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story category Verizon, Comcast Feud Over HDTV
Comcast in no position to brag about HD content, says telco
02:46PM Tuesday Jun 09 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: competition · business · cable · HDTV
Verizon and Comcast have had an ongoing war of words when it comes to HDTV service, Comcast last year attacking the telco for over-inflating their HD channel count claims. According to a new Verizon blog post they've filed a false advertising complaint against Comcast for a new suite of ads that have apparently irked the telco. Verizon highlights the fact that Comcast isn't in much of a position to talk, given the cable company offers 47 HD Channels to Verizon's 117 -- in Comcast's hometown of Philadelphia. Verizon also raises the pesky fact that Comcast remains at the bottom of the barrel in most consumer satisfaction rankings -- though they have shown improvement in recent months.

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battleop

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LOL

FTA:

Comcast claim: FiOS fills up its HD on Demand library with recycled Internet content including hundreds of two minute videos like “How to Fold a Towel” and “How to Boil Water.”

Heh.
CycloneGT

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Re: LOL

hehe, that is pretty cheesey.

Of course Comcast has their fair share of "HD Choices" that they use in ads, pretending that they are equivalents to HD channels.

So while Dish, DirecTV, & FiOS each have pushed their number of HD channels over 100, Comcast just considers HD OnDemand selections (such 60 episodes of the Sopranos) to be the same as 60 HD channels.

Oh well, a educated consumer should see right through that.

KevNYC
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Re: LOL

Yea and the best part is it never changes. They update the OnDemand selection like once every 3 months.
flashcore

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Lutherville Timonium, MD


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You forgot to mention, Concast's "HD Choices" AKA VNOD (Video NOT On-Demand) only ever works from 3-5AM (From my experience and many other people I have spoken to). If you try to use it at any other time your most likely going to be disappointed because they do not have enough bandwidth to handle more then 5-10 VOD streams at a time and there usually always full.

Now as for Verizon, I have not once encountered a VOD show that I could not watch whenever I wanted. There shows are always available On-Demand and the quality is 1000% better then anything Concast ever gave me. While it may be true that Verizon does not have as much as Concast at least Verizon is able to keep there system available to anyone who wants to access it.

Matt
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Re: LOL

This is the internet police, you've exceeded your euphemism limit for the day. Please refrain from using Concast, VNOD, Comcrap, and especially M$ for the remainder of the day.

Thank you for your cooperation citizen.

baineschile
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Re: LOL

If we look at HD in two contented ways, there are the linear channels, and the VOD.

They both have their highs and lows. FiOS obviously has more linear channels, but significantly less VOD. Comcast does CLAIM a lot of HDVOD, but a lot of that is 2 minute interviews or peices of junk. BUT, a good chunk of FiOS's linear channels are PPV/West feeds of Movie Channels.

For the future though, it seems that CC is expanding their linear lineup (see my post in the Midwest Forum about ADDING 54 HD stations in Detroit, bringing the total to 102), faster than FiOS is expanding their VOD lineup.

It appears though, the good news is that both boeheimiths have enough bandwidth to eventually support all the HD feed we want.
Mark F

join:2007-08-01
Fort Wayne, IN

Don't fall for Comcast, they should be ashamed.

When we had Comcast, getting disaconnected from the VOD was a fairly common thing. And, since the weather around here can sometimes be stormy, the briefest power outage would leave the box blinking "12:00" and the guide content unavailable- for days.

After FIOS sells off it's TV subscribers in three states, including Indiana, I hope Frontier continues the great service as best it can, as I dread the thought of ever going back to Comcast.
Or, losing our beautiful trees to get satelite TV.
Mark F.
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said by CycloneGT See Profile :

So while Dish, DirecTV, & FiOS each have pushed their number of HD channels over 100, Comcast just considers HD OnDemand selections (such 60 episodes of the Sopranos) to be the same as 60 HD channels.

Oh well, a educated consumer should see right through that.
A "well educated consumer" knows what a channel and a choice is especially when you're talking about OnDemand. Only an uneducated person, or ignorant person, would push an argument TO DEATH that they're trying to somehow confuse channels with OnDemand selections.

I find it laughable that you'd sit here and talk about educated consumers when you're acting like you're not.

Never once does Comcast say "more hd channels".. it DOES say "there is more HD programs available at any given time" which is factually correct. You're sitting here twisting and putting words in the mouth of Comcast and working overtime to do so WHILE applauding "educated consumers" for knowing better... so what does that make you?

So really, since this argument is beaten to death, and well educated consumers know this, that really what you're saying is that the people on BBR are idiots? .. becuase everyone loves to bash a statement made in plain English. You clearly know the difference between choices and channels.. so stop acting like you've been harmed when you know you're not becuase you KNOW what the message says..

In the end, I could give a rats ass less who has more HD anything.. be it CHANNELS, or OnDemand, or OnOccasion, or HD pictures.. could care less.. my focus is no the idiotic fanboi bitching back and forth about a simple word that is clearly being pushed out of context in order to make something out of nothing..

vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA

Re: LOL

Huh, what's your problem? Clearly Comcast's message is intentionally phrased in such a way as to confuse VoD for live channels. They also do something similar with their cable vs DSL ads for broadband, comparing to 768k DSL that very few people actually use.

True enough, everyone twists their words in marketing, but I don't see why you're jumping on someone for calling Comcast out on their dishonesty.
fiberguy
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Re: LOL

I don't see that they are.. the message is in clear English. They say, on the ads here, "there are more HD choices starting at anytime over ...X"... to me, I'm able to understand what they're saying.. it means that if you took all the HD possibilities that you can actively select, channels and VOD, Comcast says there are more that you can view at anytime - which is factually true. I think that if you take the English language as stated, it takes more effort to confuse the situation. You are right that some people wont' get it, but here at BBR, everyone does, yet they like to complain about it.. for fun I suppose? I dunno..

As for the DSL.. yes, they compare the 768 speed.. often the 1.5 speed as well. There are still a large number of people using 768, in verizon territory that still offers it, or the 1.5 depending on if they've killed the 768 tier in that area yet.

You can't compare their 3.0 service becuase not everyone can get that tier. However, in cable, everyone CAN get the top tier which is why they are required to claim against the tier available to all available subscribers.

If they, in the qwest areas, said "faster then 7.0 meg service".. that would piss people off too.. those that say "am still stuck at 256"...

Moral.. you will never please everyone.. as everyone will have a beef with something. But, the DLS/Cable comparison is actually correct on how to advertise it. Kinda the same as when Satellite started counting their audio channels as "channels" when saying "We have more channels than cable" years ago.. when you add in 75 music channels, sure! they add up quick..

They both do it.. the consumer needs to simply do their homework at all times.. I don't know about many here, but I do my homework NO MATTER WHAT as I never put my faith in an ad.. I know that ads are there, so long as they don't lie, simply to grab your attention and generate a phone call... ads generate leads period.

jt12

@comcast.net
its all about the words they use. comcast says hd content. other provider say hd channels.
PittsPgh

join:2003-08-21
Pittsburgh, PA

said by CycloneGT See Profile :

hehe, that is pretty cheesey.

Of course Comcast has their fair share of "HD Choices" that they use in ads, pretending that they are equivalents to HD channels.

So while Dish, DirecTV, & FiOS each have pushed their number of HD channels over 100, Comcast just considers HD OnDemand selections (such 60 episodes of the Sopranos) to be the same as 60 HD channels.

Oh well, a educated consumer should see right through that.
But are any of those 60 episodes actaully showing in HD????
Lot of shows are on an HD chanel but are NOT HD quality. They even look bad on my Sony 27" SDTV. Yes I have an HD box and the diffencer is noticeble.
I know recently there was a "Battlestar Gallactica" marathon on UHD i belive it was. I was at a friends place watching his 52" big screen. So bad and pixelated. It was NOT in HD quality. That series was filmed in HD. One of Sci-Fi channels first HD programmings.

Paul

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Verizon Counterclaim

If anyone who has FIOS TV can back me up on this I'd be quite happy.

Comcast's On-Demand service is so damn slow that it is practically useless. You can just throw a DVD in the player and watch the whole movie before Comcast's On-Demand service is even done loading.
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LeftOfSanity

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Felton, DE

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Re: Verizon Counterclaim

I use the Comcast VOD all the time. Never had a problem with it.

:edit for clarification:
fiberguy
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Re: Verizon Counterclaim

said by LeftOfSanity See Profile :

I use the Comcast VOD all the time. Never had a problem with it.

:edit for clarification:
I've had a problem or two in the entire time I've had it here in the Twin Cities since 10/2004. The experience will differe just like ANY other service depending on location and issues affecting that area.

Considering that a node is about 200 to 500 homes, on average, for someone to claim that becuase of THEIR service working a certain way, and a few others that will chime in and agree with them for having the same problem, doesn't mean that it's bad nationwide.

I use VOD more than normal television and then my DVR service... when I use VOD, I RARELY have a problem with it.. since people think their own experience is what makes everyone elses out to be, I guess with that logic I could say that everyone's VOD must work fine.. (But, I'm smart enough to know better.. there are people that have issues.. I just know that it doesn't equate to the greater picture)

jmn1207
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With my Scientific Atlanta HD DVR and SERA guide, my first attempt at connecting to Comcast's VOD service resulted in a lengthy pause followed by a complete reboot of the cable box. After that it generally worked ok, but it took nearly 10 minutes to get up and running with a video.

I also have similar issues with Verizon in that I am not able to use VOD services during prime time. Consequently, I never use VOD because it has always been such a disappointment, with either Comcast or Verizon. It is poorly implemented at this time, and it needs a serious overhaul before it ever becomes a deciding factor on which service I use for my TV viewing.

pnh102
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Re: Verizon Counterclaim

said by jmn1207 See Profile :

With my Scientific Atlanta HD DVR and SERA guide, my first attempt at connecting to Comcast's VOD service resulted in a lengthy pause followed by a complete reboot of the cable box. After that it generally worked ok, but it took nearly 10 minutes to get up and running with a video.

I also have similar issues with Verizon in that I am not able to use VOD services during prime time. Consequently, I never use VOD because it has always been such a disappointment, with either Comcast or Verizon. It is poorly implemented at this time, and it needs a serious overhaul before it ever becomes a deciding factor on which service I use for my TV viewing.
Sounds like I am in the same boat as you. I lived in a different Comcast market and used to have working VOD. But not anymore!
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Shack

join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN
I have never had a problem with Comcast on Demand, works fine here.
Mark F

join:2007-08-01
Fort Wayne, IN

Re: Verizon Counterclaim

Further north in the Hoosier State, it was sheer luck if we stayed connected long enough to watch anything On Demand. And, every power outage screwed up the box for many days. At least the time was right- twice a day (noon and midnight).

Nothing bad like that has ever happened in the almost two years we've had FIOS TV.
Mark F.

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

If anyone who has FIOS TV can back me up on this I'd be quite happy.

Comcast's On-Demand service is so damn slow that it is practically useless. You can just throw a DVD in the player and watch the whole movie before Comcast's On-Demand service is even done loading.
When I had Comcast the problem with HD VoD wasn't slowness of loading the problem was availability. I never busted out a spreadsheet but I would say that roughly 1/4 of the time I tried to view a HD VoD show I would get a blue box that said the show was not available for viewing.
Ted Sheckler

join:2009-01-17
Aurora, CO

Comcast loses in HD

Comcast HD lineup in Denver is HORRENDOUS! And the quality is degreded to the point where it might as well be SD. DirecTV wins (no FIOS here)
BobWadd

join:2005-12-15
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Re: Comcast loses in HD

said by Ted Sheckler See Profile :

Comcast HD lineup in Denver is HORRENDOUS! And the quality is degreded to the point where it might as well be SD. DirecTV wins (no FIOS here)
Well at least you have an HD lineup. Here in central Florida I have ZERO HD stations available!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob

FastiBook

join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA
·Verizon FIOS

Comcrap.

I've had comcast for 15 years, and I've had "HD" from them for 4 of those. I am not a happy customer. Thier hd channels are comprised of low quality pixelating jumpy out of sync crap to stretchovision. Only discovery, the news stations, and a few movie channels. The rest are stretched or cropped. I would love to move tv to vz.

- A

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apollo80

join:2002-01-31
Richmond, VA

HD selection and quality better with Verizon

I finally got Fios installed last week and cancelled Comcast.

The picture is so much better and the selection seems to be greater, too.

Plus I'm getting more channels for less money.

I watched Burn Notice in HD from a recording today with my Fios box. When I paused the playback, there was, to my surprise, little to no artifacting.

Can't say that with the history I've had with Comcast. Blocky blocks everywhere when I paused.
Mark F

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Fort Wayne, IN

Re: HD selection and quality better with Verizon

I love FIOS, I hope I never have to go back to Comcast.
Mark F.

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Damn Verizon...just how many fights are you going to pick?

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I don't know about Verizon or Comcast

But if it is anything like Cox they shouldn't be able to call it HD. I was watching Speed Racer on HBO HD on Cox (yeah, I am 1 of like 3 people who liked that movie) and it was so overcompressed and there was so many motion artifacts that it was nearly unwatchable. Anyone who has seen that movie knows that it is heavy CG with a lot of background motion and detail. The cool CG effects were decimated by the crap quality of the broadcast. I see the same thing switching between NFL games on CBS HD via cable and CBS HD OTA. On cable it is unwatchable.
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kleinml

join:2008-04-18
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Comcast Commercials

The Commercials are pretty funny though.
Have you seen this one

»www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-tSbRBy···or_fios/

Even though I know its Hugely exaggerated its still funny.
fiberguy
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Re: Comcast Commercials

Wow! Okay.. exaggerated?? to say the least, sure!

I mean, Verizon is known for billing issues, but so is Comcast.

Verizon is known for tearing up yards, and not being pretty about it, but so is Comcast.

"Better HD and Faster Internet"... SHAME on Comcast.. "better" is objectionable, and "faster" isn't true..

But still.. the commercial was hilarious.

Goober

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Re: Comcast Commercials

said by fiberguy See Profile :

Wow! Okay.. exaggerated?? to say the least, sure!

I mean, Verizon is known for billing issues, but so is Comcast.

Verizon is known for tearing up yards, and not being pretty about it, but so is Comcast.

"Better HD and Faster Internet"... SHAME on Comcast.. "better" is objectionable, and "faster" isn't true..

But still.. the commercial was hilarious.
"The fastest internet around" are the exact words, which makes it much more marketing speak than "faster," which is potentially problematic.
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Re: Comcast Commercials

But, to say "the fastest" would say that you can't get a faster speed from another provider, right? Because isn't FiOS offering faster speeds? I would think that laying claim to "faster" or "fastest" would be the killer in that commercial.

You know me by now, I'm not one to pick like that, but that one just seems a little odd for me. But, will wait to hear why you say that..

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Re: Comcast Commercials

It's really just a judgment call. Kind of like saying, "Snapple is made from the best stuff on Earth."

Comcast saying that they're the "Fastest internet around" is so non-specific and is so typical of language used in puffery that I don't think they'd be nailed for making any kind of false representations. It's the "around" word that makes it more advertising than a performance claim. But, I think you would be right if "fastest" was more directly targeted to the FIOS product.

Of course, it doesn't mean that Comcast couldn't be sued and lose. It's like the Papa John's v. Pizza Hut lawsuit. The lower courts initially ruled in Pizza Hut's favor, but then Papa John's won at the appeal level. And, I think that was a closer case than this one.

»advertising.about.com/od/foodrel···ohns.htm

A select quote from the article linked above:

"The better-best argument also affects the results of this case. You've seen commercials where a company claims to have the "best" thingamajig. "Best" can be used without having to backup your statement. When you use "better," you "better" have proof to substantiate your claim."

AnCow

@comcast.net

Well hopefully

with this digital transition, it will free up a lot more bandwidth and expand the HD lineup. I am confident that it will.

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Re: Well hopefully

said by AnCow :

with this digital transition, it will free up a lot more bandwidth and expand the HD lineup. I am confident that it will.
The digital transaction only effects OTA, not cable or satellite.
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DarkSly

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Danvers, MA

Re: Well hopefully

I received a letter from Comcast mentioning a bandwidth reclamation project in my area.... Basically I will be losing most of my analog channels but getting more HD, OnDemand, Faster Internet, and more features... Looks like a good trade off to me.

I have used VZ Fios at a friends house and I wasn't impressed; sure there were more HD channels, but it wasn't anything I'd want to watch, mostly PBS channels and fishing shows, the VOD library was baron of anything worth while, and the internet wasn't any faster than what I get with Comcast.

My opinion is if they are just offering the same thing then why should I switch?
cornelius785

join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA

Re: Well hopefully

the comcast dropping of most analog channels is only a good trade off if you pay more to access the possibly channels. if you want to record from the channels with a vcr, you're up shit creek with out a paddle unless you pay for an expensive (new vcr that is capable of QAM tuning, tivo box+subscription, home-brew dvr, upgrade in plan with one having a DVR) paddle. I must admit, the shift of analog to QAM transmission will improve quality, especially for those that have weak cable signal/poor wiring.

how did you test the internet? did you actually run timed tests download, DNS speed, ping? just browsing can't be used to comparison.
ronfelder

join:2006-07-07
Sewell, NJ
how do you know verizon's internet download speed is thesame as comcast's? you run a test? just vieiwing web pages proves nothing for 768k loads web pages as fast as the rest of them.

Ron
DarkSly

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Re: Well hopefully

ran the speed test at speakeasy.net, my Comcast speeds were slightly faster actually.

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FIOS is great but..........

The FIOS service is certainly great. But the billing is in th dark ages. I've had billing problems ever since I dropped my landline at the end of October 2008. It's June 2009 and they still can't get things right. i have to call every month to get credits. And on top of that with them adding things I didn't request, which then prevent me from getting my price back that I originally had.
The executive customer service has been more helpful than the regular CSR but after a few months dealing with the Executive customer service rep, I'm still having billing issues. It's so bad I'm even considering going back to crappy Comcast. I've Had FIOS since 2007 and it is easily the best, but the billing problems are becoming absurd and I am really getting sick of having to deal with them every month and wasting my time on the phone.
babystars_13

join:2009-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN

hmm

Does each provider exclude their premium hd channels? Does Verizon exclude their HD music channel? Does each provider exclude HD sports channels?

jjam

@verizon.net

Re: hmm

judging by the comments on this forum, comcast is the LOSER!!!!
babystars_13

join:2009-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN

Re: hmm

I actually don't have any quams with Comcast. Comcast unlike Verizon didn't sell us out.
Corydon
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Yawn...another marketing battle

I'm not in a position to judge FiOS (wish I could get FTTP service but I'm in Denver, the home of Qwest, so I ain't exactly holding my breath). But seriously, both companies make outrageous marketing claims and then call each other liars and cheats.

Exhibit A: Comcast asserting they have more HD "choices", a blatant attempt to avoid facing the facts that they really don't offer many HD channels compared with their competitors.

Exhibit B: Verizon taking Comcast to task for saying they off 50 Mbps service "in a few markets" while trying to claim that they offer 50 Mbps connections across the FiOS footprint, while neglecting to mention that that's just a tiny portion of the territory that Verizon covers, and that they are offloading rural areas that they have no intention of bringing FiOS to as quickly as they can.

The conclusion I draw from this article? People in marketing should never be trusted, regardless of the company they work for.
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djcrazy

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Comcast is much faster in 1 respect...

raising prices.

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FIOS

CLEARLY FTW.

Chiefmac

@verizon.net

Comcast?

Comcast does not provide a service in Virginia. It's a disservice. Their reps have no idea what they are talking about. Verizion FIOS is GREAT!
JPL
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West Chester, PA
·Verizon FIOS

Didn't Comcast try this already?

Against DirecTV. That was such an overwhelming success that I could see why Comcast would want to use the exact same arguments against ANOTHER provider that has been eating their lunch. Way to go, Comcast! Rehash those ad campaigns that failed utterly in the past. That'll stop the bleeding of video customers that you've been experiencing!

This ad is just flagrantly false on most counts, btw. My personal favorite is their claim that Verizon has to bring in heavy machinery to dig up your lawn to lay the fiber... but no digging is necessary with Comcast! Umm... last I checked, if you have underground utilities, you have to have the CABLE run to your house too, right? Maybe I'm wrong... in which case it's amazing... Comcast actually discovered a way to give you cable TV... without the cable! I guess that's why it's Comcastic! BTW, I'm hooked up with FiOS aerially - the fiber is strung from the telephone pole to my house. And guess what? The conduit carrying the fiber is no thicker than the old Comcast coax cable that's also still strung to my house.

FastiBook

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Newtown, PA
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Re: Didn't Comcast try this already?

The equipment makes a cut in the soil to pull a blank through the ground, the blank is attached to one end of the conduit pipe. The conduit for the fiber line is that orange stuff you've likely seen popping up out of the ground near you by utility poles. Our install of the conduit didn't damage the lawn driveway or nearby plants or bushes. They also have a machine that allows them to pull the blank under your sidewalk & driveway. This under pavement maneuver does require a small chunk of ground to be pulled up because the conduit as you can imagine is not flexible enough to make sharp turns, but they put it back like a puzzle piece. The whole process took 3 hours from pull up to drive away. The inside stuff was done, took an hour, the guy took the cable from the ONT and made a new jack in the wall inside for it, looks very nice. He also installed the power supply and its related cabling, he also activated & tested the router and by the time he left we were surfing at high speed (you could really tell the difference even with just page loading).

We are going to move to VZ as soon as its practical for tv.

- A
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axiomatic

join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX

Real issue... is it really HD?

These issues are good points but the real problem here is that Comcast is not truly pushing an HD signal. It's compressed so much that its really a downrez version of a true HD signal.

Verizon however seems to be pushing real HD signals.

So were actually talking Apples and Oranges here.

Kreslyn

@myvzw.com

Re: Real issue... is it really HD?

Fios is also now starting to offer 100meg download and 50m uploads. Keep in mind folks with those speedtests that comcast allows surges of higher speeds at the beginning of a download for quick things like a speedtest or a small webpage. To deliberately raise their test results I am sure.

Comcast is crippling their network with analog channels. 1 Analog channel takes the same amount of space as 8 digital channels and seriously limits their space for higher internet download speeds.

Fios has billing issues but it is a top priority atm to redo the entire billing structure to make them easier to understand and reduce errors. Once this is achieved call volumes should drop into the toilet and wait times for customers even during peek hours should be trivial.

One of the worst things comcast has going for it is so many subcontractors who could care less how well done your installation is done but just care about how fast its done so that they can get more jobs done and more money.

One of if not the biggest issue with comcast imho is this. Once comcast fiber hits the neighborhood it's all on coax wire and since this is metal conductors it becomes susceptible to outside influence. Power lines and any poor or weathering connections in the network create small amounts of noise on the signal. This signal comes in from many sources in the neighborhood be it powerlines, squirrels, or just poor connections. Now all this noise is then amplified as they need to amplify the signal and alas the noise with it. Now when this signal finally reaches your house its dirty and full of amplified noise whether you see the effect or not.

Fios on the other hand is a non amplified light network from the central office all the way to your house. If verizon makes sure your house wiring is up to snuff they can now be assured from A to Z that you have a clean signal start to finish. With all the enforced meter measuring at outlets to ensure proper signal before the box is even put in you can count on more peace of mind. Certain issues will plague both companies like coax run with power lines inside a wall and sealled by drywall but at least Verizon can be sure they can get a clean signal to your front door.

Verizon is prepared with the future. Speeds higher than 100meg down are easily achievable. There is just no need right now. With present implementation and some small changes to cross connect a homeowner can achieve gigabit speeds. Its the speed of light to your front door folks. There is nothing that will beat it beyond someone else doing the same.

Sure verizon is still getting out the kinks in billing and the occasional odd bug that creates problems for people but they are new at this and already beating the pants off comcast. In time I can't see why anyone would use anything but Verizon Fios unless our competition can find a way to keep up =)

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