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Verizon & AT&T Defend 'Anti-Tech' Positions
Telco policy men point fingers elsewhere...
(old news - 01:49PM Tuesday Jan 08 2008)
tags: legal · coverage · business · Op/Ed · telco · Politics
PC World columnist Mark Sullivan last month penned a column in which he listed the five most "anti-tech" industries in America. On that list twice were the folks at AT&T and Verizon, not only for their positions against network neutrality, but also for their history of shirking rural Americans when it comes to broadband penetration. Sullivan says he got to meet up with AT&T and Verizon's top lobbyists at CES, who tried to correct his perceptions.

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Jim Ciccione, AT&T's head lobbyist beats the traditional deregulatory drum, telling Sullivan that it's the "regulatory environment in the U.S." that is making it hard to increase broadband speed and availability. Of course in reality the last two FCC bosses have been great friends to the telcos and deregulated the industry substantially. Meanwhile AT&T's fastest speed offered to consumers is 6Mbps, a choice that had more to do with impatient investors than regulation.

While Verizon has done a great job with FiOS in major markets, rural DSL isn't enough of a money maker for the company, which is clearly why it isn't deployed. However, Verizon VP of Public Policy Tom Tauke blames the math for the lack of rural broadband in America. OECD data that shows the United States is fifteenth in broadband penetration simply isn't reliable, insists the lobbyist.
Tauke took issue with the OECD data I cited, saying that U.S. broadband growth can't be measured the same way it is in other smaller, more densely populated countries like Korea and Japan. Also, Tauke points out, the OECD studydidn't count Americans whose broadband connections are wireless, or through their work connection.
Both Ciccione and Tauke also called for a complete overhaul of the FCC, insisting it was no longer relevant for the modern market. That's ironic, given that most consumer advocates would tell you that the FCC has become irrelevant because it has given the industry's major phone companies everything they've wanted (franchise reform, the elimination of line sharing, fewer price restrictions) consistently for the better part of the last decade.

It's likely the folks at both companies fear a changing of the FCC guard with the coming election, and wouldn't mind having the agency's wings clipped -- just in case Commissioner Michael J. Copps, a frequent telco critic, gets the nod as the new FCC boss.

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bgraham

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edit:
January 8th, @01:57PM

Regarding broadband penetration

They have a company to run and profits to be made so who is expecting them to run fiber in rural Maine.

NY, NJ etc are much better places to pick up customers.

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Re: Regarding broadband penetration

said by bgraham See Profile :

They have a company to run and profits to be made so who is expecting them to run fiber in rural Maine.

NY, NJ etc are much better places to pick up customers.
Correct. Which is why these fiber deployments are going on in areas where people are going to buy the service, where people can afford to pay for it, and you have a large penetration of people.
Xure

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January 8th, @04:34PM

Re: Regarding broadband penetration

said by Nightfall See Profile :

Correct. Which is why these fiber deployments are going on in areas where
people are going to buy the service, where people can afford to pay for it, and
you have a large penetration of people.
Yes.. they will certainly deploy only in the areas where they can have this large penetration of people.

You have the Big Telco MO down to a tee. If the big ol' expensive phone company can't have this, they will not deploy. Thank you FCC!
james1

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Isn't the whole point that they were given special treatment by the government, on the condition that a certain percentage of their deployments be in rural areas?

morbo
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Re: Regarding broadband penetration

that and the billions is tax breaks, yes.
james1

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Re: Regarding broadband penetration

Doesn't a tax break count as special treatment?

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Re: Regarding broadband penetration

said by james1 See Profile :

Doesn't a tax break count as special treatment?
[sarcasm] no, tax breaks are something the rich and powerful get every day... [/sarcasm] (unfortunately,thats more true than not in the last 5 years)
jjeffeory

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They should run fiber everywhere. We had the USF to help with the costs and where did the money go? Making money is great, but so is progress on all fronts. This is a utility like power or regular phone that should be available everywhere. Oh, and what is the USF for?

zen6

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Re: Regarding broadband penetration

The usf went to verizon and att profits.

alex goldman

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Re: Regarding broadband penetration

I talked to a WISP in Colorado who complained that his neighbors who live there the whole year didn't qualify for USF because their town had 1,000 people in it, but that the ski shacks on the slopes, occupied a month each year, did qualify for USF.

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said by jjeffeory See Profile :

They should run fiber everywhere. We had the USF to help with the costs and where did the money go? Making money is great, but so is progress on all fronts. This is a utility like power or regular phone that should be available everywhere. Oh, and what is the USF for?
And to think, many decades ago, they said the same thing bout running party lines (open wire) from arm to arm, pole to pole. They had to start somewhere and it's been a never ending battle. So, why do they not want to deploy fiber? Because there is more then one big boy on the block and if they have an all exclusive area (cherry picking), they don't want it.. VZ is still unable to see ANY reason to deploy FIOS in the Detroit metro area (much less rural area) because Comcast, WOW, TW, and AT&T have the market all but sowed up. That's why I don't use VZ for ANYTHING and will use PAY AS YOU GO before I'll ever use their crappy wireless service. They have a right to turn a profit and I have the right to not use their service(s)...

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USF is for providing basic POTS, not internet. The laws need to be changed to provide USF funds for broadband penetration (1+Mbps) This is the biggest reason people have been pushing for broadband to be labled a Utility like power, water, and phone.

SkyBlue

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Watch out!

"It's likely the folks at both companies fear a changing of the FCC guard with the coming election, and wouldn't mind having the agency's wings clipped -- just in case Commissioner Michael J. Copps, a frequent telco critic, got the nod as the new FCC boss."

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Yeh they better watch out before someone else takes a different stance like Copps.

Wonder what changes Copss would make to the FCC dealings with the BELLS.


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January 8th, @02:40PM

Re: Watch out!

said by SkyBlue See Profile :

"It's likely the folks at both companies fear a changing of the FCC guard with the coming election, and wouldn't mind having the agency's wings clipped -- just in case Commissioner Michael J. Copps, a frequent telco critic, got the nod as the new FCC boss."

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Yeh they better watch out before someone else takes a different stance like Copps.

Wonder what changes Copss would make to the FCC dealings with the BELLS.


That might depend on what happens to Republican Commissioner Tate whose term expired 6/30/2007. She has stayed on and her re-nomination is pending and no one has been nominated to replace her. IF Bush can get her re-approved or a new Republican nominated and approved to replace her before he leaves office, then the FCC stays Republican thru at least 6/30/2009(when McDowell's term expires) unless a Republican Commissioner resigns in the meantime.

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To add to the building pressure on FCC members, Sen. Lott noted that there are pending nominations for two sitting FCC commissioners: Democrat Jonathan Adelstein and Republican Deborah Tate.

Though Lott had high praise for Adelstein, he said he hoped Tate will help keep the other Republican commissioners in line on this week’s vote. It was a subtle, but stark reminder that only a single senator can block a commissioner’s renomination to the FCC.
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Re: Watch out!

said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

Yeh they better watch out before someone else takes a different stance like Copps.

Wonder what changes Copss would make to the FCC dealings with the BELLS.
Yep, he might actually starting enforcing federal law, as written in the 1996 Telecom Act, rather than finding all sorts of lame excuses not to (e.g., the infamous "broadband is deployed in the whole county if it is deployed to one person in that county"). Said law requires the FCC to "take action" if they determine broadband isn't being deployed to all Americans in a timely manner.

Of course, the President said we'd all have affordable braodband available to us as of a week ago, so this is all supposed to be a moot point.

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cableties
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That is a great pic of Tauke!

He looks like the slimy, greedy little piggy that he is. And from such a trough he feeds from. Throw some more "piggie" to the politicos, Tauke. (Ironic last name, eh?)

SkyBlue

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Re: That is a great pic of Tauke!

said by cableties See Profile :

He looks like the slimy, greedy little piggy that he is. And from such a trough he feeds from. Throw some more "piggie" to the politicos, Tauke. (Ironic last name, eh?)
He looks like one of those Old Russian presidents.

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Limited bandwidth is artificial


Meanwhile AT&T's fastest speed offered to consumers
is 6Mbps, a choice that had more to do with impatient
investors than regulation.


The choice of copper based VDSL2 was based upon time to market, but I don't agree that this limits consumers to 6 Mbps.

Here are my thoughts on why consumers are limited to 6 Mbps, instead of the much faster 24 Mbps minimum that's actually being delivered on the VDSL2 loop: »corp.sonic.net/blog/2008/01/08/s···-anyway/

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Re: Limited bandwidth is artificial

Great article. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Limited bandwidth is artificial

said by fatmanskinny See Profile :

Great article. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks!

-Dane

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January 8th, @03:05PM

Video is a time sensitive application. You only need 2-3 Mbps of download to watch HD, but because of the volitility and capacity limits on the Internet backbone are the reasons why you can't watch HD over the net. If they allowed quality of service over the Internet with an increased backbone, which AT&T is working on and has already implemented some, then I think you'd see an increase in IPTV competition, but the consumers are against quality of service for their so valued "network neutrality".
bogey780

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Re: Limited bandwidth is artificial

Consumers have the network they're willing to pay for from AT&T et al. Everything has costs and its frustrating when you're essentially dealing with one side that when it comes to facing those costs act more like children stamping their feet demaning that's it's unfair that they can't eat candy for dinner.

Funny everyone complains about ATT not offering 20Mb/s and whatnot while not making the connection that they are offering a generally reliable connection that doesn't have any caps.

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said by Mizzat See Profile :

Video is a time sensitive application. You only need 2-3 Mbps of download to watch HD, but because of the volitility and capacity limits on the Internet backbone are the reasons why you can't watch HD over the net. If they allowed quality of service over the Internet with an increased backbone, which AT&T is working on and has already implemented some, then I think you'd see an increase in IPTV competition, but the consumers are against quality of service for their so valued "network neutrality".
What kind of HD can you push over 2-3Mbps?

Perhaps you mean 2-3MBps or 16-24Mbps?

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Re: Limited bandwidth is artificial

Nope, I had it right the first time. Compression. You really think you're getting two 16-24 Mbps streams from your cable carrier for HD?

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Re: Limited bandwidth is artificial

said by Mizzat See Profile :

Nope, I had it right the first time. Compression. You really think you're getting two 16-24 Mbps streams from your cable carrier for HD?
It's a hell of a lot more than 2-4Mbps.

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Re: Limited bandwidth is artificial

said by MattE See Profile :

said by Mizzat See Profile :

Nope, I had it right the first time. Compression. You really think you're getting two 16-24 Mbps streams from your cable carrier for HD?
It's a hell of a lot more than 2-4Mbps.
You're right, it is about 5 Mbps.

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EXACTLY. Great article. The point is to keep people as slave-sumers and mine their wallets, not empower them to actually do something *useful* with their Internet access and save money.

The last thing these giants want is to offer US consumers a way to save money. They want ways to FORCE you to pay more.
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I am soooo against government ...

...interfering in private enterprise it pains me to say this, but,

BROADBAND NEEDS TO BE BUILT OUT JUST LIKE THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM. CLEARLY THE ECONOMICS AREN'T THERE FOR PRIVATE ENTERPRISE TO DO THE JOB.

It's going to have to be done by the public sector to get us 100% coverage at acceptable connection speed.

We have no choice.

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Re: I am soooo against government ...

said by JoeyDee See Profile :

BROADBAND NEEDS TO BE BUILT OUT JUST LIKE THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM. CLEARLY THE ECONOMICS AREN'T THERE FOR PRIVATE ENTERPRISE TO DO THE JOB.
Is that why we are always stuck in traffic every day on the Interstate? Why doesn't the government fix that?
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Re: I am soooo against government ...

said by pnh102 See Profile :

Is that why we are always stuck in traffic every day on the Interstate? Why doesn't the government fix that?
they are - they are selling road systems to private industry so they can turn them into toll roads. that will keep the riff-raff off the roads and they won't be so crowded.

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factchecker

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Fact is, though, private enterprise could NOT build a better road system either and you would have the same gridlock.

Gridlock comes from two sources - idiots and design. The idiot part is self explanatory - some guy tail gating slams on his brakes causing a chain reaction that eventually results in backups, etc. etc.

As to design, done mostly by PRIVATE companies, the problem is not that the design is bad, but that the design and construction are ALWAYS behind the traffic flow. There's an interchange near here that, when construction started, the specs were just fine. However, in the time since the construction started, traffic patterns have changed and the problem is back. Road construction, no matter who does it, is ALWAYS behind the traffic patterns it is looking to correct/improve.
aeblank

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Re: I am soooo against government ...

said by factchecker :

the problem is not that the design is bad, but that the design and construction are ALWAYS behind the traffic flow.
I totally disagree. You *notice* when that happens.

When you get in a car accident you say 'man, if i was only 10 seconds later'. How many times were you 10 seconds later and just didn't know it?

I'm very frustrated with broadband. I'm 5 miles from the expressway, meijer, walmart, home depot, mc sports, abc warehouse, and many smaller places. I can't get JACK. I'd pay $50/mo. for 1.5M DSL. I can't. I'm 2 miles from cable and 7 miles from the CO. I'm screwed for probably at least 10 years. They won't deploy.
bjbrock

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We are stuck in traffic everyday because of idiot drivers and not a lack of a great interstate system. Wrecks and people driving with a cell phone stuck to their head cause traffic slowdowns.

I think it's time for the government to nationalize broadband and get rid of the greedy corps that are strangling its growth.

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Re: I am soooo against government ...

Then you obviously have not seen malfunction junction just slightly north of Dayton, Ohio or saw the old insipid design of the I70/75 interchange a bit farther north of Dayton...

while inattentiveness does cause problems - PLENTY of stupid designs caused many, many accidents before cell phones even existed.
lovswr

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Re: I am soooo against government ...

Talk about memories. I grew up in Trotwood & back in High School (Class of '85 kickin' it Live) we used to go all through those intersections on our way to various locales in Mid-South Ohio (not to mention all the trouble we got into in Richmond, hehe)
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Most of the interstates are relatively clear, it's just at the huge population centers ( DC, NY, LA, San Fran, etc) where the "interstates" are congested. And yes, the gov't is trying to fix those problem points. That's what mass transit is for. Then interstate highway system work very well. I've driven over much of it, and it's great!
james1

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Is that why we are always stuck in traffic every day on the Interstate? Why doesn't the government fix that?
If all those office workers had a fiber optic internet connection they could easily do all their work from home and voila! Your highness has the road all to himself again.

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Re: I am soooo against government ...

said by james1 See Profile :

If all those office workers had a fiber optic internet connection they could easily do all their work from home and voila! Your highness has the road all to himself again.
Most US cities have connectivity that makes working from home possible.
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said by JoeyDee See Profile :

....
BROADBAND NEEDS TO BE BUILT OUT JUST LIKE THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM. CLEARLY THE ECONOMICS AREN'T THERE FOR PRIVATE ENTERPRISE TO DO THE JOB.

..
you absolutely, positively hit the nail on the head. Much as I hate the cable and phone companies, these guys are doing what their investors want them to do - maximize profit. The investors could care less about broadband speeds or prices or comprehensive coverage, they just want to make as much money as they can.

If our government is too corrupt or lazy or ideological to properly regulate these industries to ensure competition (which in turn should bring reasonable prices, faster speeds and full coverage), then the government itself should ensure it gets done.

these industries have set the U.S. back several years in the broadband revolution and if something isn't done soon we will get so far behind we'll never crawl out of the hole they have created.

I also might add it's not that the economics aren't there, it's that these corporations don't give a sh1t about their customers and are only interested in extracting maximum revenue from their customer base and there is no competition to temper that.

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Re: I am soooo against government ...

said by nasadude See Profile :

said by JoeyDee See Profile :

....
BROADBAND NEEDS TO BE BUILT OUT JUST LIKE THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM. CLEARLY THE ECONOMICS AREN'T THERE FOR PRIVATE ENTERPRISE TO DO THE JOB.

..
...
I also might add it's not that the economics aren't there, it's that these corporations don't give a sh1t about their customers and are only interested in extracting maximum revenue from their customer base and there is no competition to temper that.
That's their job. Their franchise is to make money from the funds put forth by the investors. Nowhere is it written that things need be done by privately owned entities for the "good of the people." Free enterprise / capitalistic system and all that. I love and respect it.

If you run a hot dog stand in Rockville Maryland is it your responsibility to deliver hot dogs to Bowie Maryland even if you loose money doing so?

I'm only suggesting that there are projects of such magnitude and of such obvious benefit to the country that we need to do them as public sector projects. Not a federal ISP rather the electronic equivalent of a Department of Transportation who is in charge of keeping the highways open and useful.

Couldn't cost as much as the highways. Only now I'm afraid there is so much petty self interest in government that it could never be accomplished. Look what happened with San Francisco's free wi-fi. The dumb ass board of supervisors tried to make it a social experiment instead of a computer network connection.

Ahh well....

Richard B
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Just like here in Portland Oregon where their is a major bottle neck because I-5 is just two lanes each way for over 40 years. The problem is any transportation money was diverted for Light rail and trains than road. I can see the same thing happens with broadband.

The same thing with broadband if we let government regulated it. Either we end up killing or inhibiting growth with the telecoms with regulation or brodband will lose out to other liberal int rest and entitlements. Ie the universal heath care advoicates and the public service unions.

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I don't understand

How is against "network neutrality" against tech? The incumbents want to ADD technology onto the net such as Class of Service recognition over the Internet. It is in use and demand in the business world already.

Of course, I'm against the blocking of content, but that isn't what the US telcos are really pushing for from what I've seen, but that what propagandist are pursuing. Of course there is the Comcast debacle, but that isn't content blocking, it was service blocking, affecting only peer-to-peer packets, not blocking certain websites based on the incumbents beliefs.
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bogey780

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Re: I don't understand

Add in that for being "anti-tech", AT&T is developing a nationwide broadcasting network unlike any other current video vendor using the latest in traffic engineering and design.
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January 8th, @02:52PM

Need more info

References are made here about how much penetration and speed is available in the US vs. other countries. Other references are made indicating that the problem in the US is lack of competition. My question, which I could not find the answer to in the OECD data, is how much 'last mile' infrastructure (fiber, copper, wireless, etc.) competition exists in these other countries? Or is the 'last mile' owned/subsidized by the gov't?
guardfrog

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Giving Google a free pass

quote:
By this I meant that the big U.S. telephone companies' failure to offer faster broadband is hindering the emergence of a whole new wave of innovative, connected devices, and applications--things like telemedicine apps, advanced teleconferencing and 3D interactive TV.
So, big U.S. telephone companies should spend billions to upgrade their networks...but not be able to recoup some of those costs by charging application providers who make money off of the phone companies' investments?

That's not anti-tech...it's anti-common sense.
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Re: Giving Google a free pass

I don't understand. The customer is paying for X amount of bandwidth. The big bad application provider is paying for X amount of bandwidth.

THAT is common sense.

If big bad application provider only has 100mb of upstream, and 200 customers using 1mb/sec to use it, well then, it won't work well. The big bad application provider will need to BUY MORE BANDWIDTH.

I think what you are complaining about is people using the product they paid for, right? I mean, if comcrap sold me 10mb/sec, then I EXPECT TO GET 10mb/sec. If comcrap sold 100 people 10mb/sec, and they only had a 100mb pipe, then just like the BIG BAD application provider, they need to buy more bandwidth (upgrade). However, if comcast only SOLD 1mb/sec, and had 100 people, with a 100mb pipe, it wouldn't be a problem, EVER.
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They got billions of dollars to upgrade their networks via the USF.

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said by guardfrog See Profile :

So, big U.S. telephone companies should spend billions to upgrade their networks...but not be able to recoup some of those costs by charging application providers who make money off of the phone companies' investments?
Newsflash. They do charge application providers, service providers, or anyone else. They charge them for their bandwidth. If you're saying "They should charge them for their bandwidth, and also force them to pay for us to upgrade our networks, too!" then the answer is Yes, that would be Anti-Tech.
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Explain how Google gets a free pass.

Are you saying Google isn't charged anything for their connection and usage? Because you sure sound like that's your claim.

"Free pass" indeed.

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You want common sense? Put all that undeserved money that the telco corporate execs and CEOs get for sitting there doing nothing but blowing smoke up peoples' arses and put it into upgrading their equipment/network.

They'd also save a bit of money if they bribed a few less government officials too.

They'll recoup their losses over time as customers pay for their service naturally.. That and the Universal Slush Fund needs to be taken away.. it's not supposed to be the CEO's play money.
awesomepatro

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Subsidy or languish

Everyone other country that has superior broadband infrastructure vis-a-vis the United States has achieved that through some form of government subsidy or, in some cases, government mandate.

That's what it will take for the U.S. to get a similar system, because it's quite obvious that the telcos and cable companies are not going to provide it otherwise. There is really nothing way that the FCC (corrupt and terrible as it has become) could give the companies any MORE incentive to deploy than they already have. Don't want to line share? Ok! Want to redline? Hooray!
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Don't forget about B.S. patents

AT&T enforced their patent of using standard telephone equipment with VOIP against Vonage.
AT&T claimed Vonage used proprietary technology that allowed Vonage to make VoIP calls possible using traditional telephones hooked up to a Vonage-branded router. »www.crn.com/networking/205203144
A B.S. patent enforced by an anti-competitive, anti-technology and anti-progress company.

For ten years I've lived in the middle of the 18th largest metropolitan area with no DSL. Just last month AT&T announces their Universe service is available in my area. Can I get it? No. Same situation as 10 years ago with no improvement.

Luckily I haven't directly funded them since 2003 when I ditched them for VOIP service. Of course now I pay USF which as far as I'm concerned, is like indirectly funding their executive pension fund.
ltjordan

join:2001-12-02
Hyattsville, MD

Name that tune.

I've heard this song and dance somewhere before, "It's not our fault, it's theirs." It's time for a new tune, fellas.
BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Is this guy stupid or what?

"Also, Tauke points out, the OECD studydidn't count Americans whose broadband connections are wireless, or through their work connection."

A) maybe people would like to have broadband AT HOME, not only at work where one would suspect he/she should be using it for WORK.

B) wireless? Please the only areas that have broad through wireless are people that live in highly populated areas that are already served by cable and/or DSL.

My best friend who lives a measly 4 miles from town only "wireless" options are satellite which is a joke or getting it through his cell phone company which charges $60 a month for speeds equivalent to dial-up and has a 5 GB a month cap. Who in the hell does this guy think he's kidding?

All these companies don't go to rural areas because they claim there's no money to be made. that's bullshit. First of all, 16% of American still use dial-up. While some may use it because that's all they think they need the vast majority use because they have no other choice. 32% Of Americans have no internet at all. Ok most probably because they either don't need it or want it, but some( like my friend ) because dial-up isn't worth the hassle or the money. So 110 million households in America 20-25 MILLION live in areas where there isn't any broadband and who WANT it and are willing to PAY for it. Don't tell me they can't make money from 25 MILLION households. If they can't may I suggest finding another line of work.
talz13

join:2006-03-15
Avon Lake, OH

Absolute comparisons with other countries?

I know that the broadband penetration rates are usually listed in percentages or something, but I've wondered what the penetration is in terms of land area. Since the US is so large, it must have a fairly large amount of area that has broadband coverage. Obviously, low population areas aren't going to have the same coverage, like wyoming, montana, or alaska and wherever else they have lots of unpopulated area.

In an absolute sense