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 |   Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Don't look for Fios in rural areas - maybe ever Conjecture. | |
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1 edit | Re: Don't look for Fios in rural areas - maybe ever said by Dogfather :Conjecture. Of course, but experienced conjecture. Based on 30 years of dealing with telcos, their sales staff, & their execs while attending dozens of presentations on futures. | |
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 |   Richard B Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22 Portland, OR | I would say dittos with apartments. I am very skeptical we will see fiber. | |
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join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | Re: Don't look for Fios in rural areas - maybe ever I don't know- Verizon really wants the New York City market, and to do that they'll have to figure out apartments. | |
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1 edit | Re: Don't look for Fios in rural areas - maybe ever said by EPS :I don't know- Verizon really wants the New York City market, and to do that they'll have to figure out apartments. they are already wiring apt buildings in nj. have been for over a year. they install ont's that have multiple outputs, then when a sub goes from cable to fios they simply use the line that goes the the apt. they haven't been installing ont's actually in the apts | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY
| said by Richard B :I would say dittos with apartments. I am very skeptical we will see fiber. If Verizon wants, they can just send a letter to the super that the POTS to a particular building is being retired on XX/XX/XXXX, if no arrangements are made to upgrade the demarc, the building will loose all service b/c of lack of access to the demarc/ROW. End of story. | |
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join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | Re: Don't look for Fios in rural areas - maybe ever And then the apartment building can get Comcast Digital Voice! | |
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 |  |  |  |   Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA 1 edit | Re: Don't look for Fios in rural areas - maybe ever And file a complaint with the local PUC. | |
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| Re: Don't look for Fios in rural areas - maybe ever said by Dogfather :And file a complaint with the local PUC. But if you block Verizon from having access to its demarc or ROW, they will come with the police. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |   Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Don't look for Fios in rural areas - maybe ever No I'm saying a complaint could be filed if Verizon arbitrarily says POTS will be retired on X date. | |
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| Re: Don't look for Fios in rural areas - maybe ever said by Dogfather :No I'm saying a complaint could be filed if Verizon arbitrarily says POTS will be retired on X date. But FIOS POTS is identical to copper POTS. The law doesn't say what technologies are to be used and how Verizon must build and operate the network. Aslong as they offer copper for CLECs they are in the clear. The FIOS ONT is just a mini-RT. | |
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join:2006-04-14 Carlsbad, NM | I totally agree with your assessment. Broadband took awhile to get here and since the phone company will never upgrade their DSL to fiber here, I don't expect the cable company to do so either (give faster speeds). | |
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| Basically they are saying... Not all customers will be able to receive FTTH, and they haven't decided on what technology will be used for those that can not get FTTH. They will have to compete or lose out to cable in markets where FTTH isn't as profitable. I suspect some form of wireless in the 'real' rural areas. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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join:2001-01-03 Chicago, IL | Stop blocking City Fiber then... If Verizon has secretly decided not to build in rural areas those areas should be free to build there own fiber networks. | |
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 |  jester121 Premium join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Stop blocking City Fiber then... Some rural areas are lucky to have money to plow roads and have a county sheriff patrol once a day, and many have very minimal local government at all. Good luck with that... | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY | Re: Stop blocking City Fiber then... Tax more then. | |
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@kentrox.com
| said by XBL2009 :If Verizon has secretly decided not to build in rural areas those areas should be free to build there own fiber networks. Aren't they free to do so at any time they want to? I know of at least one or two tiny towns that put in their own fiber system quite some time ago. | |
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| Re: Stop blocking City Fiber then... said by Anoni Moose :said by XBL2009 :If Verizon has secretly decided not to build in rural areas those areas should be free to build there own fiber networks. Aren't they free to do so at any time they want to? I know of at least one or two tiny towns that put in their own fiber system quite some time ago. In most areas cable and phone companies sue to stop towns from creating their own networks. | |
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join:2001-01-03 Chicago, IL | You can also sell bonds as a way to pay for it over time. | |
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join:2005-09-23 Richmond, VA
| Why is it so tough to string fiber on utility poles? Will the Corning fiber always be too expensive to string on telephone poles in rural areas? I'm not sure you can make that assumption. Granted, burying cable is expensive, but that's not what we are talking about.
I remember when Continental Cablevision hung their cable here. The procedure was almost identical to the one Verizon used to hang FiOS.
Unless someone knows that the cost of the fiber cable itself will never come down, I don't see how you can speculate that Verizon can't eventually have the same or larger footprint as cable.
For maintenance reasons, Verizon has a motivation to replace as much copper as possible. | |
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join:2005-09-23 Richmond, VA | What was the question again? Having re-read the Reuters article, I would really like to see a transcript of the Reuters interview. Just exactly did Ritsuko Ando ask that prompted the "another approach" answer? | |
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| Key point I think the key point here that I have yet to see others address is that Verizon is positioning themselves as THE provider of residential network traffic. It is merely a matter of time before copper lines simply cost too much to maintain and cannot compete with services and speed. So what's the local cableco or other baby bell going to do? run a second fiber strand to every home fios already serves? Probably not since there is no profitability there. The chances of having two companies drop fiber to every home is virtually none. Verizon has wisely been able to get their board and shareholders to agree to the decision that guarantees them to be in business and likely a monopoly into the future.
In 5-10 years when comcast (or whoever) figures out that fios speeds of 150-300 mbit symmetrical for 30 dollars a month cannot simply be affordable on their HFC network, they can try and get their shareholders and board to fork over billions just to add a second strand of fiber to homes already served by fiber, and they would have to come in at or below a competing company (verizon) who's burdened cost will already be much lower... it simply will not happen (unless verizon are idiots).
So all the video, phone, internet providers who's market overlays FIOS are screwed. The race was the fastest to get fiber to the home and verizon is not only winning, but they are the only ones even trying.
In the midwest and west, it's still up for grabs, which company is going to take it? | |
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 |  dynodb Premium,VIP join:2004-04-21 Minneapolis, MN | Re: Key point said by key point :
In 5-10 years when comcast (or whoever) figures out that fios speeds of 150-300 mbit symmetrical for 30 dollars a month... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... thanks for the laugh. | |
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 |  |   hayabusa3303 Over 200 mph Premium join:2005-06-29 clubs: | Re: Key point more like what you been smoking  | |
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@Level3.net
| Re: Verizon: Our Focus Remains On FTTH Verizon can keep their DSL and Fios! They can't offer Symmetrical 100Mbps speeds they already offer here.
Yes, i live in a rural area served by Verizon in "backward" Washington state. Even some little towns with less than 300 people have access to FTTP and all thanks to the local county PUDs. There's at least 3 county PUDs that have built (and continue) all fiber networks straight to the premises.
so, thanks again for nothing verizon!
»www.localtelonline.com/grf.htm
»www.gcpud.org/
»https://fiber.chelanpud.org/euedu/
»www.dccn.net/
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