem with the lack of competition. They don't really compete with each other at all. They just set the absolute highest prices they think the market will bear, and then when one moves up, the other follows. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | everyone raises prices Charter has raised prices 3 times in the last 2 years and also reduced the amount of channels you get. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | Re: everyone raises prices Even DISH went up for me $3....
However, they gave me every HD channel they have now, too, so yeah a price raise, but I also got increased service.... and I could downgrade if I wished. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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| said by BF69 :Charter has raised prices 3 times in the last 2 years and also reduced the amount of channels you get. Charter wants to maintain itself as bottomfeeder cable company.
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
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| costs.. I sure miss the days when the various cable networks PAID the cable tv providers to carry their programing. (yet even then, 'cable' TV was way overpriced.
When will the increases (read that as GREED) ever stop?
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Complete Your Transaction
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI |  They must be selling too fast
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join:2008-02-09
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| Re: They must be selling too fast said by dnoyeB :Business 101. If your selling too fast, your prices are too low. They must be raising rates to throttle back deployment. No? Why would any company want to throttle back deployment of their product or service? | |
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Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
| Re: They must be selling too fast I'm being a bit tongue-n-cheek. Self-interested CEOs raise rates to get a quick profit bump. This actually causes a long term profit loss since the side effect is to throttle back acceptance. Of course if you actually can't deploy fast enough to keep up with demand, then its a proper rate hike.
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| said by dnoyeB :Business 101. If your selling too fast, your prices are too low. They must be raising rates to throttle back deployment. No? You really should warn people before posting such things....god I laughed so hard almost crapped myself. Bottom line...Verizon is desperate to show a profit on FIOS and in true telco fashion is doing what they do best...screwing the consumer in an effort to meet that goal.
Keep it up Verizon...at this rate cable looks better and better each day. Just ask all those ticked off customers in the Tampa Bay region. | |
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Kylemaul
Lovin' My Firefox 1.5.x
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join:2001-03-30
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clubs: | a post subject This is why I locked my intro rate in for 2 years. They can still raise it, but then I can tell them where to stick it.  | |
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Scragg
join:2007-09-01
Virginia Beach, VA | lower rates Perfect time for the cable company to bring in a lower rate bundled digital service if you ask me. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| smell what verizon's been cookin... well, this does not bode well for customers out of or nearly out of contract. they will have to weigh their options and consider signing up to the competition. the wireless business is doing gangbusters because many of you are always on the go to one of your three jobs to help pay the gasoline bill and everything else that gets jacked up because of it. it's time for a politician lynching for voting their way into this mess.
this is disappointing though to hear that they couldn't wait until next year to deliver the bad news. IMHO, this should cause customers pause before giving over their hard earned money.. you see, we have distinctly dissonant forces heading for a collision course...
1. Rising energy prices
2. A business model designed on the concept of 'unlimited all you can eat service'
3. A company who really doesn't care if this forces some customers to cancel, who really can't afford it.
What I really want to know is how much longer can Cablevision keep doing it's $29.95 triple play promotion with 2 year no contract lock-in's for?
Surely with this news, Cablevision must be losing money on that deal... | |
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Verizon Raising FiOS Prices Again Soon
Let see if I understand correctly. A customer installed Verizon FiOS Six Months ago and there is no disconnect fee stated in the TOS. Today the customer learns that they must move and therefore places a disconnect order. Verizon feels it is ethical and moral to charge the customer a disconnect fee of $75.00 plus tax. I say Bull Feces. It looks like it is time for another class action suite against Verizon for deceptive business practices. On the other hand if the fee is clearly disclosed and only applies to customers that have installed service after the date the fee is implemented, that would be legal. In reality if Verizon wants to increase the installation cost then they should raise the installation cost not charge a disconnect fee. They do not because a higher installation fee might discourage customers from moving to FiOS. This trick increases the installation fee for a Verizon FiOS customer moving to a different service provider. Add a $75.00 disconnect fee to the cost of installation of the new service and the competitor is placed at a disadvantage.