 
Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
Premium
join:2002-09-23
2 edits | Oh yeah? Well Cablevision charges a mere $300.00 set-up fee for residential 101/15Mbps service. What's Utopia's set-up for fee for their 100/100Mbps service?
--
Edit: "Utopia charges a $65 set-up fee." Oh.
--
--
Who is Jesus? and Why it matters (to YOU).
| |
|
 | Natoma
join:1999-08-30
Brooklyn, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Oh yeah? Verizon's setup is free. No fee. 
That said, 100/100 kills my 50/20 FIOS for $90/mo. Time for Verizon to get with the program and upgrade!
I've had this dinky 50/20 connection for only a year. More speed now!  | |
|
jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH | Sign... Where do I sign? 
--
- "Techie" Jim | |
|
|
JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| FuzzCore website
Nice |
--
»www.seabee.navy.mil | |
|
glinc
join:2009-04-07
New York, NY | dang is it available in nyc? | |
|
| 
Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
| Re: dang said by glinc  :is it available in nyc? UTOPIA = Utah Telecommunications Open Infrastructure Agency | |
|
| | 
baineschile
2600
Premium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | Re: dang I thought Utah was just across the street from Williamsburg in Brooklyn? Am I wrong??? | |
|
| |
| | glinc
join:2009-04-07
New York, NY | Re: dang hahaha, this is where all the business is man!! that's why we should get all the speed we can lol | |
|
| | | 
hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Re: dang LOL im sure BRONX and Queens is all business too right? NEXT. | |
|
| | | | Anaerobic
join:2008-09-02
Bronx, NY
1 edit | Re: dang Although it's funny that you say that because it is the BRONX (and the rest of CV's footprint) that is getting OOL's 101MB service.
Why do people in NYC think they should have the fastest internet? Why not, doesn't everybody want fast internet? Being the most populated city in the U.S. helps as well.
edit:didn't see cdru's post below me. | |
|
| | | | | |
| | | | | |
Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| Re: dang said by hayabusa3303 :would be funny as hell 100/100 connection with a 250g cap. I don't think so. Just because you can download something faster doesn't mean you'd suddenly start downloading more. | |
|
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| Re: dang said by hayabusa3303 :said by Matt :said by hayabusa3303 :would be funny as hell 100/100 connection with a 250g cap. I don't think so. Just because you can download something faster doesn't mean you'd suddenly start downloading more. look at the 360 and netflix(example) and other services that are coming online so YES you will use more when services like that come to the masses. internet is not for geeks anymore. You never know what is next in the pipeline coming out. You already have 1080p downloading what about when 3D launches? Xbox has already talked about that so that eats up MORE bandwidth. So yes content gets better and BIGGER you download MORE. I use all that right now. Just because I upgrade to 100Mbps symmetrical doesn't mean I'll suddenly start watching more movies or gaming more. I'll just be able to do it more easily. | |
|
| | | | | | | | |
hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Re: dang maybe not for you, but other people would. | |
|
| | | | | | | | |
Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| Re: dang said by hayabusa3303 :maybe not for you, but other people would. I simply don't think that's true and I've never seen any evidence, either directly or indirectly, that proves otherwise. | |
|
| | | | | | | | | |
| | 
cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| said by hayabusa3303 :why is it that when people are from nyc they think they should get fastest internet than anyone else? what makes nyc special? NYC by far has the highest population density of any US city. If an ISP is looking for the most bang for the buck, deploying there is going to access the most number of subscribers with the least amount of physical plant costs. One of the biggest expenses of deploying new technology such as fiber is the labor and material costs to get the fiber to the home. If you can hit more homes in a smaller area, it means lower deployment costs.
Plus, ~20m live in the NYC and surrounding communities. That's 1/15 of the coutry's population. Odds are very favorable that more then one or two people posting here are in the metro area and would want to have those speeds. It's no different then people in smaller cities wondering when they will be getting such access, just that there are more people in NYC so their inquiries would naturally be more numerous. | |
|
| | | |
battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | What's their definition of "unshared"? Unshared? BS. It's going to be shared at some point. | |
|
| 
Sofa King
Premium
join:2009-03-01
Littleton, MA | Re: What's their definition of "unshared"? Shared vs unshared is marketing FUD that most people just don't get. Some talk about how their ISP offers "dedicated" without really having a clue that ALL Internet connectivity is shared at some point fairly close to their home. | |
|
| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: What's their definition of "unshared"? said by Sofa King :Shared vs unshared is marketing FUD that most people just don't get. Some talk about how their ISP offers "dedicated" without really having a clue that ALL Internet connectivity is shared at some point fairly close to their home. It matters where its shared. Upgrading a peering link is many times cheaper than upgrading the last mile, and therefore its much more likely to be done. Also backbone links in general are installed to be almost the fastest available. Nobody would install a 100mbit peering link today, everyone uses 10 gigabit, but they charge on 95th percentile, which means you subscribe to a 100 or 1000 mbit speed tier, but you can definitely burst to 10gbit.
If you upgrade a core router, your not going to fill it with 100 mbit line cards for connections to your Tier 1s. Your going to fill it with 10gbit cards. | |
|
| | |
Sofa King
Premium
join:2009-03-01
Littleton, MA
| Re: What's their definition of "unshared"? said by patcat88 :It matters where its shared. Upgrading a peering link is many times cheaper than upgrading the last mile, and therefore its much more likely to be done. Also backbone links in general are installed to be almost the fastest available. Nobody would install a 100mbit peering link today, everyone uses 10 gigabit, but they charge on 95th percentile, which means you subscribe to a 100 or 1000 mbit speed tier, but you can definitely burst to 10gbit. If you upgrade a core router, your not going to fill it with 100 mbit line cards for connections to your Tier 1s. Your going to fill it with 10gbit cards. What you stated above is common belief, but not really accurate. The upgrade cost of "the last mile" is similar whether it is HFC, DSLAM or ONT. The concentrators have to be upgraded and node-splits are not that expensive. The costs of metro and backbone are just as expensive as it is not just the "peering interface"
The network oversubscription is incremental from the last mile, to the metro, to the core, to the peering edge, etc, etc. Each have a cost and FTTH or "dedicated" is basically marketing FUD.
The network is really shared from your PC (or even eariler). The difference with DSL or FTTH and HFC is not if it is dedicated, it is how long your "dedicated" cable is.
The Internet is shared, pure and simple. Anyone that believes in "dedicated" has no idea how the Internet works. | |
|
nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| price too high why are all the 100/100M services in the U.S. well northward of $100/mo when the rest of the broadband leaders in the world are charging less than that for triple play packages?
The pricing of these tiers seems to be arbitrarily high and makes me wonder if they don't throw these plans out there just to brag about it, because they can't expect many takers at $130 or $150 a month. | |
|
| |
| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
1 edit | said by nasadude :why are all the 100/100M services in the U.S. well northward of $100/mo when the rest of the broadband leaders in the world are charging less than that for triple play packages? The pricing of these tiers seems to be arbitrarily high and makes me wonder if they don't throw these plans out there just to brag about it, because they can't expect many takers at $130 or $150 a month. Try buying an unmetered 100mbit link from a Tier 1 or 2. Cogent, which is the 99 cent store of Tier 1s, will charge you $4000 per month for a 1gigabit link, thats $400 per month for 100Mbitps unmetered.
And you somehow expect to get 100mbit unlimited in a residential or consumer setting for less the 1/4 the wholesale cost?
Any residential customer who buys a 100mbit unlimited line, surely knows how to extract every cent of their purchase (multiple RAID 5 systems doing P2P). There isn't much contention you can rely on. $100-$200 per month is fine for a residential 100/100 link.
The usually the fastest backbone links you can buy are 10 gigabits anyway. If you go with an old school ILEC backbone, they will give you a 40 gigabit if you have the $.
And before you start talking about Japan, the bandwidth off the island is limited to 20mbitps. The 1 gigabit speeds you hear of are only to customers of that ISP, or only to other computers in Japan. So its basically your on a LAN with everyone else on your ISP/your ASN, it doesn't mean you get to the internet at 1 gigabit. | |
|
| | 
dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: price too high said by patcat88 :said by nasadude :why are all the 100/100M services in the U.S. well northward of $100/mo when the rest of the broadband leaders in the world are charging less than that for triple play packages? The pricing of these tiers seems to be arbitrarily high and makes me wonder if they don't throw these plans out there just to brag about it, because they can't expect many takers at $130 or $150 a month. And before you start talking about Japan, the bandwidth off the island is limited to 20mbitps. The 1 gigabit speeds you hear of are only to customers of that ISP, or only to other computers in Japan. So its basically your on a LAN with everyone else on your ISP/your ASN, it doesn't mean you get to the internet at 1 gigabit. Sounds like bredbandsbolaget. I rarely get more than 40KB/s from a bbb.se server
--
When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
|
|
|
| |
| | 
jadebangle
Premium
join:2007-05-22
Olathe, KS
·SureWest Internet
·AT&T Yahoo
·Comcast
| Re: lafayette 50mbps is only 57.95 there is no 100mbps said by iansltx :If it's too much, don't buy t. Not that you can anyway; you aren't in UT. Looks like FiOS via DSLExtreme has better prices than this network, but you can't get anything above 20 Mbps up. *shrugs* Speaking of DSLX, I wonder why they haven't launched ISP service on UTOPIA. Would make for a nice service... jade...if it is affordable then it would make sense as a tier but its more of a.. we can provide 100mbps but only to those who can afford it... | |
|
| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by jadebangle :does utopia have a cap? they shouldn't have any cause most other isp do not such as charter 60mb/5mb,comcast 50/10mbps As far as I know, all of Utopia's ISPs have GB caps, not sure if they are enforced. The last one without them was AT&T which stopped being a Utopia ISP some years ago. | |
|
Pinbeak
@masonpud3.org
| First? Not Really Some Washington State Public Utility Districts have been wholesaling 100mbps connections through local retailers for at least eight years. Welcome to the speed club folks. Here's a link to one in Shelton, WA: »www.adjicent.com/internet.html. Check out the prices! | |
|
| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: First? Not Really What are the caps? hear they're pretty low up there, and judging by the web hosting plans I'd think the ISP you picked out would have some ridiculous ones. | |
|
| |
Pinbeak
@masonpud3.org
| Re: First? Not Really I did a quick search to see which PUDs are providing wholesale fiber in Washington State; that's how I came up with a random ISP.
From what I understand, the cap (or lack thereof) depends on the service provider. Some manage their networks to save money, and others open the sluice gates. The locals advise customers to ask that very question. I would assume if you didn't get the answer you wanted, you could move along to the next one. Regardless, from what I've heard the limit is not on the wholesale end...in those cases it is on the ISP end. However, the prices are pretty good for fiber service. | |
|
| | | |
| | | |
WA Resident
@genext.net
| Re: First? Not Really Actually, the PUDs are the ones who set up the whole network up to the premises/homes and the ISP's responsibility is to install the connection from outside the building to the inside. There's really not that much expense for the ISPs since they don't actually have to build any fiber networks.
Aside from fiber, some PUDs also have a system of wireless internet throughout their county which is also available to resellers that want to provide wireless internet to homes and businesses. | |
|
longstreet
join:2004-11-14
Plano, TX
| Well, mostly true Nothing wrong with this IMO.
The problem is that Comcast and Qwest have been legally *&^)blocking UTOPIA. They just don't have that much coverage in Utah. It's a few, select cities and that's it.
You should see how much money Comcrap and Qworst have thrown into keeping UTOPIA subdued. | |
|
|
See 10 replies to this post |
|
dmspy
@qwest.net | I have the 50/50 Utopia plan for 60/month Ya, it's fast... | |
|
|
|
|
Utopia Hits 100Mbps
Looking better and better
·
Re: price too high
·