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 |  Camelot OnePremium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | Re: good idea said by ArrayList:but my cap would stop it dead.
Exactly. You'd need Verizon Fios internet for this to work.
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| | | | Re: good idea said by Camelot One:said by ArrayList:but my cap would stop it dead.
Exactly. You'd need Verizon Fios internet for this to work. Or, maybe a Google network in KC! | |
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| |  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | Will Fontier FiOS work instead? | |
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| | | | | Re: good idea Be kinda ironic to go back to VZ after being dumbed by them on Frontier ... granted at least VZ was interested in providing video service. | |
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| | | | cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | Re: good idea There would be a bit of irony it. But in the end, it's all about the money for me. If Frontier+Verizon TV is cheaper than Comcast, then I'll switch (presuming the service works). | |
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| | Could Get Interesting.... This could be the start of ala carte pull of content from these "providers". We could have a future in that we get NBC content from Comcast and XXX from Verizon or XXX from ATT. | |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 |  Verizon success will depend on content companies
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| flbas1
join:2010-02-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Re: Verizon success will depend on content companies this will open a new set of problems: is comcast going to charge VZW the same way they charged Level3? And, (already stated) - Netflix content and caps.
How can we get into the 21st century with 20th century caps? | |
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| |  r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
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| Re: Verizon success will depend on content companies said by flbas1:this will open a new set of problems: is comcast going to charge VZW the same way they charged Level3? And, (already stated) - Netflix content and caps.
How can we get into the 21st century with 20th century caps?
That make no sense.
Verizon is their own backbone, they have paring agreements with other backbones like Level 3 or ATT.
Comcast pays for their internet backbone and their customers pay for their internet connections. Verizon does not buy their connection from Comcast.
So how could omcast charge Verizon??? Verizon is not using any backbone owned by comcast for them to get charged.
If backbones like level3 do not have paring agreements with verizon or atts backbone they are essentially blocking the internet.
If you have a backbone war then the internet will get much smaller.
ISPs already restrict with caps and now you think they will restrict their backbones? At what point does an ISP become a 'restricted' ISP since they are no longer offering a connection to the internet?
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| | | | | Re: Verizon success will depend on content companies Comcast will probably funnel the FiOS TV through the overcrowded backbone connection like they do with netflix, unless VZ gives them money to get placed on the "good" pipeline... | |
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join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:22
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| Perhaps this is related? I don't know how recent this service had come out, but a look around the Verizon Business website revealed this piece of information:
»www.verizonbusiness.com/solutions/vds/
Almost seems as though they are looking to compete directly with Akamai, but I'm assuming this is their actual platform that they are building up for this TV Everywhere service. Seems to be under the name "Verizon Digital Media Services." | |
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| | | Re: Perhaps this is related? Yes, they're a telco. The executive mindset is that they, by rights descended from on high, should control every step of the transit and every bit of content transmitted wherever possible. | |
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | Re: Perhaps this is related? said by Karl Bode:Yes, they're a telco. The executive mindset is that they, by rights descended from on high, should control every step of the transit and every bit of content transmitted wherever possible.
More like, by controlling every step of the transit, wherever possible, including bypassing Akamai, they have not only quality control, but also predictable costs - so they some margin left over after they've negotiated for content, as well as a cap waiver for their subscribers.
Further, by keeping delivery off the big-I internet, they will avoid the whole "neutrality" nonsense.
The "telco mindset" used to deliver a better product than the "cable mindset". Today, its a push. But I have yet to see anyone complain about having FIOS available, even at the premium price, and VZW continues to dominate the postpaid cellular market in customer satisfaction, even with their never-ending billing issues.
They must be doing something right. If they're willing to invest the big bucks to properly build distribution for OTT, obtain a decent (i.e. non-Moto) STB, pony up to negotiate effectively for content (unlike Google, Hulu, et al), they could very well have a winner.
Someone has to cast the first stone to make IPTV available competitively. Not a little pipsqueak like Ivy, but a major player ('greedy' for you anti-capitalists) who has something to gain.
I'd rather it start with Netflix / Roku / Amazon, but they seem to have stalled. A TelcoTV entity can lead the way and demonstrate how to retire the "cap" debate. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Perhaps this is related? Remember that MCI/Verizon is the largest backbone in the world. They dont pay ANYONE for a connection, everyone pays them. | |
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| | Yeah right This would not work because cable companies would BLOCK it on their network. | |
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| | | Re: Yeah right said by majortom1029:This would not work because cable companies would BLOCK it on their network.
That would be illegal Einstein. Just like Verizon cannot block skype or vonage. | |
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| | | | | Re: Yeah right said by r81984:It would not be illegal and that is the problem.
The government gave in to rich lobbyists and did not pass net neutrality laws.
We have no current way of stopping ISPs from blocking anything.
And any year now, they're going to start doing just that... | |
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| | | | said by Hottop :said by majortom1029:This would not work because cable companies would BLOCK it on their network.
That would be illegal Einstein. Just like Verizon cannot block skype or vonage. Before bashing know what your talking about . It would not be illegal to block it. No net neutrality law exists. | |
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| | |  Vchat20Landing is the REAL challengePremium
join:2003-09-16
Columbus, OH | Re: Yeah right It wouldn't be illegal, but there WOULD be a huge backlash over it if they did and THEN it would likely get the net neutrality ball rolling in the right direction. | |
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join:2006-06-28
Portland, OR | Humm... I can see people in Frontier FiOS territories be interested in this...or is it just me. | |
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| | | Re: Humm... nope, it's not just you, I'm really interested in this too. Hope to see it soon. | |
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:82 | Before anyone gets all excited and everything... This is Verizon we're talking about here. Verizon does nothing unless it benefits Verizon FIRST! Read between the lines and consider all things as this evolves before forming any opinions because it's highly unlikely that Verizon is doing this because they want to be nice and give you what you want...
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| | that's not quite how I saw it... I was at the Verizon meeting that GigaOm wrote about and Verizon was clear that they were demonstrating what was possible, not giving any sort of guidance about what new services they might offer.
In fact, they've been pretty consistent about this because back in Nov., when Flex View launched, VZ did tout the cloud capability of Flex View and really saw it as a customer retention lever, not necessarily a Netflix killer or a way to reach FiOS into other (non-Verizon) markets.
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Going to run... ...on the magical, unlimited, 100mbps bandwidth that exists in a parallel universe. | |
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| | Need to drop Verizon to get Verizon The irony here is that Verizon only offers 3 meg dsl here and doesn't seem to want to upgrade to anything else. So I would have to cancel Verizon service and go with Time Warner Cable internet service to get Verizon video service. My head hurts now.
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|  SeleniaI love DebianPremium
join:2006-09-22
Lanesboro, MA
kudos:2 | Re: Need to drop Verizon to get Verizon Why is that? I use Netflix, Hulu, and more on my 3 meg(best I can get) DSL. While the ps3 streams don't do HD on Netflix at that speed, the Silverlight streams do. Use PlayOn and all of them are available to your TV, cell phone, and nix PCs. | |
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| | Vchat20Landing is the REAL challengePremium
join:2003-09-16
Columbus, OH | Re: Need to drop Verizon to get Verizon said by Selenia:Why is that? I use Netflix, Hulu, and more on my 3 meg(best I can get) DSL. While the ps3 streams don't do HD on Netflix at that speed, the Silverlight streams do. Use PlayOn and all of them are available to your TV, cell phone, and nix PCs.
The biggest problem is all of them other than PlayOn are pre-recorded so they have the different bitrate encodes done ahead of time. PlayOn you use your own hardware for transcoding and likely one stream at a time.
While the ability to do variable bitrate streaming depending on connection speed would be nice in this case, it means Verizon would need to have not just one encoder per channel but likely in the range of 4-6 for each bitrate they want to offer. ~150 channels x 4 and it starts getting expensive. And if they decide to base the internet offering around their FiOS VHO's that adds even more to the mix.
With that said I am sure Verizon will do it if they decide to go that route. For the main reason that, unlike traditional TV providers, internet bandwidth is not a constant. They can say 'Ok, you must have a minimum 10mbit connection' but that is not going to be a constant and there's always going to be some cutouts when the stream can't keep up. As it is, just about every video provider out there either has on-the-fly variable bitrates to combat this seamlessly or gives you an option of what bitrate to run.
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| | | SeleniaI love DebianPremium
join:2006-09-22
Lanesboro, MA
kudos:2 | Re: Need to drop Verizon to get Verizon I am reasonably sure Verizon would implement something like this, like most streaming services. | |
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