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CajunTek
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Arlington, TX | VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy Now I fully understand why I am a conservative... 
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| Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy These stances are not so much a conservative vs. liberal issue, they're not even a Democrat vs. Republican issue. If you look at FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) for example, which (among other things) gave broad immunity to the telcos for their wiretapping without warrants - crossed party lines - though, all the nay votes came from Democrats.
The fact is, there are very few legislators that truly take up the anti-RIAA and anti-MPAA cause. Even fewer who would stand up for privacy rights, and risk being labeled as "un-American" for being "soft on terror/crime/etc".
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| Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy Sadly though, the most prominent democrat (Obama) in our media gave a YAY!! (presumably because some teleco gave him some cha-ching).
In terms of parties, I'm a neither. Claiming to be a conservative or liberal (or do they like the term "progressive" I never figured that out) is probably a bs claim for a good majority of the population. The only reason people take the side of "conservative" or "liberal" is because we have a two candidate system in our elections. It's either the republican candidate wins or the democrat candidate wins.
Conserving implies that you want to keep everything the same as it is now, and right now it's broken (of course they've strayed from this principle a lot in the past 20 years) "Progressive" implies the liberal use of the "yay" vote on unnecessary, constitution-destroying legislation, and the introduction of such legislation as well.
I'm a Libertarian. I like the liberties given to me by the constitution, and I'd like to get my rights back.
One of these rights would be privacy, and I'm appalled at both Obama's and Biden's respective voting records. No, McCain is not any better. | |
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1 edit | Conservative is just another name for Republican, let's face it. We've seen that party tout their "Conservative" Nature since Regan and look what that got us.
Regan
1) Olive North and Arms Trading to Iran
2) Funding the Sandistas and propping to power Dictators in South America
3) Our first Trillion Dollar Deficit
Bush Sr.
1) Kuwait
2) More trillion Dollar Deficit
3) Crapped Economy
Bush Jr.
1) Iraq - Nothing to do with 9/11 or Terror
2) Afghanistan - Maybe a link. Yet we put the Taliban in Power and trained them. WTF Bush Sr.
3) 5.5 Trillion Deficit.
4) Record and Historical Inflation
5) NSA Wiretappings
6) Guantanamo Bay
7) Suspension of Habeous Corpus
8) Military Commissions Act
9) Bad economy
10 Best of all no Room to Speak on the world platform. Loved how Bush talked about Russia invading sovereign nations. Doh, you forget Iraq and Afghanistan....
Strange enough, Every one of these guys called themselves a conservative. Don't get me wrong, Democrats aren't usually a whole lot better, especially the one's we got now. I can't stand that Obama Supported Fisa and his VP is Anti everything technology and voted for Iraq. Yet, McCain is all that plus supporting torture and wanting to extend Iraq. Both our choices suck.
I consider myself wanting someone WHO ISN'T affiliated with a "party" but is there to serve the people. Since 3rd parties won't ever win (sigh) and change the pattern, I definitely don't consider myself conservative. At least I can stay Abortion Rights, No Religion in School (School is there to learn, NOT DEBATE "GOD".. Pay for a Private school if you want that), and support of Marriage for all is still Democratic Stances. These seem to be the only ones they haven't yet SCREWED UP. Yes, the Democrats SUCK as bad as the Right. Being a "Conservative", I'm sure you disagree with those stances. | |
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Tsume
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Johnson City, TN | Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy 3rd parties don't win because people are afraid to "throw away" their vote.
There are no throw-away votes. How else could a movement be built? | |
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| Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy Ron Paul isn't a 3rd party choice. Check his voting record, and he's just as Republican Affiliated as the rest.. Seriously. By 3rd Party I meant Green, Libertarian, or Independent. Ron Paul Offers about as much "change" as "Obama" will give us, which wouldn't be much. I'm just hoping if he wins, things don't get progressively worse. I fear if McCain wins, we're in for a world of shit. If Obama wins, I just hope he doesn't mess them up more. Staying the same at this point is the best we can hope for. I'm realistic. I'd rather Obama wins and smiles for the next 4 years, than McCain who will keep this same crap going. Personally, If I had my choice, I'd say to hell with all these politicians, it's time we form parties where ordinary people can win the elections. Today, it's all about money, versus representation. Quite sad. I think the people who could do the best job, often don't make it. I really did like Chris Dodd. I think he was actually one of those guys that spoke for the people. A Rarity in politics. | |
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| Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy said by jc100  :Ron Paul isn't a 3rd party choice. Check his voting record, and he's just as Republican Affiliated as the rest.. Seriously. By 3rd Party I meant Green, Libertarian, or Independent. Ron Paul Offers about as much "change" as "Obama" will give us, which wouldn't be much. I'm just hoping if he wins, things don't get progressively worse. I fear if McCain wins, we're in for a world of shit. If Obama wins, I just hope he doesn't mess them up more. Staying the same at this point is the best we can hope for. I'm realistic. I'd rather Obama wins and smiles for the next 4 years, than McCain who will keep this same crap going. Personally, If I had my choice, I'd say to hell with all these politicians, it's time we form parties where ordinary people can win the elections. Today, it's all about money, versus representation. Quite sad. I think the people who could do the best job, often don't make it. I really did like Chris Dodd. I think he was actually one of those guys that spoke for the people. A Rarity in politics. I liked Ron Paul because he wanted to do away with all of these idiotic government agencies. That's a "change I can believe in". Better change than Obama or McCain in my book.
Now that Paul isn't on the republican ticket, I'm voting for Bob Barr. I just haven't updated my avatar yet. | |
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| Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy I can't say I know much about Bob Barr. However, Ralph Nader who I saw you mention below, is a smart Cookie. But let's be pragmatic a second. There's no such thing as a wasted vote, but there is one that won't count. By this, the Majority of Americans are going to vote for the two party system. Until such time as one of these 3rd Parties becomes mainstream, their chances are nil. I'd like to believe otherwise, but reality dictates. Unfortunate, isn't it. | |
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| Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy said by jc100 :I can't say I know much about Bob Barr. However, Ralph Nader who I saw you mention below, is a smart Cookie. But let's be pragmatic a second. There's no such thing as a wasted vote, but there is one that won't count. By this, the Majority of Americans are going to vote for the two party system. Until such time as one of these 3rd Parties becomes mainstream, their chances are nil. I'd like to believe otherwise, but reality dictates. Unfortunate, isn't it. I'm going to keep voting for the 3rd party to help it happen.
Bob Barr has a voting record that's, IMO, not as up to par with Ron Paul... but he's apologized for some of the stupider things he's voted on and his recent record is good. I'd take his word over Obama's unapologetic voting yes on FISA.
Nader is a smart one too, unfortunately I think people have been implanted with a negative opinion of him through the mainstream media, so I'm going to give my shot to the guy with the new name. | |
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| Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy Sorry to break it to you, but a third party will never happen. That's not to say Democrats and Republicans will always be the two parties, but with voting it's always gonna end up as two parties. It's just simple logic and human nature.
For example, take parties A (smallest), B, and C (B & C are about equal). Parties B and C are gonna do everything they can to get voters from A to come to their group. Now say if some people go to party B to where they have the most -- this means both A and C will lose. If anyone in A doesn't want B to win, they'll go to C to hopefully overcome B. That leaves A with less and less people.
Don't get me wrong -- I'd love to have more than two real choices even though I (mostly) agree with Obama, but it just isn't gonna happen as people vote just as much against someone as they vote for someone else, if not more. Example: I think many people will vote for Obama as a vote against McCain rather than a vote for Obama.
It's sad but true.
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| As I, too, was a Ron Paul supporter, I thought I would take a look at Bob Barr's voting history to see if he aligned with my political beliefs.
It's very much like you said - in the past few years, he's had a great voting record(IMHO). But when you go back to 1998-2003 or so, he took a lot of questionable positions. Requiring prayer in school, voting YES on making appeals to the death penalty harder... I don't know, seems like he was (at least at one time) very much unlike Ron Paul.
I question why he's changed his opinions so drastically these past few years. Not that there's anything wrong with people changing their opinions, but some of his prior stances seem downright dangerous.
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy No that'd be McCain. After all, his lips are locked so tight, I'm amazed he hasn't suffocated. Obama isn't much better but at least chose a rant that doesn't sound ignorant. | |
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| imo, depending on the case, not voting is no throwing away your vote. what if there are no candidates that are worth voting for? just pick the lesser of the N evils? being vocal on saying i'm not voting at all for some reason like no one is worth voting for (backed up with why each candidate is not worthy) should send a message to the politicians that something is not right with them. they may think that all people that don't vote are idiots, don't understand the government, or too lazy (which may be true in some cases). what if people are too disgusted with the current state of the government is the reason. doesn't take long to find something on TV that shows some political leader is throwing a trantrum because he said or did that while the true issues at hand are being sidelined, sometimes it seems that vacations (not like they don't take enough or anything) are put infront of getting a bill through. If need be, I'll vote for '3rd party' candidate, the libertarian party is looking awfully tempting.
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| Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy Well not voting also isn't good. Too bad we don't got real choices though. Seriously, we get Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb to vote for every 4 years. I'd like someone who is a person and representative first, and a politician last. John Stewart for President, anyone? He'd at least add some humor to the post! | |
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| said by jc100 :Conservative is just another name for Republican, let's face it. We've seen that party tout their "Conservative" Nature since Regan and look what that got us. Regan 1) Olive North and Arms Trading to Iran 2) Funding the Sandistas and propping to power Dictators in South America 3) Our first Trillion Dollar Deficit Bush Sr. 1) Kuwait 2) More trillion Dollar Deficit 3) Crapped Economy Bush Jr. 1) Iraq - Nothing to do with 9/11 or Terror 2) Afghanistan - Maybe a link. Yet we put the Taliban in Power and trained them. WTF Bush Sr. 3) 5.5 Trillion Deficit. 4) Record and Historical Inflation 5) NSA Wiretappings 6) Guantanamo Bay 7) Suspension of Habeous Corpus 8) Military Commissions Act 9) Bad economy 10 Best of all no Room to Speak on the world platform. Loved how Bush talked about Russia invading sovereign nations. Doh, you forget Iraq and Afghanistan.... Bad economy from Conservatives ????? Look what the hell Liberal democrats, in control of the Senate and House did.
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Democrats & Obama bringing change; but can we stand it?
George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations o'seas, living large!...
But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress & yep--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION
DOLLARS & prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~11,100--
$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR
STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT
PORTFOLIOS!
BTW, For as low an approval rating as GWB gets from the public. Democratic approval rating is less than GWB's, actually half as much. Yes, I agree the Democrats SUCK, twice as bad as the RINO's.
Want to place the blame on somebody? Then pin it where it belongs. On the current liberal democratic majority controlling congress. Where was congress, when Bush asked for immunity for teleco spying? Oh yea they said. Here it is George, no problem. Would you like anything else to go with that?. Where did those elected "democrats" go, who was going to stand up to GWB and his diabolical schemes, because they touted themselves champions of the people? They lied worse than the RINO's did.
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Our first Trillion Dollar Deficit came when democrats controlled congress under Regan and Bush Sr
Congress controls spending and holds the purse strings always did always will. Despite run-away spending by a democratic congress under Reagan & Bush Sr Administrations. The economy was stronger in those years to overcome runaway spending, than the havoc these ultra liberal leftwing socialist moonbats have created today.
Bush Jr.
1) Iraq - Nothing to do with 9/11 or Terror.... Iraq openly admitted it would give safe haven to terrorists. NO terrorists in Iraq? Right. Okay. Then why the horror of them strapping dynamite or C-4 to mentally challenged people and then blowing them to pieces?
2) Afghanistan - Maybe a link. Yet we put the Taliban in Power and trained them. WTF Bush Sr. Afghanistan.... No doubt about that link. Yes we did put the Taliban in Power. WTF? why mention GWB Sr, under your GWB JR heading?
3) 5.5 Trillion Deficit......See congress
4) Record and Historical Inflation.....See congress, the Fed.
5) NSA Wiretappings......See congress
6) Guantanamo Bay.....Club Med vacation compared to treatment Danny Pearl was given'
7) Suspension of Habeous Corpus.....Agree
8) Military Commissions Act.....Agree
9) Bad economy......See congress
10 Best of all no Room to Speak on the world platform. Loved how Bush talked about Russia invading sovereign nations. Doh, you forget Iraq and Afghanistan.... F the world platform. America should be our first concern. You forgot Georgia is a breakaway republic from and is still land mass belonging to the old u.s.s.r, can't recall it ever being a sovereign nation.
We attacked Iraq & Afghanistan, because of 9/11 terrorist attack and ties of terrorists to those countries. Russia is attacking solely to gain control of an oil pipeline. Ask the Europeans how cold last winter was when Russia shut off the flow of heating oil to them.Russia is killing/shooting/bombing innocent men women & children in Georgia. The world is quiet as a mouse. We make a terrorist sweat a little and liberals go nuts. Where the F is the worlds same outcry denouncing Russia's action as it complained about Gitmo?
Reagan trading arms to Iran? Must have been a secret, Iraq yes, Iran afaik no. Not saying it's not true. Since the Islamic revolution in the 1970's and Iran held Americans hostage for 444 days, this started when a democrat was president. His name Jimmy Carter. We sold arms to Iraq when they went to war with Iran.
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Glen Burnie, MD | Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy Stop using logic. | |
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| Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy Falsehoods and Farse rhetoric are not logic. He used TK JUNK MAIL'S PERSONAL BLOG. I'd believe that for a second and then realize that it lacks any credible truth. I'm sure if you match the time frames to what he claims.
Oil Prices
Decline in US dollar
Housing Market Busting (which is due to unchecked and unregulated industry left to simmer)
5.5 Trillion Deficit
etc
You'd find MOST HAPPENED under a Republican Congress with Bush at the Helm. Go figure. Democrats have ONLY been in office since November. Bush has been at it with his Congress for 7 years prior. | |
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1 edit | Let's start. My first person was George Bush Sr. Did you not bother reading?
Second.. YOU ARE QUOTING TJ JUNK MAIL'S Blog as PROOF??? WOW. That's a NEW ONE!!! He doesn't know truth if it bit him in the ass.
Let's just Start with Bush Jr since you concertedly SKIPPED his Dad.
1) Americans were SPENDING... MONEY THEY DID NOT HAVE. Hence the Housing Market Crash due to UNCHECKED lending industry.
2) Gas Prices Started out at 1 Dollar in 2000 and are now 4 dollars NOT due to the Democrats. They had Increased LONG before. We saw 3.60 a Gallon before they took office. Nice try though.
3) Consumer Confidence has been at all time lows actually. Look at the Standard and Poors index. People aren't too happy. Inflation under Bush has been at around 20 percent on many things. Don't blame the new Congress. They just took over in November. Bush and his Republican Congress seeded this crap for the past 7.5 years.
4) Bush's Deficit. Do you not recall it was a REPUBLICAN Congress? Yea, I guess not. Bush didn't seem to be saying no to spending the money, DID HE?
5) Americans are building a portfolio.. One of Poverty and Despair. See above for how the dollar HAS HIT a 26 year record low... NOT UNDER DEMOCRATS, but Republicans. That means inflation once again is at an ALL TIME HIGH.
6) Iraq NEVER OPENLY ADMITTED TO ANYTHING TO DO WITH TERRORISM... Proof please.
7)Guantanamo Bay is anything but club med. Its a black eye to America and it's world policies. We are setting a precedent that locking people up, giving them sham trials, allowing torture, and laughing about it is all right. What do you lose from giving people a FAIR TRIAL? Nothing. Anyway, this sets a dangerous precedent for our own people. Don't expect our soldiers to get proper treatment from any countries where they get captured these days. What's good for the U.S, is good for the rest on violating Geneva Convention, right?
8) Georgia's Break aways HAVE NOT BEEN IN Georgia's control since the Soviet Union Fell. That doesn't make them part of Georgia. It's just has been no one has recognized their sovereignty. Yet, under a 1992 agreement, Russia has been allowed forces in these parts. Georgia should have left well enough alone. They didn't, and got their ass handed to them. Tough luck. Bush invaded SOVEREIGN nations. Last I checked, Iraq and Afghanistan weren't even PROTECTORATES at the time the U.S. invaded.
Last, this goes to show how IGNORANT you really are. First you use TK Junk mail as your source. Where is ANY LINK TO SUBSTANTIATE a thing you claimed or he claimed... Funny. I'd like a time frame on all those statements and proof to go along with it......
Yet, here's the best one. It was called the IRAN CONTRA CRISIS YOU HISTORICAL DIM WIT! Can we say Oliver North!! | |
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| But... But Obama is the Messiah. Never in American history have we had a Presidential candidate like him. We should trust in Obama for he is not a typical politician. He will bring hope and change. [/sarcasm]
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| Re: But... I just wish people would realize that congress has the power to change things, not the president. When the president says "Lets do this" congress has to decide to do it or not. They can tell the president to forget it and all the president can do is whine about it.
People need to get a clue. The country is screwed up because congress is screwed up. They're responsible for Iraq, they're responsible for the token force in Afganistan, they're responsible for our dependence on foreign oil, they're responsible for our infrastructure falling apart, they're responsible for the national debt.
Get a pattern here folks? There is a man or woman within driving distance of your home that is responsible for all the bullshit we are having to put up with. Quit blaming Bush and Clinton, and go bang on your congressman's door and demand change.
Obama can win a landslide election, and the republicans could end up with a solid majority in congress and the house. Guess who still has the power.
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| Re: But... Very true. All the attention is paid to the presidential race, but our congressional races are actually the most important because those people represent us directly, and if we don't choose people whose viewpoints align with our own, then we have no one else to blame but ourselves when Congress votes against things we consider important.
Political responsibility doesn't end with the vote. We need to contact our representatives and senators directly to let them know our opinions, 'cause they're probably not reading the forums where we spout our ire.
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| said by NOCMan :I just wish people would realize that congress has the power to change things, not the president. When the president says "Lets do this" congress has to decide to do it or not. They can tell the president to forget it and all the president can do is whine about it. People need to get a clue. The country is screwed up because congress is screwed up. I agree that there is too much focus on the Executive. And on Telecom issues, it absolutely is the Congress.
I started hoping that McCain would run, perhaps with Rudy as a running mate. Then Ron Paul caught my eyes and ears. Meanwhile, McCain and Rudy both went on the warpath, literally. What I heard from Obama was a consistent message of unity and hope -- more soothing than substantive -- but intangibles that we needed.
Personally, I've have an absolute litmus test over the past several years and that test is torture. It's the main reason I held my nose and voted for the "non-Bush" candidate 4 years ago. When McCain dove for the "middle" on torture back in February by voting against a bill that would ban torture techniques, it told me that I would be voting for the "non-Bush" again. As far as McCain goes, my vote will be one to prevent him from gaining office.
But Congress is a tough one for me. My choice last year was between two non-leaders, the incumbent David Wu who always mirrors the party line in his voting record, and Derrick Kitts, who my partner knew personally as a nice but spineless guy when it came to opposing Republican leadership. Joel Haugen is the GOP -and- Independent opponent this year -- (he supports Obama, environmentalism, and Oregon's Republican Party had taken an official position not to allow him to participate in party events). I'm undecided in this race. On Telecom, David Wu supports Network Neutrality. He also supports maximum limits in media outlet corporate ownership (avoids any one voice from cornering the market by buying out other voices).
The Senate for me is Gordon Smith (R), who I personally like and appreciate and who seems willing to do what he thinks is right despite his leadership's position. Jeff Merkley is the Democrat opponent and so far has only showed me that he can sling mud and now both campaigns are spending too much time attacking one another. Gordon is the real deal -- bipartisan, thoughtful, and etc., he's proven that. On Telecom, Smith volunteered to sponsor a bill to make the FCC's Network Neutrality policy principles a law (Chairman Martin turned him down).
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| said by NOCMan :I just wish people would realize that congress has the power to change things, not the president. When the president says "Lets do this" congress has to decide to do it or not. They can tell the president to forget it and all the president can do is whine about it. That's why the Obama-rama show is back-peddling and position changing on every issue. The Obama running for President is NOT Obama the JUNIOR Senator from Illinois (all 143 days of it). Look at his voting record re his positions as presidential candidate ! He's not even in the neighborhood !
He'll promise whatever s**t gets him elected, immediately switch back to Obama the JUNIOR Senator and tell everyone it's that mean 'ol Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reed show pushing all this stuff through. Not HIM !
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| | jc100
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| Listen a politician is a politician. Both our choices SUCK. McCain is a TERRIBLE CHOICE and Obama is a HORRIBLE choice. Literally, we're stuck voting for the worst of the two evils. McCain supports torture (funny even though he knows what it's like and talks about the horrors he suffered), Fisa, Staying in Iraq, NSA wiretapping, etc etc.
Obama is no different. He voted for Fisa and his VP sucks for technology. The only thing Obama has that McCain doesn't is a No vote on Iraq and Torture. That's seriously it.
That's the ONLY reason he has my vote. I hate the piece of shit otherwise, yet realistic to know that no 3rd party will win things. | |
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What is the point of having a good tech VP / P when all the jobs are gone and no one has health care? | |
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| Re: I had considered voting Democrat said by kfsutops :i had considered voting Democrat for the first time in my voting history. Now I am not so sure. But I don't like McCain any more either. I used to back in the day, but his senate dealings with the cable co's a few years ago confirmed that he is a blow hard do nothing person as well. I am voting for Paris Hilton now. I hear she is running. »www.bobbarr2008.com/home/skip/?s=0618
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| Re: I Wish said by n2jtx :I wish the voting booths had a lever for "None Of The Above". That would be my number one choice almost every time, especially in this election. All ballots have a "write-in" spot. Just write in "None of the Above" and choose that option.
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| | Emiya
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Southington, OH | Do we really even need a president. How about a "Do Not Want" box and an option to downsize congress to about 1/3 the size? | |
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join:2002-04-10
| Re: I Wish Well being you are from Ohio, I'd say you know the feeling more so than everyone else here. It's the reason I just left the state a few months back. No Jobs and an economy so pitiful, it isn't funny. Hell, the Midwest in general and MUCH of the U.S isn't fairing better. It seems the only good MOST politicians do is suck the income out of people so they can't even afford to live. Right or Left. Right borrows and borrows and causes MASSIVE inflation. Left taxes and pays as it spends. Yet, it spends just as much as the right. Sadly we need a government that recognizes each dollar earmarked COMES FROM somewhere. There are too many pet projects and pork barrel for a life time. Yet, we seem to accept that and do nothing to hold our elected officials accountable. This isn't even taking into account FISA / NSA or any other debate. All I can say is Ted Stevens 200 million bridge to no where. | |
| flyingjoey
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1 edit | At this point what choice do we have? At this point, if I were to find out that a rock, a traffic cone, a cardboard box, someone that's dead or even Howard Stern were running... I'd vote for it.
Talk about standing between a rock and a hard place.
I think I can move to Canada for the next 4-8 years... so what if I come back talking funny, but GGGGGGGGwizzz what other option do I have? | |
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mrchris
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North Babylon, NY | Re: At this point what choice do we have? Third party? | |
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newview
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Parsonsburg, MD | I'm now considering not voting I'm 55 years old and have voted in EVERY presidential election since I was old enough to vote.
I'm now considering not voting at all due to only having a "lesser of two evils" choice. | |
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| Re: I'm now considering not voting Don't "not vote". Remember, 6 of 10 people did NOT vote for Clinton. The liberals survive on this sort of apathy. Get active and vote. 3 rd party? Go for it. Make your voices heard. Not voting as a protest is nothing more than a vote for more of the same.
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dadkins
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| Yeah, right! "urged the Justice Department to use taxpayers’ money to monitor and prosecute illegal filesharing."
There's a good idea! 
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yolarry
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Creston, WV | Re: Yeah, right! Yeah and watch when you pick up a can of soda and the tax's will be 3 dollars more. | |
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dadkins
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Hercules, CA | Re: Yeah, right! No shit!
I hear all kinds of whining about using taxpayer money for _____ as a bad thing, where are those people now?
Selective whining?
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Re: Yeah, right! We're still here, and it's still a bad idea to tax citizens for ignorant things. Copyright policing is one of them IMO. | |
| | | | | jc100
join:2002-04-10
| Re: Osama's Downfall Sort of Like McCain the Mad Man Hussein who said Americans wouldn't mind us being in Iraq for the next 10,000 years. His words exactly. I guess him and Saddam would have been great buddies, seeing how they liked their power trips and killing people. Never a tear shed when it isn't your kid dying, right? | |
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Bon Aqua, TN | beware Beware of false prophets in sheeps clothing | |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK | These Candidates leave little to be excited about. Is it just me, but does these two campaigns sound a lot like:
McCain: Status-Quo
Obama: Change everything (Uh though I have no idea what, I'll try and work that out later) | |
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| Re: These Candidates leave little to be excited about. said by KrK :Is it just me, but does these two campaigns sound a lot like: McCain: Status-Quo Obama: Change everything (Uh though I have no idea what, I'll try and work that out later) Of course they do. They're both politicians after all... | |
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| Put this into perspective. The neo-cons are bruising for a major confrontation with iran. McCain blusters about iran and georgia. One of his top foreign policy advisors, Randy Scheunemann, has a lobbying history with the government of georgia.
There is little reason to believe that four years of mccain wouldn't be 4 more years of bush foreign policy, or worse.
And people are really going to cast a vote based on a vice presidential nominees tech policy?
Do you think republicans are going to break ranks in the fall? A vote for none of the above, or a write in, is probably only going to strengthen the republicans. Remember divide and conquer? The republicans reading this are laughing their asses off.
You vote on the most dire pressing issues facing a society and, although tech policy is important, tech policy doesn't rank with the foreign policy mess or the republicans vision of perpetual war and the national security state. | |
| hescominsoon
join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD | Barak's no friend of consumers what he says now is totally opposite of the huge tax and spend gov't pres he's going to be. | |
| cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| well that seals the deal for me that I have no intention of voting for the democrat this time around. I have a bad feeling that there could be much darker days ahead for fair use, copyright laws, and anything that isn't sanctioned by the new MAFIA (riaa, mpaa, and the like) if obama/biden gets elected. That CNET article just scares me to what could happen and gives few chuckles.
I hope Mccain has a chooses wisely. I also hope the Mccain campaign attacks biden relentlously so that all know where biden stands on the issues stated in the CNET article. Then again, if Mccain picks the someone in particular, that will also seal the deal that I won't vote for mccain. | |
| | jc100
join:2002-04-10
| Re: well that seals the deal for me Um... Do you NOT recall McCain ALSO supported FISA/ NSA wiretapping and granting Immunity to the Telecoms? Ya. I don't think McCain chooses any more wisely. This coming from the man who TOLD AMERICANS that Immunity was a travesty to our civil rights. THEN, he staffs himself with telecom executives and has a change of heart. So convenient. | |
| EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Biden Biden's almost certainly been chosen for his foreign policy experience, and to improve the perception of Obama as inexperienced- no one can really argue Biden's not experienced. But I doubt Biden will have the influence in an Obama administration that say, Dick Cheney (to give an example) had. | |
| voipdabbler
join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT
| I find it ironic. I find his stance somewhat ironic, given the public dust-up over plagiarism charges when he ran in the democratic presidential primaries in 1987. He ended up admitting that he had plargiarised a law review article for one of his papers while in law school.(How he thought he'd get away with it in the first place, is beyond me. However, the incident has dogged him ever since.) For those of you who may not believe this--here's a link to a NY Times article from September, 1987. NY Times article | |
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