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01:03PM Thursday Aug 06 2009 by Karl Bode
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In 1915, in order to spur deployment of phone service to under-served areas of the State, Massachusetts lawmakers exempted phone company poles and cables from property taxes when they passed through public property. Nearly a century later, the state is trying to change that and as you can imagine -- it doesn't sit well with Verizon. According to the Boston Globe, Verizon's tax exemption was deemed unnecessary and set aside back in 2008. Verizon's been fighting them ever since.

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Verizon has a long history of threatening States with scaled back infrastructure investment if lawmakers don't pass the laws Verizon lobbyists want passed (and frankly, in many instances, have they themselves written). Sticking with standard procedure, Verizon lawyers are threatening the State by saying they "may" pass the taxes on to consumers, and may scale back state investment:
Santoro also warned that if his company ultimately loses, it may recoup the taxes by charging customers higher rates for telephone or Internet service. "It may very well affect customers’ bills,’" he said, "but I don’t know yet.’" Santoro said Verizon is still committed to building its FIOS fiber-optic broadband service in Massachusetts, but that other big-ticket network upgrades might be shelved if its property tax bill increases.
This carrot and a stick approach to lobbying usually works pretty well, particularly considering that Verizon's lobbying budget well exceeds the amount they currently owe. Verizon threatened to stall FiOS when talk of charging Verizon property taxes first bubbled up back in 2007, and it's a very common tactic in other states.

The only reason Santoro doesn't specifically threaten FiOS deployment here is because Verizon already played that card, recently telling Massachusetts they'd stop FiOS deployment if the State didn't pass Verizon-friendly franchise "reform" laws. The State obliged, despite the fact the laws made it easier for Verizon to cherry pick FiOS deployment markets across the State. Given their FiOS threat well had run dry, apparently all that's left is the threat of nebulous reductions in "other big ticket network upgrades."

With States and cities facing tight budgets, it's not clear whether lawmakers will buckle this time. In a press release, Verizon insists the tax exemption was designed to "encourage technology deployment, investment and innovation," while complaining that repealing the taxes would "undermine investment and innovation." But Massachusetts, like most of Verizon's New England markets, has struggled with Verizon's unwillingness to wire rural markets -- despite tax incentives. Much of Verizon's state copper infrastructure is antiquated.

The traditional problem with such incentive programs and telcos is that well-lobbied lawmakers, not-coincidentally, never quite remember to hold incumbent phone companies accountable should they ignore deployment promises. But when state and city money is at play and not your taxpayer dollars -- suddenly politicians become much more interested in holding Verizon's feet to the fire. Whoever wins here, you'll still see higher bills and limited next-gen broadband deployment.

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PapaMidnight

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How much can you scale back?

How much can you scale back when you're already cherry picking half the neighborhoods you build out in in the first place?
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Re: How much can you scale back?

said by PapaMidnight See Profile :

How much can you scale back when you're already cherry picking half the neighborhoods you build out in in the first place?
Maintain nothing, collect fines, have your shell LLC declare bankruptcy, buy it in court under liquidation for pennies on the dollar.

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So Massachusetts Should Listen

Considering that Massachusetts recently passed a law that would stimulate the economy of southern New Hampshire (MA raised its sales tax), I can't imagine that the pols there are smart enough to understand the gravity of this threat.
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kyler13
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Ultimatum

Mass to Verizon: Please pay taxes or pull your poles immediately. You can't because of your federally mandated traditional copper phone network? Guess that leaves one option, then. And if you decide to shelf FIOS deployment, good luck selling your DSL opposite DOCSIS 3.0 deployment.

Seriously, when will gov't learn?
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Re: Ultimatum

You got that right. Verizon's FiOS project is a moneymaker for them, and they're only going to deploy it where they make money anyhow. Property taxes aren't going to change that much, especially when the alternative is selling $40 DSL with no TV and seeing phone revenues to to cellular providers or Comcast. Fortunately they're a cellular provider, but...

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Re: Ultimatum

There is no such thing as a business tax. It is treated as a cost of doing business. The costs are always passed on to the consumer as increased rates. Nothing new here.

calvoiper

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Re: Ultimatum

Yes, but to pass these costs along, a landline telco may have to undergo a rate case or similar proceeding.

No big deal in a normal world, but a cardinal rule in these cases is that ALL costs get examined--strangely, utilities always bring up rising costs but forget about dropping costs unless prodded.

What Verizon really wants to avoid is having all of its costs examined, for the regulators may find that -SURPRISE!- in a world of decreasing costs for electronic equipment, some of Verizon's costs may be overstated....

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Why not use emminent domain to seize the poles.. and charge them rent to connect to them. [It will pay for itself- immediately..]
patcat88

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Re: Ultimatum

Why doesn't the power company own them? What, it rents them?

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Re: Ultimatum

On poles the power company connects to it usually jointly owns them (and pays tax on half).

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Poles in question are on public property....already 'seized', eh?
What they should do is not tax VZ, as I agree all such costs are simply passed on the customer, but allow any competitor to use the poles.
So similar to what you said; simply disallow exclusive use of the poles to VZ. It may not make any difference, or it may allow a competitor to start running their own wires...
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RJ44

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What threat?

"The threat to pull FiOS isn't new..."

"Santoro said Verizon is still committed to building its FIOS fiber-optic broadband service in Massachusetts, but that other big-ticket network upgrades might be shelved if its property tax bill increases."

I don't see where there's any threat to scale back FIOS deployment here. Maybe it's somewhere in the fine print or buried in one of those links, but it would be nice if the news department here didn't contradict their own assertions, apparently without even realizing they've done so.

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Re: What threat?

Of course they are not going to physically pull the fiber. It's a term used to stop deployment or bring it to a crawl.
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Re: What threat?

said by ptrowski See Profile :

Of course they are not going to physically pull the fiber. It's a term used to stop deployment or bring it to a crawl.
Huh? The Verizon spokesman said (quoting the article)
"Santoro said Verizon is still committed to building its FIOS fiber-optic broadband service in Massachusetts".

How is that a threat to FIOS deployment?

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Re: What threat?

said by RJ44 See Profile :

said by ptrowski See Profile :

Of course they are not going to physically pull the fiber. It's a term used to stop deployment or bring it to a crawl.
Huh? The Verizon spokesman said (quoting the article)
"Santoro said Verizon is still committed to building its FIOS fiber-optic broadband service in Massachusetts".

How is that a threat to FIOS deployment?
The threat would be the speed that it takes. Technically they could light up one community in the year and still say they are building it out. They can slow the pace considerably.
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RJ44

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Re: What threat?

There WAS no threat to FIOS deployment in that statement.

I see the headline has now been changed to reflect that. Less sensationalistic, but much more accurate.

BF69

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Verizon obviously doesn't hire math whizzes

This carrot and a stick approach to lobbying usually works pretty well, particularly considering that Verizon's lobbying budget well exceeds the amount they owe the State

that would be like me spending $2000 on lawyers to avoid $1000 in taxes. DOES NOT COMPUTE.
SilverSurfer

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Re: Verizon obviously doesn't hire math whizzes

said by BF69 See Profile :

This carrot and a stick approach to lobbying usually works pretty well, particularly considering that Verizon's lobbying budget well exceeds the amount they owe the State

that would be like me spending $2000 on lawyers to avoid $1000 in taxes. DOES NOT COMPUTE.
You're applying common sense because you have a limited budget. VZ does not care how much money it has to spend because its pockets are deeper than god's.

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said by BF69 See Profile :

This carrot and a stick approach to lobbying usually works pretty well, particularly considering that Verizon's lobbying budget well exceeds the amount they owe the State

that would be like me spending $2000 on lawyers to avoid $1000 in taxes. DOES NOT COMPUTE.
But it has a deterrent effect. If the state loses once again they are LESS likely to attempt further tax increases down the line.

And why are they trying to tax telephone poles anyway for real estate taxes? Buildings I can see, but not poles. That is really stupid since taxes will just be passed on anyway to telco customers.

Oh wait !! I forgot. Pols always try to pass tax increases that are done on the sly where they are hidden in the cost of a company's doing business. The state needs more money. The straight forward way would be to raise income taxes or sales taxes, etc. But that makes the voters mad. By taxing businesses, they hope the voters won't notice and will be mad at the businesses for raising prices instead.
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Re: Verizon obviously doesn't hire math whizzes

Interesting logic.

Why should some be excluded from taxation while others pay? McDonalds pays for their property to be in business. Residents pay their taxes on their property and income (and also on any improvements). Why do you set a double standard for a telco?

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said by backness See Profile :

Interesting logic.

Why should some be excluded from taxation while others pay? McDonalds pays for their property to be in business. Residents pay their taxes on their property and income (and also on any improvements). Why do you set a double standard for a telco?
I don't. I don't think there should be any corporate taxes at all since they are merely passed on to customers in any case. Taxes on corporations are merely ways for cowardly & deceitful politicians to hide their money grabs.

And besides, corporate taxes are regressive because they always hit the customers and NOT the stockholders. So those least likely to be able to afford higher taxes are the ones who really pay for corporate taxes.

If politicians were honest(ROTFLMAO) they would pass more progessive income taxes and not corporate taxes. But they are bought & paid for by the richest Americans.

The fact that all these uninformed voters RANT CONSTANTLY about corporate taxes shows that the politicians have FOOLED most of the people. But believe me, the rich aren't fooled.

So, cheer on all the corporate taxes you want, because if they do that instead of raising income tax rates, I'll laugh all the way to the bank.
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Re: Verizon obviously doesn't hire math whizzes

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I don't think there should be any corporate taxes at all since they are merely passed on to customers in any case.
Obviously you must mean all those taxes the rest of us pay so that corporations can collect welfare later on after 2/3rds of their profits have been safely offshored from the prying eyes of the IRS.
Yep. Consumers sure do see a ::SIGNIFICANT:: reduction in their taxes...particularly the kind that go towards bailouts for bankers and American vehicle manufacturers.
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I'm not cheering anything. Being part of society has certain obligations. You don't get the benefits of protection of the American Legal system for free you know. I'll ask you why a company should be allowed to use the country for its own gain but return nothing to it.

As for the corporate taxes not affecting shareholders, do you even own any stock? I hate to say it but bottom line earnings are calculated AFTER income taxes.

Keep digging.

Sorry to feed the trolls
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by backness See Profile :

Interesting logic.

Why should some be excluded from taxation while others pay? McDonalds pays for their property to be in business. Residents pay their taxes on their property and income (and also on any improvements). Why do you set a double standard for a telco?
I don't. I don't think there should be any corporate taxes at all since they are merely passed on to customers in any case. Taxes on corporations are merely ways for cowardly & deceitful politicians to hide their money grabs.

And besides, corporate taxes are regressive because they always hit the customers and NOT the stockholders. So those least likely to be able to afford higher taxes are the ones who really pay for corporate taxes.

If politicians were honest(ROTFLMAO) they would pass more progessive income taxes and not corporate taxes. But they are bought & paid for by the richest Americans.

The fact that all these uninformed voters RANT CONSTANTLY about corporate taxes shows that the politicians have FOOLED most of the people. But believe me, the rich aren't fooled.

So, cheer on all the corporate taxes you want, because if they do that instead of raising income tax rates, I'll laugh all the way to the bank.
There seems to be relatively irrational belief among many conservatives that corporate taxes are simply passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices. It leaves out the obvious - if companies felt they could simply raise prices, they'd do it whether there were taxes or not. After all, why leave money on the table? Conversely, if they feel the consumer is already paying as much as the consumer is willing to bear, they'll be very careful about passing on any increases in their own costs, and if there are any new costs (including taxes) they'll probably absorb the bulk of them. Put another way - he who is desperate pays, and he who is more desperate pays more. If the seller's supply curve is more inelastic than the buyer's demand curve, the seller will absorb more of the taxes - even taxes on the buyer. If the buyer's demand curve is more inelastic, the buyer will absorb of taxes, including corporate taxes.

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Re: Verizon obviously doesn't hire math whizzes

said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

There seems to be relatively irrational belief among many conservatives that corporate taxes are simply passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices.
It is hardly irrational because it is a 100% irrefutable fact. It is the economic version of the law of gravity.

And it isn't just taxes, every business expense is recouped from the customer.
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It leaves out the obvious - if companies felt they could simply raise prices, they'd do it whether there were taxes or not.
You ignore the fact that a business charges the highest possible price for a given product or service already. If a business raises its prices at this point, it risks losing sales. If sales decline and profit is lost or if after paying the tax there is too little profit (or a loss), the business might decide that providing the given product or service simply isn't worth the money.

Either way, the consumer pays the bill.
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You can't alway pass on these taxes to the customers in all business if you can't set your own rates. Believe me, I know from experience. Not all corporations pass increases in tax to their customers.

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Re: Verizon obviously doesn't hire math whizzes

said by jjeffeory See Profile :

You can't alway pass on these taxes to the customers in all business if you can't set your own rates. Believe me, I know from experience. Not all corporations pass increases in tax to their customers.
True. Those corporations go broke and go out of business or move to Asia.
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Re: Verizon obviously doesn't hire math whizzes

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by jjeffeory See Profile :

You can't alway pass on these taxes to the customers in all business if you can't set your own rates. Believe me, I know from experience. Not all corporations pass increases in tax to their customers.
True. Those corporations go broke and go out of business or move to Asia.
Considering the billions in profit Verizon makes each year, and the hundreds of millions in debt it was able to write off with its deal with Fairpoint, and considering they have duopolistic control with AT&T over special access lines through which they can charge artificially marked up prices, I doubt Verizon's going to go broke any time soon.

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said by jjeffeory See Profile :

You can't alway pass on these taxes to the customers in all business if you can't set your own rates. Believe me, I know from experience. Not all corporations pass increases in tax to their customers.
In the world of telco's you sure can. When they only ever have one or two competitors, its easy for them to just pass on the tax to their customers. Take a look at your phone bill and look at all the taxes and fees they are passing on to you.
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said by backness See Profile :

...Why do you set a double standard for a telco?
because he's a free market man and whatever business wants, business should get. business is the be-all and end-all for the U S of A and we don't want to mess with the utopian paradise the U.S. has become.

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Re: Verizon obviously doesn't hire math whizzes

You say "free market" like its a bad thing. Last time I walked into a Walmart or Best buy, I could literally see thousands of products from all over the world. You can choose between cheaper products, higher quality products, products made here in the US, products made from all over, all thanks to this terrible "free market."

I work for one of these so called "evil" corporations, and I want it to have all the tax breaks it can, because the more competitive it is, the safer my job is.

Some of you people forget that these companies actually put food on the table for hundreds, even thousands of people just like you and me. Excessive taxation doesn't give them any incentive to stick around the US. In the end, they are providing a product or service to people and giving people jobs, why not allow them to do it in the most competitive way possible?

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

And why are they trying to tax telephone poles anyway for real estate taxes? Buildings I can see, but not poles.
Am I the only one that finds it odd that the state wants to collect property taxes from VZ for "public" property? Also, doesn't VZ already pay franchise fees that were negotiated for use of the public property in the first place?
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

This carrot and a stick approach to lobbying usually works pretty well, particularly considering that Verizon's lobbying budget well exceeds the amount they owe the State

that would be like me spending $2000 on lawyers to avoid $1000 in taxes. DOES NOT COMPUTE.
But it has a deterrent effect. If the state loses once again they are LESS likely to attempt further tax increases down the line.

And why are they trying to tax telephone poles anyway for real estate taxes? Buildings I can see, but not poles. That is really stupid since taxes will just be passed on anyway to telco customers.

Oh wait !! I forgot. Pols always try to pass tax increases that are done on the sly where they are hidden in the cost of a company's doing business. The state needs more money. The straight forward way would be to raise income taxes or sales taxes, etc. But that makes the voters mad. By taxing businesses, they hope the voters won't notice and will be mad at the businesses for raising prices instead.
Maybe if they shrank the gov't they wouldn't need more taxes? The people in NH and ME love to joke about "Taxachusetts".

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

The state needs more money. The straight forward way would be to raise income taxes or sales taxes, etc. But that makes the voters mad. By taxing businesses, they hope the voters won't notice and will be mad at the businesses for raising prices instead.
For the record they DID just raise sales tax, MA also requires all residents to have health insurance or you get a fine. They also are going to cut educational budget. MA is beginning to look like N.Korea...
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Of course it does: Far better to pay $2000 to ensure that you don't have to pay $1000 per year in taxes.
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FiOS Rollout On Hold

I have FiOS at my home but at my rural office, the rollout was suspended due back in Feb 2008. It was half rolled out in an adjacent community then stopped.

The copper phone wires are so antiquated that the POTS service is abysmal.

But I still shed no tears for Verizon.

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Re: FiOS Rollout On Hold

said by bigjimc See Profile :

The copper phone wires are so antiquated that the POTS service is abysmal.
The MA grassroots organizations are attacking Verizon on this very issue. They are hugely vulnerable in that respect.
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call their bluff

Massachusetts: time to call Verizon's bluff.

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Cut their franchise agreeements

All they have to do is table their franchise agreements for failure to pay taxes. If Mass really had some balls, they would have them discontinue service in the state. Imagine 1 million people calling Verizon. Lawmakers need to grow some balls.
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Re: Cut their franchise agreeements

said by Maggs See Profile :

All they have to do is table their franchise agreements for failure to pay taxes. If Mass really had some balls, they would have them discontinue service in the state. Imagine 1 million people calling Verizon. Lawmakers need to grow some balls.
That's a beautiful theory but whores politicians don't generally tick off their johns highest paying constituents.

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Re: Cut their franchise agreeements

Some politicians are in fact Johns LOL.
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Verizon should sell off Mass

Verizon should just sell off assets to another buyer.. by that time, DOCsis 4 , will come out, and Mass will be even further behind. Maybe Embarq can by them.
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Re: Verizon should sell off Mass

There is no DOCSIS 4...they're *still* working on DOCSIS 3, which can theoretically go up to 1 gbps.

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said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

There is no DOCSIS 4...they're *still* working on DOCSIS 3, which can theoretically go up to 1 gbps.
Duh..... Hence by that time.......

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Verizon to Central Mass Drop Dead

Verizon has already stopped their FIOS rollouts in Massachusetts. They finished up the cherry picked communities they had started a few years ago and now have come to a dead stop. In Central Massachusetts they have no real plans to roll FIOS out beyond a the few towns east of Worcester. I say sure let them have their tax exemption in towns that they provide FIOS service, however in towns that they do not levy the tax and double it every year until they provide service.

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Socialize it!

As the pioneer of so many social issues and model for the whole people's nation, why doesn't MA just arrest those telco heads for anti-progressive capitalism and put them to work on FIOS deployment in reform camps? Or tax the entire company's value to make it state-own? Nothing an all-encompassing big government can not solve!

FREE FIOS TO EVERYONE!

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Re: Socialize it!

You're implicitly trying to equate socialism with communism. Let me remind you the two are completely different and have little to no relation to each other.

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said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

You're implicitly trying to equate socialism with communism. Let me remind you the two are completely different and have little to no relation to each other.
I know they are different. But do the socialists know?
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Re: Socialize it!

In fact they do, very much so, but their arguments are often muddled and distorted by the organizational zealotry of the right (*cough* Fox News *cough*).

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Verizon's lack of maintenance on its copper network etc.

If you delve deeply into the rate justification in a telco like Verizon's service you will see that they charge each and every customer for the maintenance and upgrading of their telephone network infrastructure.

In fact every Verizon user already pays every billing cycle for Verizon to maintain and upgrade its network infrastructure. Verizon however does not keep up its end of the bargain and has in Central and Western Massachusetts so neglected the copper infrastructure that it is approaching interoperability (old cables filling with water etc.).

My suggestion is to file a Massachusetts consumer class action law suite for Verizon's malfeasance in its failure to maintain and upgrade its network and properly serve its customers.

If the Massachusetts consumers win, which they may well, and Verizon chooses to sell their Massachusetts network I suggest filing a motion to seize the network for payment of the law suit settlement and operation of the network as a Massachusetts consumer owned non profit cooperative. I bet that would get Verizon's attention.


Murdoc

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Make lobbying illegal

Maybe lobbyists and lobbying should be illegal, then maybe alot of stupidity would stop running rampant.
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Away with Copper!

Verizon wants out of the copper based phone business period, and will try any way they can to get out of it. When copper breaks, techs are told to repair, not replace the bad copper. I was without phone service back in January of this year for over a month due to an ice storm, and Verizon took a long time to repair things.

As I've heard a number of times, Verizon wants to be a "broadband" company and get out of the land-line phone business.
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Whiny Verizon? Competition sounds good to me.

Open the state to new competitors! Now that DOESN'T necessarily mean a TELCO either, it could just be a cable company other than Time Warner or Comcast... I'd even send form letters out to tier-1 Internet Backbone companies to offer a sweet franchise deal for the state. If done right, it could make hotspots like NYC look like a dialup busy signal.

The number of places VZ can cry wolf now is vastly reduced due to jettisoning piss poor ROI rural and suburb infrastructure within it's old footprint. Don't think the lawyers who put Verizon together from it's former companies weren't thinking about a path to cutting all the "dead wood" out of the company sooner or later, and for the most part, they got/will get their wish.. now hold the company's feet to the fire with the rest!
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Competition

The problem with allowing competition in MA, is every time a cable/phone company wants to setup shop in a City or Town, they have to get approval from EACH City and Town for a franchise. In My City, that took over 2 years for FIOS to come in. Some communities have one cable/phone provider and like it that way, no
competition.

I understand the State of MA wants to take control of this issue and be the one and only agency to determine what community gets cable/phone, but the Cities and Towns are claiming it will take away their "rights" to choose.
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Never mind

On second thought I do now wish to post.
gt1racer

join:2008-11-19
Fall River, MA

Monopoly as always!

Gotta love how Fall River in Bristol County is a Monopoly and Fios will probably never come here because they cherry picked through the whole county and rejected us.
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