  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | Nice one Cherry picking backfired. All those people that wanted the service, now will be forced to downgrade to DSL or cable. | |
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|  darciliciousCyber LibrarianPremium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
kudos:1
 ·Frontier FiOS
| said by baineschile:All those people that wanted the service, now will be forced to downgrade to DSL or cable. You're wrong. But thanks for playing! | |
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join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | When my FiOS internet was installed I was shocked at the amount of times I got called making sure everything was ok.
The installer called me and gave me his number, his boss called me, and someone at the main Verizon center called me. Just wanted to make sure everything was ok
Shocking....I expected the Cox Cable treatment of installing and running | |
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| darciliciousCyber LibrarianPremium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Frontier FiOS
| Re: When my FiOS internet was installed I was shocked said by Van:at the amount of times I got called making sure everything was ok. The installer called me and gave me his number [...] Ditto. And that was two years ago. | |
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4 edits | Could it be a reaction to a Cableco marketing campaign?
From June 2009, from darcilicious
»Re: Verizon Sells Huge Chunk Of Network To Frontier
Is Comcast running a media campaign now against Verizon FiOS in Fort Wayne(IN), Oregon, and Washington ?
Also, what's the point of Verizon doing this NOW? If sale goes thru in next few months, why do they care?
Where's the pressure for Verizon to do this?
And, why isn't Verizon offering this "Service Commitment" to ALL Verizon FiOS customers everywhere?
Maybe, this is test marketing for the the "Verizon Service Commitment". If it goes well, they can roll it out to their more permanent FiOS customers. If it goes badly, they've only offended the techs(who will be Frontier techs soon) and a few customers(who will be Frontier customers soon). | |
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|  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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| Re: Could it be a reaction to a Cableco said by Bob61571:Is Comcast running a media campaign now against Verizon FiOS in Fort Wayne(IN), Oregon, and Washington ? Why would Comcast bother with that? it won't be Verizon much longer. They may be working on anti Frontier ads now.
said by Bob61571:Also, what's the point of Verizon doing this NOW? If sale goes thru in next few months, why do they care? Where's the pressure for Verizon to do this? And, why isn't Verizon offering this "Service Commitment" to ALL Verizon FiOS customers everywhere? The pressure is the Verizon wireless name will still be in use in those areas, leaving the the impression that Verizon is a flyby night/ running away, could leave a bad taste, and damage their wireless prospects through out a HUGE territory.
They want to appear sensitive to past, current and future customers needs. | |
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| | Mark F
join:2007-08-01
Fort Wayne, IN | Re: Could it be a reaction to a Cableco Comcast is running full page newspaper ads here- "Feeling Abandoned By Verizon".
And, they are sending out letters basically saying that we may think we have it better than Comcast, but it won't be that way after Frontier takes over.
Of course, even though know one knows exactly how this whole thing will play out, Comcast wants to sign up new (and former) customers by saying that sticking with Verizon may be a bad idea.
So, yes, Comcast is running an anti-Verizon campaign in the media. At least in Fort Wayne. They want to get as many FIOS subscribers to switch to cable as they can, just in case things aren't as bad with Frontier as they want us to think they will be.
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join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA |  Verizon is just handling Business!
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| | | Re: Verizon is just handling Business! said by alchav:. Verizon does not want to lay anymore new Copper, and it also wants to make room in the Central Offices for FiOS Equipment, and get rid of the old Copper Equipment. People just want the cheapest High Speed, and really don't care on how it comes to them. So Verizon is duping them and getting Billions of Dollars, it's all Business! Make room in the Central Office for FiOS equipment??
The modern day CO is a cavern, a shell of what they used to be.
FiOS equipment could practically fit into one of the many CLEC cages. | |
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join:2001-10-04
Houston, TX | Tech nightmare quote:
Apparently it involves FiOS getting the personal phone number of the Verizon technician who did their installation.
This is terrifying to Techs.... Just imagine the volume of calls they will get only because "ping" is over 100ms... Tech getting interrupted during another install, then the customer getting service installed gives bad review because he answered the phone and helped another customer...
This is just not going to work. This will cost them more than the money they will generate out of those customers, but i am sure that the one making this decision is am over paid dumb ass in need for a new beach house in the Bahamas. | |
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|  PoloDudePremium,VIP
join:2006-03-29
Northport, NY
kudos:2 | Re: Tech nightmare Just because the tech gives out a number, Doesn't mean he has to answer it. | |
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1 edit | Re: Tech nightmare If WE do our jobs with QUALITY and proper instructions to the customer then there should be no reason for the customer to have to call US. We have been doing this since in Florida Sept '09 and I have probably handed out well over 100 cards and have only had a few call me back. And my repeats are less than 2% so I know they are not calling into the FSC.
POLO, I know your kidding. I hope !!! | |
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| | | | | Re: Tech nightmare said by ramslt8:If WE do our jobs with QUALITY and proper instructions to the customer then there should be no reason for the customer to have to call US. We have been doing this since in Florida Sept '09 and I have probably handed out well over 100 cards and have only had a few call me back. And my repeats are less than 2% so I know they are not calling into the FSC. POLO, I know your kidding. I hope !!! Seriously? You think doing a "quality" install means that they won't call you when there's outages, when their pc nic gets messed up, when their surround sound "pops", when their tv gets on the wrong input and are too confused to figure it out.........
I am all for a "quality" install, but NO MATTER how good a job you do, there will ALWAYS be ones you cannot please. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Tech nightmare I agree, there is always that 1 or 2 but overall I hardly ever get a call. However they will call me if they want to add a set top box or something which I have no problem with. | |
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join:2009-06-09
Washington, DC | Poor Techs This can't be a good thing for all of the techs out there who are now going to be getting flooded with calls by Verizon customers about issues that have no relation to their internet connection on their own personal lines. | |
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|  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:1 | Re: Poor Techs Hello, Verizon tech that was just at my house?
Yeah, could you tell me if the little green connector that goes into the big black connector will burn my retina's if I hold it up to my eyes? I don't see any light coming out of it.
I know it said "craft access only" but I just couldn't resist 
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And why would Verizon techs whose jobs were ended at Verizon and maybe moved to Frontier want to answer those promises. All those techs whose jobs were transferred will most likely switch their personal phone numbers so as to not be bothered with calls from annoyed customers. And who says they will all even have jobs at Frontier?
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|  tim_kButtons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, KaseyPremium,VIP
join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
kudos:13 | Re: Comments from techs with Verizon giving out phone # ?? said by fAcEtIOUs:All those techs whose jobs were transferred will most likely switch their personal phone numbers so as to not be bothered with calls from annoyed customers. And who says they will all even have jobs at Frontier? Each field tech is issued a cell phone so it's up to Frontier whether to change phone service.
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join:2008-04-30
Middleboro, MA | they are losing money they are losing money with FIOS.. verizon is in dire need of saving money somewhere.. FIOS is causing verizon to bleed money out with soo many unexpected issues with their fiber lines including the fact that they have to be replaced sooner than they expected and all the other issues.. besides fiber optic has a fixed bandwidth, so if they reach it, thats it.. Cable which uses hybrid/fiber-coax has much more possibilities as technology for it continues to come out. Coax has as much bandwidth as the technology allows, unlike fiberoptic lines that are fixed based on the wire not the technology (software)... So i would expect Cable providers to pass FIOS at some point on bandwidth available..
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| tito79
join:2010-03-14
Carmel, NY
2 edits | Re: they are losing money There losing more money now that storm hit the northeast a couple of weeks ago replacing thousand of fiber lines | |
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| | cptmilesPremium
join:2004-04-22
Swayzee, IN | Re: they are losing money Insurance claim! We are paying for it in premium increases. | |
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|  PhoenixDown-- Wants FIOSPremium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | Where did you dream that up? Verizon had an extensive fiber network long before Fios every became a buzz word. They know what the costs of deployment and maintenance are to a T.
As for growth -- copper is limitation here, not the fiber. Cable can't scale bandwidth as quickly as FIOS can.
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| You, sir, are full of crap. How much bandwidth is available on cable plant? Now compare that to 10GPON, which Verizon will deploy sooner rather than later: 10 Gbps down, 2.5 Gbps up.
Let me do the math for you.
1GHz cable plant: 160 6 MHz downstream channels plus a couple of upstream channels. 160 * 38 Mbps per channel = 6080 Mbps...if you dedicated the ENTIRE spectrum to cable internet (no TV channels at all). That's shared among a couple hundred users. 10GPON is shared among just 32-64 users, if not less. | |
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join:2009-06-12
Apollo Beach, FL
2 edits | "Cable which uses hybrid/fiber-coax has much more possibilities as technology for it continues to come out. Coax has as much bandwidth as the technology allows, unlike fiberoptic lines that are fixed based on the wire not the technology (software)"
WTF are you talking about? Even the best cable technology cant match the bandwidth GPON provides. By the time it can I am sure 10GPON or some other new optical network standard will be available to homes. | |
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| | | said by BSD24:they are losing money with FIOS.. verizon is in dire need of saving money somewhere.. FIOS is causing verizon to bleed money out with soo many unexpected issues with their fiber lines including the fact that they have to be replaced sooner than they expected and all the other issues.. besides fiber optic has a fixed bandwidth, so if they reach it, thats it.. Cable which uses hybrid/fiber-coax has much more possibilities as technology for it continues to come out. Coax has as much bandwidth as the technology allows, unlike fiberoptic lines that are fixed based on the wire not the technology (software)... So i would expect Cable providers to pass FIOS at some point on bandwidth available.. You, my friend, are very VERY mis-informed. Comcast, er*cough* Xfinity has brainwashed you. | |
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| common sense Even though Verizon isn't going to serve those customers.. hopefully as part of the agreement, Frontier will continue to see the value of leaving in-place the FTTP build and possibly expanding upon it in the future. Verizon shouldn't be allowed to GUT the re-laid fiber, centeral office equipment and other backhaul within the regions they are selling. If that's the case, it would be a deal breaker and a red flag to regulators. Fiber to the home is here to stay and be expanded. Until frontier either files bankruptcy or get some badly needed funding to expand those homes which have existing fiber are like "GOLD".
All telcos must be committed to Fiber in the last mile even if its a vastly scaled back version going block by block, house by house out from the central offices or even a lottery system to determine who gets the next wave of funded deployments. | |
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| darciliciousCyber LibrarianPremium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Frontier FiOS
| Re: common sense said by tmc8080:Frontier will continue to see the value of leaving in-place the FTTP build They've said they will do this
and possibly expanding upon it in the future. And they have said they have no plans currently to do this.
Verizon shouldn't be allowed to GUT the re-laid fiber, centeral office equipment and other backhaul within the regions they are selling. The equipment from the VHOs on down are part of the sale to Frontier. Nothing is being gutted. | |
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| | | | Re: common sense Were any Verizon FiOS properties part of the Fairpoint deal? | |
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| | | | | Re: common sense yes nashua nh and portsmouth merrimack londonderry, and fairpoint didnt build out fairpoint as dead horse getting beat day after day | |
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join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA
1 edit | Its Frontier All the fios customers are screwed in them states. Frontier just plain sux. They are just bad and i mean really bad. | |
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| Mark F
join:2007-08-01
Fort Wayne, IN | Re: Its Frontier OK, I feel so much better now.
I get letters from Comcast wanting me back and offering me just about the same stuff I had before FIOS became available here almost 3 years ago.
Satelite TV isn't a viable option, so if Frontier turns out to be really, really bad, I may face going back to Comcast's lousy equipment, poor service, and much smaller channel lineup.
Some choice.
It seems that many people want FIOS and those who have it don't want to lose it.
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1 edit | Don't want to go from FiOS to 3Mbps DSL/DISH Network... Well, Comcast does plan on increasing their HD channel count next month to FiOS-competitive levels here in Fort Wayne once they go all-digital. (I've heard this from several Comcast employees.) It's also the reason why they're dropping analog basic/expanded basic cable and mandating digital adapters/boxes.
That being said, we may switch to Comcast once Frontier takes over. I don't want to go from 20 Mbps fiber/FiOS TV to 3 Mbps DSL/DISH Network (and Verizon's DSL was notoriously unreliable in our neighborhood due to lousily maintained copper plant) which is what I fear Frontier will force us to do. Plus, you may not know that there's an escape clause in OR and WA that allows ex-Verizon future Frontier customers to dump the company if just that happens. (IN gutted their PUC in 2005 as part of the telco reform bill that brought FiOS and U-verse to Hoosiers in the first place, so there's no such clause here.)
The future looks scary indeed. | |
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join:2007-08-01
Fort Wayne, IN | Re: Don't want to go from FiOS to 3Mbps DSL/DISH Network... You probably saw Comcast's full page ad in both our newspapers, "Feeling Abandoned By Verizon", and now Verizon has responded, saying that a competitors rumors about Verizon aren't true.
They went on to talk about the things that they offer that Comcast doesn't have. It was quite a sales pitch, considering they are leaving town soon.
So, I looked at the bottom of the ad for a footnote mentioning Frontier's acquisition of local FIOS operations, but there was none.
We truly love FIOS and hate to see them go, but I think they should be more forthcoming in signing up new subscribers, by telling them that they are leaving and turning over local operations to a company that knows almost nothing about providing the type of quality TV, and internet, service we've grown accustomed to.
It could be considered a web of deceit, "Come to my parlor, said the spider to the fly".
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join:2001-01-27
Port Saint Lucie, FL
·AT&T U-Verse
| Bandwidth on Fiber. The ONLY thing holding up bandwidth on fiber is the equipment on both ends of the glass. We have 40 gig connections working as I type this and are testing 1 Tera bit connections. Sorry I can't see copper (twisted pair or cable)doing anything remotely close those speeds. DWDM sends 13 different light waves down the same fiber with no problems and that is just to beginning as to what can be done in the future. Equipment will get better and lasers will get hotter and send the light farther down the cable. I have heard of connections going about 65 miles without regeneration. I know of some firsthand going 57 miles.
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32 wavelengths was new 10 years ago. We're way past the beginning. | |
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| cptmilesPremium
join:2004-04-22
Swayzee, IN | Why did AT&T decide not to go down the GPON rabbit hole with Verizon and stick with VDSL2? Is there a plan for FTTH for ATT? | |
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| | fiber_manThings Happen For A ReasonPremium
join:2001-01-27
Port Saint Lucie, FL Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
| Re: Bandwidth on Fiber. Yes there is a plan but the majority of users on this do not understand that putting fiber to the vrads is the first phase of deployment. Then down the road they can extend the fiber to the homes from the vrad which will be the most expensive part of the deployment. They are spreading out the cost over many years while improving services. If you think about it there is usually an F1 cable from the CO or RT site to the X-box then an F2 cable to the homes. First part of the plan is to get rid of the F1 cables then work on getting rid of the old equipment in the CO's and getting rid of the RT sites. Less costs in maintenance and repair of the copper plant and more $ for expanding the fiber to the homes. Also frees up a lot of conduits in the duct runs between manholes as they can now pull out the copper.
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join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
1 edit | Will fiber ever be cheaper? Why is it still so expensive? It s being used all over the place nowadays, so shouldn't it be cheaper?
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| jophanPremium
join:2009-07-12
Jenkintown, PA | Re: Will fiber ever be cheaper? Most of the cost is the labor. One of Verizon's advantages over AT&T in the beginning was that the East Coast network is largely aerial (on poles). Buried cable involves digging trenches down each street and across them to reach the customers on the other side. This probably had a lot to do AT&T choosing to build to a node instead of all the way to the home. | |
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| | heat84Bit Torrent Apologist
join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
1 edit | Re: Will fiber ever be cheaper? How does AT&T save labor costs by going FTTN? It must take just as long (or longer) to condition lines as it does to run the "last mile" of fiber.
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| | verizon fios, frontier, comcast I am a sales rep. for one of the three companies listed, comcast, verizon, and frontier. Now i dont want to get in trouble for posting an ad so id rather not say which one. However we were informed about this switch a while ago, NOTHING is going to change for fios customers, yes frontier is taking over they are basically changing the name on the signs and trucks. Yes comcast has an anti verizon and frontier campaign why wouldnt they? its money people.. the compaies dont care. thats why they sold their customers. I dont have an opinion either way im just saying its not a huge deal... life will move on with a new name on the top of your bill, dont panic this happens every ten years who owned comcast before it was comcast? verizon just sold out very quickly in oregon. do your research and pick which provider you want. | |
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