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01:41PM Tuesday May 26 2009 by Karl Bode
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Several users have submitted this troublesome tale of Verizon Wireless customer service (or lack thereof) in Ohio. According to the Dover Times Reporter, an area-man busted up a local home and then fled the scene after taking "several bottles of pills." When local police began the search for the man after responding to a domestic disturbance call, they contacted Verizon to try and use his cell phone to track his location. However, Verizon wouldn't help the Sherriff until he agreed to pay $20 of the missing man's overdue phone bill:
"I was more concerned for the person’s life,” Williams said. “It would have been nice if Verizon would have turned on his phone for five or 10 minutes, just long enough to try and find the guy. But they would only turn it on if we agreed to pay $20 of the unpaid bill. Ridiculous."
11 hours, two K-9 units, several fire departments and 100 volunteers later the man was found unconscious and in serious condition, but no thanks to Verizon. The man was found just as the Sheriff was finalizing the arrangement to pay Verizon their $20. We've sent an inquiry to Verizon to see if there's more to the story than a service representative being obnoxiously unhelpful. It's not clear if the man would even have the phone on him if the account had been frozen for some time, or if the phone was broken/off.

Update:"Verizon Wireless apologizes for our mistake," says company spokesman Jeff Nelson. "This particular issue has was quickly resolved," he says. "We will work to ensure our exemplary service to our nation's first responders is on track, and we remind law enforcement to use our 24-7 hotline for public safety needs."

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meh

the cost of doing business right?

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Re: meh

If he died they would probably have had zero chance of getting that $20. I would think it might have been in their interest to at least keep him alive long enough to get their money back. Of course, holding the Sheriff hostage works too.
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Re: meh

"...and we remind law enforcement to use our 24-7 hotline for public safety needs."

I suppose that had nothing to do with anything either, right?

The Sheriff calls a customer service line and wants a past due phone turned on? So, if my phone ever gets turned off, I'll just call in to customer service, say I'm the pope, please turn this phone back on becuase it's one of the priests who have lost his way.

As we see, Verizon apologized but also made it clear that the Sheriff didn't go through the proper channels to get done what they needed done.

The way I see it, Verizon didn't apologize nor should they have. The ONLY thing I see that could have been done was that the CSR could have either escalated the call or gave out the number to that hot-line in-case the Sheriff wasn't aware of it, or didn't have the number. (I tend to believe that these law enforcement agencies are aware of how to talk to departments on important matters.. after all they do deal with them all the time)

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Re: meh

The sheriff wasn't asking for them to turn it on and keep it on. He wanted it to be turned on for 5 or 10 minutes. Sure, the unconscious guy is going to run up a huge bill in 5 or 10 minutes.
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Re: meh

I think you are making an assumption that the CSR could do that. Maybe they could turn it on and then turn it off after a few minutes or they may not have that power. In any case I'm certain the CSR doesn't have the power to do that without getting in serious trouble. His/Her manager may be able to do that without getting in trouble (since the past due bill is still there) but I'm pretty sure the CSR couldn't do it. That suggests either the CSR should have escalated the call or the sherriff should have asked for it to be escalated.
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said by CocoaVanilla See Profile :

The sheriff wasn't asking for them to turn it on and keep it on. He wanted it to be turned on for 5 or 10 minutes. Sure, the unconscious guy is going to run up a huge bill in 5 or 10 minutes.
Doesn't matter.. the law isn't above the law. Warrentless wire taps ok? Is it okay for them to use your phone as ANY aid in ANY law enforcement with out a warrent? Lines have to be drawn.. I'm glad Verizon did what they did.. it's not about money. You DO realize that the guy who owned that phone could actually SUE Verizon if they made any change to his account, for what ever reason, later if he decided to, right?

It's not always about the money.. that's a moot argument.
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said by fiberguy See Profile :

The way I see it, Verizon didn't apologize nor should they have. The ONLY thing I see that could have been done was that the CSR could have either escalated the call or gave out the number to that hot-line in-case the Sheriff wasn't aware of it, or didn't have the number. (I tend to believe that these law enforcement agencies are aware of how to talk to departments on important matters.. after all they do deal with them all the time)
Maybe some of the bigger departments but a lot of the smaller outfits probably don't call cell phone providers on a daily basis.

The CSR wasn't aware either or just didn't feel like doing anything about it.

trebzon

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You are completely wrong. Just because he did not have ready access to a specific number does not give Verizon reps the right to be complete and total a55es without any common sense.
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Re: meh

Sure it does! As the law enforcement agencies will say themselves.. "we are a society of rules".. period. End of discussion.

If you wanted the rules broken here, then maybe warrentless wire taps were a good thing after all, right?? I mean, it was for the best interest of the country, right?

You can't have it both ways.. you have a break down of law and order.. and then the lines of what's right and wrong are blurred. No way.. no thanks..

I also don't want law enforcement thinking that a cell phone is a tracking device. The next time they want to catch a guy for unpaid speeding tickets.. you think they should just call the provider and say "track them.. they're law breakers"...? You're asking the same thing.

It may not have been a great heroic story for Verizon on this one.. but I'm sorry.. the ends don't justify the means..

You guys REALLY, and I'm sorry to say this, REALLY need to take a lesson on civics and society issues. We don't do what "feels" right when it comes to these things.. we do what is right.. and Verizon, as much as I SOOO hate them, I'm standing up for them. The "law" is not above the law. You have NO idea what you're asking for and getting yourself in to.. its very clear.

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Re: meh

Your argument is specious. There is no question Verizon would have turned the device on regardless of any legal precedent or rule. The question is not that regardless of your ability to puff yourself up and argue a different issue then is on the table. The issue is that the Verizon rep put $20 in revenue in front of a human life. If you want to propose that this is good behavior then do so but your arguments currently are misleading and obscuring the truth.
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Re: meh

Just becuase you want to ignore facts, laws, and quite honesty, the way life works, is not going to make your argument any better by simply saying it's so.

In many places, there still is no "good Samaritan" laws either.. meaning, if you helped someone on the street in need and what you did caused further damage to them, you CAN be sued for it.

It's nice to sit back in an illusion of a perfect society and say nice heart warming things like "$20 in front of a human life" all day long.. but, in reality, it's not so simple as you may want to. I've said it many times, I've given examples, I've even stated potential downfalls, but people like you come back and attack my "specious arguments" as you say.. while you're focused on the $20 over "a life" (talk about drama and a half here) why don't you, and the others that care to attack me, go back and address the very arguments I actually made. Until then, this "perfect harmony word" you all believe we live in is still going to remain anything but!

Again, and until you address the following, anything you say is simply perfect world Utopian at its best.

1) Would you accept warrant-less wire taps? After-all, they are argued to save thousands of lives.. (I don't support them, however, the argument was made AND the supporters of them believe they HAVE saved lives, but others who disagree say they don't becuase there has not been a life lost yet.. how does anyone know that they did in fact work?)

2) Would you accept the fact that while they can turn the phone on to save a life, what's next? .. turn it on becuase you MAY be someone about to hurt / kill someone else and by simply having Verizon or any company turn on a phone account would be beneficial to save the potential loss of life? I don't know about you, but if some law enforcement agency did that to me with out a warrant, I'd be up Johnny Law's ass in a heart beat with a lawyer for trampling my constitutional rights.. you can't simply bend the rules in one case with out allowing it for others.

3) Verizon gave them the location of the phone. Yet, the article still states that it took all the kings horses and all the kings men to find this guy. The story alone stinks and is over exaggerated. Why would they need the phone turned on? Besides, if your telephone was turned off for non-payment, and unless it happened in the last hour or two, which I doubt, do YOU carry a phone with out that is not in service?

4) You're saying that it's Verizon who is at fault here with the who issue.. it was, let me see.. "CORPORATE GREED".. right? It was CG that once again, got in the way between this so-called Good and Evil argument that people here believe exists.

The bottom line, the more and more people like you come in with this Utopian view and argument on how we should simply break rules, policy, procedure, and LAW becuase of someone's JUDGMENT CALL, or LACK OF FOLLOWING THE LAW (and not violating the rights of the very person they wanted the phone turned on of) the more and more I'm standing proud behind Verizon for "doing the right thing"..

Johnny law needs to follow the rules. PERIOD. I would GUARANTEE that you are of the same mentality that stood up after 9/11 and the patriot act stating that we should not give up our freedoms in the name of terrorism. To give up freedoms is to give up liberty.. right? I mean, with the argument you're making now, about Johnny law getting to demand something with out following the very protections we have in place (that the patriot act violated) you're asking them to do now.. So, I can only assume that you MUST support the Patriot act as well, right?

Simply put, you can't have it both ways... not in a society of laws. The MOMENT you cross those lines, you open yourself and the rest of us up to more over reaching powers.

I'm sorry to say this.. but, if the guy died.. oh well! Yup! I said it! OH WELL! We as people are NOT perfect. People die all the time. It's a simple fact of life. Remember our friend Darwin? I like him a lot! The fact remains that we try to legislate perfection. We try to ensure that we can always do the right thing.. that all lives will be saved. This is nothing more than a pipe dream. We try to save lives and we have seat belt laws. (I disagree with them. I am on the camp that believes that seat belts can also KILL you too) We can not ensure every life will be saved.. sorry.. yea, I'm cold hearted.. but, if we didn't have cell phones, this would be a moot point. How else would Johnny law have saved the man that day? .. by doing exactly what they did, as it should be.

If it's ok for them to bend the rules this time, what about next? when does it stop? .. it stops now. I believe in the constitution and it's purpose to limit the hands of the law. WE grant the powers to the government, .. they are not there for them to take. If a life is lost over this.. sorry.

Now, attack away and tell me how horrible a human I am.. becuase if you believe so.. go for it! I'm proud to be who I am!
IanR

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What's weird is that I be;ieve you can use any phone, whether is service or not, to make a 911 call. If that's so why did Verizon try to charge the Police for merely switching the phone on for 5 minutes?

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said by IanR See Profile :

What's weird is that I be;ieve you can use any phone, whether is service or not, to make a 911 call. If that's so why did Verizon try to charge the Police for merely switching the phone on for 5 minutes?
All Cellphones are REQUIRED to be able to call 911 even if they are otherwise disabled. There is no need to activate the phone's account for incoming or outgoing calls just to locate it. Verizon can look up the phone's location so long as it is powered on and get the cell tower it is handshaking with. If needed they can CALL the phone to get the handshake if needed (I do not know if the phone account being deactivated disables the handshake but I doubt it since to make the 911 call you'd need a dial tone and communication with the tower).

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So

Verizon can now turn on a phone remotely?

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Re: So

Tracing GPS signal is 1 thing but turning on a phone remotely is just creepy (if its true that they can do it).
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I think they meant to re-activate the account from suspension.

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said by Cheese See Profile :

Verizon can now turn on a phone remotely?
No, but if that was stated, it could be Verizon-bashing-time, now could it ?

The linked article simply states his bill was overdue by $20. If that's the case, his service very likely could have still been on and not actually disconnected, in which case why would he have the phone with him or turned on if it were shut off ?

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said by Cheese See Profile :

Verizon can now turn on a phone remotely?
I also wonder how confident the police were that the guy was carrying his cellphone. Given he didn't pay his bill, what's the use carrying it around if it can't make calls? The only call it could have made was to 911, in which this person didn't ever make.

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Re: So

said by burgerwars See Profile :

The only call it could have made was to 911, in which this person didn't ever make.
Tough to do while unconscious.
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said by burgerwars See Profile :

said by Cheese See Profile :

Verizon can now turn on a phone remotely?
I also wonder how confident the police were that the guy was carrying his cellphone. Given he didn't pay his bill, what's the use carrying it around if it can't make calls? The only call it could have made was to 911, in which this person didn't ever make.
I've known several people who still carry around a disconnected cell phone just so they have access to the phone numbers they have stored in it, in case they have to call from someone elses phone.
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cant happen

verizon can not turn a phone on remotely.
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Re: cant happen

They cannot power the phone on remotely but they can enable or disable the CMDA network accepting the signal from the phone.

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said by BuzzDar See Profile :

verizon can not turn a phone on remotely.
You are right. They can turn service back on, but not power up the phone. If service was already disconnected, the man probably didn't have the phone either with him or turned on anyway.

And isn't an important point not mentioned - did the police have a court order to track the phone even if it was powered on and the service on.
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Re: cant happen

said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

said by BuzzDar See Profile :

verizon can not turn a phone on remotely.
You are right. They can turn service back on, but not power up the phone. If service was already disconnected, the man probably didn't have the phone either with him or turned on anyway.

And isn't an important point not mentioned - did the police have a court order to track the phone even if it was powered on and the service on.
Waiting for a court order while somebody's life hangs in the balance is wrong ( in an immoral sense).

LIFE > LAW

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Re: cant happen

"Waiting for a court order while somebody's life hangs in the balance is wrong ( in an immoral sense"

This was stated where in the article?
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said by woody7 See Profile :

"Waiting for a court order while somebody's life hangs in the balance is wrong ( in an immoral sense"

This was stated where in the article?
I find it amazing you can't figure out who i was replying to.

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said by DataRiker See Profile :

said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

said by BuzzDar See Profile :

verizon can not turn a phone on remotely.
You are right. They can turn service back on, but not power up the phone. If service was already disconnected, the man probably didn't have the phone either with him or turned on anyway.

And isn't an important point not mentioned - did the police have a court order to track the phone even if it was powered on and the service on.
Waiting for a court order while somebody's life hangs in the balance is wrong ( in an immoral sense).

LIFE > LAW
If you're using that kinda logic, I'd be interested in hearing your views on torture...
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Re: cant happen

said by tiger72 See Profile :

If you're using that kinda logic, I'd be interested in hearing your views on torture...
I advocated helping a person in trouble, and you mentioned torture.

I think someone needs to check their own "logic"

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said by DataRiker See Profile :

said by tiger72 See Profile :

If you're using that kinda logic, I'd be interested in hearing your views on torture...
I advocated helping a person in trouble, and you mentioned torture.

I think someone needs to check their own "logic"
the logic used to justify torture is identical to the logic you used to justify not using court orders (which wouldn't be needed in this case anyways): "LIFE > LAW".
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No court order needed in these circumstances.

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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

And isn't an important point not mentioned - did the police have a court order to track the phone even if it was powered on and the service on.
Probable cause. There was an immediate danger of loss of life.

If a police office sees blood on a door, he does not need a court order to go into a house.
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They might could. Of course if the battery is out of it then nothing they have put in place will work. They probably don't even need the phone in the fully on state to triangulate it's position. My guess is it was corporate greed trying to lower their debt some.

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Erm....

If the guy's phone bill was not paid and he couldn't use it why would he have the phone on him in the first place? Wouldn't it be a bit useless to him not to be able to make or receive calls?
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Re: Erm....

Perhaps he thought he would use it to call 911:) You can do that from a disconnected phone.

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said by stufried See Profile :

Perhaps he thought he would use it to call 911:) You can do that from a disconnected phone.
Yah that used to amuse me when I was 12YO
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said by kdwycha See Profile :

If the guy's phone bill was not paid and he couldn't use it why would he have the phone on him in the first place? Wouldn't it be a bit useless to him not to be able to make or receive calls?
Some people have an irrational attachment to these devices. I see it every day.

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$20 vs. 11hr snad 100 volunteers?

"11 hours, two K-9 units, several fire departments and 100 volunteers later the man was found"

The cop couldn't fork over a personal credit card to pay $20???? Nah, better to spend who knows how much money and 11 hours of people's time...

The cop should be fired.
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jblake

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privacy, anyone?

I'm more concerned that Verizon was even entertaining the idea of giving out account information to a non-authorized party without a warrant.

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said by jblake See Profile :

I'm more concerned that Verizon was even entertaining the idea of giving out account information to a non-authorized party without a warrant.
In response to you and aaronwt See Profile, that would have been a different issue altogether is that is what was brought up. Unfortunately, Verizon/rep decided that $20 was more important than a person's life and the whole legality issue in a non-issue in this case.

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Is a warrant needed?

Didi they have a warrant to trace the cell phone?
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Re: Is a warrant needed?

said by aaronwt See Profile :

Didi they have a warrant to trace the cell phone?
A warrant is not needed to "trace" your cell phone. Our local dispatch centers can triangulate the lat/long location of a cell phone using the cell towers. Pranksters who use deactivated phone are not as safe as they think. An azzhat student at the school I work at kept calling in fire and death threats to the school from an old cell phone. Since we had a suspicion it was this particular student, he was called down to the office and searched. Lo and behold a cell phone whose IMEI number matched the callers info. Needless to say, he took a trip to the Grey Bar Hotel for a while.

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Comments on the story linked above show a bit more detail

newportson 3 days ago

Here are the facts of this story, which the reporter didn't bother to get right:
1. missing man was in his 20s; 2. he had overdosed on pills; 3. he beat up his 62 year old father; 4. he was only missing for 3.5 hours; 5. he called police at midnight on 911; 6. verizon did provide the police the best locational information available; 7. the missing man's phone was a prepaid phone that had run out of minutes so it was inoperable without more minutes being added; 8. verizon shouldn't have worried about the $20, but neither should the police...it's $20 bucks!; 9. the police don't have GPS locating capability for 911 calls because the county hasn't paid for it yet; 10. the Sheriff's comments were, surprise, taken out of context.
So, the real culprit in this story seems to be the reporter for getting so much wrong!!!

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Re: Comments on the story linked above show a bit more detail

said by Niarlan See Profile :

newportson 3 days ago

Here are the facts of this story, which the reporter didn't bother to get right:
1. missing man was in his 20s; 2. he had overdosed on pills; 3. he beat up his 62 year old father; 4. he was only missing for 3.5 hours; 5. he called police at midnight on 911; 6. verizon did provide the police the best locational information available; 7. the missing man's phone was a prepaid phone that had run out of minutes so it was inoperable without more minutes being added; 8. verizon shouldn't have worried about the $20, but neither should the police...it's $20 bucks!; 9. the police don't have GPS locating capability for 911 calls because the county hasn't paid for it yet; 10. the Sheriff's comments were, surprise, taken out of context.
So, the real culprit in this story seems to be the reporter for getting so much wrong!!!
Where is the link to your source that backs up your information? From what I can find online, the original DSL Reports story is accurate. Are you someone personally involved, and if so, are you willing to identify your involvement?

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Re: Comments on the story linked above show a bit more detail

As posted, this was in the comment section of the original story.

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Re: Comments on the story linked above show a bit more detail

I see it now. Well, since it was in comments, it must be the truth.

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FCC regulations

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that 911, including e911 with aGPS worked on every cell phone, including completely deactivated ones.

If Verizon refused to provide emergency service because of an unpaid bill, it is quite possible that they are in violation of FCC regulations.

It also seems as though there are a lot more facts to this story that we're missing.

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20 seconds

i was going to make a thoughtful post on this, but i can't spare the 20 seconds it would take for a response... NEXT!

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Hey Sheriff,

can you hear PAY me now?

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Curious...

Whether the police phoned in to Verizon or went by a local office? I would think it would be pretty easy to get a court order to do what they wanted.

As it is if they just called in the Verizon rep doesn't know who you are and will assume you're trying to scam them, thus saying NO.

Same thing goes for when you're turning up cable on your apt and they want you to pay for the last tenant's unpaid bill. It's total and complete crap but it's what they do.

FAIL.
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Re: Curious...

said by GlobalMind See Profile :

Whether the police phoned in to Verizon or went by a local office?
I suspect the answer to a lot of this confusion revolves around this statement from the press release:

quote:
and we remind law enforcement to use our 24-7 hotline for public safety needs.
I'm guessing the hotline to which they refer is not the public Verizon number.
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Re: Curious...

said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

I suspect the answer to a lot of this confusion revolves around this statement from the press release:

quote:
and we remind law enforcement to use our 24-7 hotline for public safety needs.
I'm guessing the hotline to which they refer is not the public Verizon number.
I suspect you're correct there.
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jjoshua
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Scotch Plains, NJ

BS

The authorities should have requested a court order.

Verizon should not be making exceptions.

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Hpower
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Glendale, CA

Unpaid bill

LOL wtf @ not helping till $20 unpaid bill is paid. Wow that's just funny and sad.
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KrK
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I mean what can you say....

Why does this not surprise me... it's ridiculous. Now imagine if he owed $500.....

Verizon acted like idiots----- even worse, they potentially set them selves up for liability in civil suits based on the outcome.
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Maggs
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Woodside, NY

Obstructing a police officer

The cop shouldn't have to fork over $20. Verizon should do it for free.

Nightshade
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Salem, OR

Sheriff Should of Threaten Charges

So Verizon wouldn't activate a suspect's cell phone unless the Sheriff payed the 20 dollar phone bill.

If I was that Sheriff I would of told Verizon to turn that phone on or face charges of interfering in a police investigation and obstruction of justice.
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expert007

join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY

People stop your griping....

It's very clearly stated in the Verizon TOS:

"If your bill is overdue, and your health or life is at risk, it is the responsibility of local law enforcement to pay the minimum amount due to restore service. Note that we are a FOR profit company"
mdh218

join:2005-06-28
Madison Heights, MI

something else not correct...

in almost all large companies, authorities have ways to communicate with them not via the 1.800 "i'm an idiot and can't do this" phone number but with a restricted/private line for this sort of thing.

same with credit card scams. you don't think cops/feds call the number on the back of cards do you? when you call, is one of your menu options "if you are the police, please press 7" do you?

so if this cop called the normal 1.800 number, then the CSR did what he/should have done...can't help you until unpaid balance is paid. what, is a CSR phone jockey in India going to know you are a cop?

Hall
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Dayton, OH
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Re: something else not correct...

said by mdh218 See Profile :

in almost all large companies, authorities have ways to communicate with them not via the 1.800
I was thinking the same thing. How does the phone rep know who's calling ? They don't. Anyone can claim to be a law enforcement officer and "demand" a phone be re-activated. What's to stop a customer from doing this ?

N3OGH
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Re: something else not correct...

The deputy would co ordinate the communication through the County's 911 center.

The deputy would contact Verizon, have them contact the dispatch center through a published number, or possibly from Verizon's database. The dispatcher can verify that Verizon is speaking to a real Deputy.

Same Idea works for you ladies out there that may get stopped by an unmarked car in the dark of night. Call 911 from your cell phone, and tell them what's going on. Give them your tag number (as the officer should have given it to the dispatcher when he/she made the stop) and 9 times out of 10 they can verify if that's actually the fuzz sitting behind you.
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Re: something else not correct...

Sounds like a lot of extra work to verify who the rep is actually talking to. Why not just call the official unpublished hotline for police business? There is a reason this number exists and they are probably setup to handle verifications of callers.

I work in the business. If a cop shows up at my door and wants me to do anything with a customers line, I will demand a warrant. I stand to lose my job if I don't follow the rules. There is a reason the rules exist in the first place. After all, the last time someone in the telecom industry failed to follow the rules, we were talking about the Bush wiretapping fiasco. We can't have it both ways.

MemphisPCGuy
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What's to prevent a Verizon employee from turning on his buddies overdue phone? Maybe the system is setup to "require" a minimum payment before it can be reactivated to prevent abuse by employees.
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ahhhhhhhhhhh

@charter.com

maybe the cop should of hung up and tried another agent.

thats all
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