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(old news - 09:48AM Tuesday Oct 16 2007)
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AT&T, Verizon and Qwest this week answered questions before Congress regarding the communications companies' involvement (or in Qwest's case, non-involvement) in the Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping program. Verizon gave new insight to Congress, stating they turned over private data without a court order "hundreds of times" since 2005, according to the Washington Post:
Yesterday's 13-page Verizon letter indicated that the requests went further than previously known. Verizon said it had received FBI administrative subpoenas, called national security letters, requesting data that would "identify a calling circle" for subscribers' telephone numbers, including people contacted by the people contacted by the subscriber. Verizon said it does not keep such information.
Verizon says it didn't determine the requests' legality or necessity because "to do so would slow efforts to save lives in criminal investigations." Phone companies are lobbying DC hard for immunity from any lawsuits that could result from their involvement in the program. President Bush has stated he'll veto any surveillance reform bills that don't grant this request.

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batterup
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Whoooo stop the presses.

Wasn't this common knowledge over a year ago?

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Re: Whoooo stop the presses.

said by batterup See Profile :

Wasn't this common knowledge over a year ago?
Well now that the war is looking better than it did, major media outlets are trying to gin up another reason for the left to be mad at Bush.
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Re: Whoooo stop the presses.

When does "WAR" ever look good?

rit56

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once again defending the Administrstion for breaking the law. As they've been reporting today they were spying on citizens long before 9/11 and it did nothing to prevent it from happening.

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Re: Whoooo stop the presses.

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once again defending the Administrstion for breaking the law.
Yawn. The left is doing everything it can to ensure our defeat. They couldn't cut the funding for our troops so they will now kill our relations with allied countries as a means to help the enemy win.

And then the left has the nerve to whine that our image abroad sucks when they do this?
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Re: Whoooo stop the presses.

you're mentally ill

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Re: Whoooo stop the presses.

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you're mentally ill
You people are funny.
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October 19th, @01:24AM

Re: Whoooo stop the presses.

not funny when one of our greatest military leaders told us years ago to be on guard against people like you...

read the following...

»coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/···ust.html

then realize that people like you who think military power is the answer to every problem are exactly what Eisenhower
was talking about in this speech...

he knew there are benefits and DANGERS to the use of military power.....people like you think it is an end to all means...and that is what is destroying the US image/respect in the world today....why don't you just go join BLACKWATER as the mercenary you want to be and just go through out the world killing people, then you'll be happy...

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said by rit56 See Profile :

once again defending the Administrstion for breaking the law.
Yawn. The left is doing everything it can to ensure our defeat. They couldn't cut the funding for our troops so they will now kill our relations with allied countries as a means to help the enemy win.

And then the left has the nerve to whine that our image abroad sucks when they do this?
How much did the Republicans pay you to say that?
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said by RR Conductor See Profile :

How much did the Republicans pay you to say that?
Now that is insulting. I've always come up with my own material. Should I have inadvertently quoted someone else without attributing proper citation, then I will gladly correct the record.
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what is this, about the 5th or 6th high level
"bush appointee" saying what really is going on???

»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21364048/

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October 18th, @10:41PM

as Bush can't and Cheney can't could you please define how we "win" a political/civil war in another country as a foreign power with military force...as it has never/ever been done before...and inquiring minds would like to know...
and that would make you smarter that all the leaders who ever existed....please enlighten us....

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said by DGDTrathole See Profile :

as Bush can't and Cheney can't could you please define how we "win" a political/civil war in another country as a foreign power with military force...as it has never/ever been done before.
We've beaten many countries in foreign wars. During World War 2 we beat 3.

As for Bush and Cheney, I think they are finally starting to realize that in order to win a war, our troops have to actually fight and kill the enemy. Prior to the surge, it almost read as if any of our troops who wanted to even holster a weapon had to go through a 19 point checklist before he/she could even fire a shot. My main gripe about the surge is that it wasn't started sooner. We could have saved a lot of lives had we done it.
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"During World War 2 we beat"

those were not political/civil wars...so answer the question instead of changing the issue

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said by DGDTrathole See Profile :

those were not political/civil wars...so answer the question instead of changing the issue
How was World War 2 not political?
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said by DGDTrathole See Profile :

those were not political/civil wars...so answer the question instead of changing the issue
How was World War 2 not political?
I believe he was referring to INTERNAL politics, a la the US Civil war

Wazmo



Verizon was denying it a year ago.

Here's the letter they sent me in May 2006:

26 May 2006

Thank you for contacting Verizon Wireless through our website. My name is Lorna, and I am happy to assist you regarding NSA story.

Verizon Wireless does not provide its customers' call records, or any information from those records, to the NSA. Any suggestion in news reports that we do is utterly false.

It has been a pleasure assisting you today, and we appreciate your business. Should you have additional questions or concerns, please reply to this e-mail.

Sincerely,

Lorna vzwkanaCustServiceNW@GL.Verizonwireless.com
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Verizon Wireless does not provide its customers' call records, or any information from those records, to the NSA.

That is 100% correct. Verizon the holding company provided the access not Verizon Wireless.

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Way I see it. Someone has to take a fall for it. Bush or the Corporations. Either way one side or another need to learn the lesson that this will not be tolerated by the American public. Verizon's excuse sounds vaguely like how corporations who served the Nazi's when German was consolidating power.

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right here
I'd like to veto Shrub in the balls that dumb fcuk.

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America Inc.

Can anybody tell me how the current state of personal freedoms in America is any different from communist or fascists countries? (besides death and imprisionment -- which is also starting to creep-in via extraordinary rendition).

Let's face it "America the Beautiful" - isn't anymore. Since the 60's it's been "America Inc." -- and your only as good as your last day here (at work that is).

I'd say only an armed peasant revolt or utter destruction from outside will change things now (even Hillary looks like a sell-out! )
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Re: America Inc.

Hillary is Socialist, look at all the unfunded mandates on her platform. So there is you path to socialism, or communism.

Big Brother is watching.

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Re: America Inc.

oh please. the current administration has done nothing BUT promote and put into law unfunded or underfunded mandates.
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Re: America Inc.

Not talking about them. Talking about the socialist that is running, pay attention, son!

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who do you support then? pick one from each side. i'll bet my lunch it is one that continues to promote and put into law unfunded or underfunded mandates.
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Re: America Inc.

OK, I guess you didn't read her website...let's start with these...
1. Socialized Medicine
2. $5000 voucher for every new kid
3. "Woman's" Rights? Is she grouping gay rights with this one?
4. Right from her website...stregthen middle class...
As president, Hillary will:

Make health care affordable and accessible to every American.
Reduce the cost of energy and make us energy independent.
Expand access to affordable, high-quality child care.
Make college more affordable.
Protect families from predatory lenders and help them avoid foreclosures.
Increase the minimum wage.
Create good jobs with good wages to expand the middle class.
Balance the federal budget so we don't pass today's massive debts to the next generation.
Reward savings, protect pensions, and provide greater retirement security.

This is just a piece of the crap this sociopath has in store for your country! God help us defeat this beast!

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said by RogerADSL See Profile :

1. Socialized Medicine
2. $5000 voucher for every new kid
3. "Woman's" Rights? Is she grouping gay rights with this one?
4. Right from her website...stregthen middle class...
As president, Hillary will:

Make health care affordable and accessible to every American.
Reduce the cost of energy and make us energy independent.
Expand access to affordable, high-quality child care.
Make college more affordable.
Protect families from predatory lenders and help them avoid foreclosures.
Increase the minimum wage.
Create good jobs with good wages to expand the middle class.
Balance the federal budget so we don't pass today's massive debts to the next generation.
Reward savings, protect pensions, and provide greater retirement security.
uhhh...don't we all want these things? Bush and the repugs have confirmed their way is "666". Hillary's way might work -- but she's also beholden to "666" as well. I'm NOT for more government -- just less "corporate democracy". Hate France all you want to -- but from I stand I looks mighty good for the average worker.
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Re: America Inc.

Go live in the land of appeasement. Muslim's will kill you as soon as they take over, that or convert you.

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Re: America Inc.

Corporate democracy is the only reason "they" want to kill you (i.e. Exxon et al). Become more like Canada and live in peace (if our Christian fundies don't get us killed for defending a rogue state like Israel).

Verizon is just par for the course in a corp. democracy.
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lots of Muslims live here in New York. They are hard working tax paying law abiding citizens. You sir are the threat to freedom and democracy.
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Re: America Inc.

THANKS!
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lots of Muslims live here in New York. They are hard working tax paying law abiding citizens. You sir are the threat to freedom and democracy.
So what part about killing muslims in Iraq did you misunderstand? I said nothing about killing muslims in New York, the jihadist already tried to do that, along with the Christians, Jews, Hindus and All the rest. I am for killing those that resist our conquest and put our soldiers at risk.

Maybe Fascism is the only goverment that can rule these people. They only understand power. A repubulican goverment, like ours, is difficult to understand. Most of you will call it a democracy, but it is far from what we have, or from what our founding fathers wanted.

If it spills over into IRAN, so be it. Those people need to be taught to respect the power of American might, and fear the mushroom cloud!

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Ok, well, advocating the extermination of a culture is where this stunning intellectual exchange ends, I'm afraid.

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Hate France all you want to -- but from I stand I looks mighty good for the average worker.
France Declares Bankruptcy »www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh···a124.xml

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said by ronpin See Profile :

said by RogerADSL See Profile :

1. Socialized Medicine
2. $5000 voucher for every new kid
3. "Woman's" Rights? Is she grouping gay rights with this one?
4. Right from her website...stregthen middle class...
As president, Hillary will:

Make health care affordable and accessible to every American.
Reduce the cost of energy and make us energy independent.
Expand access to affordable, high-quality child care.
Make college more affordable.
Protect families from predatory lenders and help them avoid foreclosures.
Increase the minimum wage.
Create good jobs with good wages to expand the middle class.
Balance the federal budget so we don't pass today's massive debts to the next generation.
Reward savings, protect pensions, and provide greater retirement security.
uhhh...don't we all want these things?
NO!
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Re: America Inc.

said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by ronpin See Profile :

said by RogerADSL See Profile :

1. Socialized Medicine
2. $5000 voucher for every new kid
3. "Woman's" Rights? Is she grouping gay rights with this one?
4. Right from her website...stregthen middle class...
As president, Hillary will:

Make health care affordable and accessible to every American.
Reduce the cost of energy and make us energy independent.
Expand access to affordable, high-quality child care.
Make college more affordable.
Protect families from predatory lenders and help them avoid foreclosures.
Increase the minimum wage.
Create good jobs with good wages to expand the middle class.
Balance the federal budget so we don't pass today's massive debts to the next generation.
Reward savings, protect pensions, and provide greater retirement security.
uhhh...don't we all want these things?
NO!
At least not on the backs of taxpayers.

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said by RogerADSL See Profile :

At least not on the backs of taxpayers.
But there are a lot of taxpayers that don't even have insurance.
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they don't? So it the goverments job to provide this to them? Not in my copy of the Constitution.

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your copy of the constitution is covered in crayola marks and has a word jumble and a maze to to get ronald macdonald to the cheeseburger without running into the hamburgler.
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Morbo, I will have to accuse you of spying! VERY Funny!
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So, in your view, it should be like this...

Make health care a benefit of the rich. Everyone else just get's sick and dies.
Keep supporting the terrorist by buying their oil.
Stop mothers from working, they should be at home raising the kids anyway.
College is like health care, only the rich should be allowed to go.
Let's start up MORE slimy mortgage brokers, and break the economy even MORE!
Let's LOWER the minimum wage, If you can't live off $5.00/hr ($200.00/week), then you should live on the street.
Lets keep paying our executives more and more, and let them oursource all our manufacturing, technical and skilled positions overseas. Everyone else can get a job at McDonalds for $5.00/hr
Let's keep spending and cutting taxes! That's the solution to the future.
Stop SAVING. The megacorps NEED your money! Let's INCREASE the penalties for saving! (but, with 5.00/hour jobs, that shouldn't be too hard)
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I am not a socialist but I would have to say these are all things I am sure as hell worried about. I am in my middle 30's and thinking about what is going to happen when I am old and grey attempting retirement. Some of my co-workers can barely walk up the stairs nowadays but they cant retire at 65 because it too darned expensive!!!!!!. Healthcare is way out of line. The deficit is outrageous and I think most of us would like to think of ourselves as middleclass but paying the bills sure is getting hard lately.
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I'd rather be a socialist than a fascist.
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I'd rather be a socialist than a fascist.
Why?
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Can anybody tell me how the current state of personal freedoms in America is any different from communist or fascists countries?
We don't kill people when they try to leave the country.
People that criticize government (like you) don't get put in prison.
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said by ronpin See Profile :

Can anybody tell me how the current state of personal freedoms in America is any different from communist or fascists countries?
We don't kill people when they try to leave the country.
People that criticize government (like you) don't get put in prison.
Where've you been? It's happening brother (extraordinary rendition). OK, it's only just started -- so we still have a chance to stop it.
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said by footballdude See Profile :

said by ronpin See Profile :

Can anybody tell me how the current state of personal freedoms in America is any different from communist or fascists countries?
We don't kill people when they try to leave the country.
People that criticize government (like you) don't get put in prison.
Where've you been? It's happening brother (extraordinary rendition). OK, it's only just started -- so we still have a chance to stop it.
Ummm, do you have a single example of a person who criticized the government, or simply tried to leave the country being subject to rendition???? I think you are a little confused here!
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Ummm, do you have a single example of a person who criticized the government, or simply tried to leave the country being subject to rendition???? I think you are a little confused here!
Sure he does... he saw that movie about it
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Ummm, do you have a single example of a person who criticized the government, or simply tried to leave the country being subject to rendition???? I think you are a little confused here!
Sure he does... he saw that movie about it
I can't remember too well, but didn't Eartha Kitt get in trouble once for criticizing the government?
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said by ronpin See Profile :

Can anybody tell me how the current state of personal freedoms in America is any different from communist or fascists countries? Since the 60's it's been "America Inc." -- and your only as good as your last day here (at work that is).
For starters, there's no "Inc." in communism.

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Nice Straw Man. "Our freedoms are teh destroyed!!!"
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Oops, you missed an important fact, If you are rational, then your views will be conservative. It's logical. I am not some Neocon, but a conservative. You can understand that by lowering taxes, you can raise the revenue. I think that people should have to pass an IQ test to run for office. (Cynthia McKinney is the best example we have, and she's from right here in GA!) So I suggest you sit down in your thinking chair and try to get a little rational on us.

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