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| Is there any doubt that.... The more idiotic, out-of-touch, self-serving politicians get involved with the issue, the worse the outcome will be. It is unlikely that any good will come of any of this.
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... said by major marco  :Self-serving perhaps, but Durbin is neither idiotic nor out of touch. That would be Ted Tubes Stevens you're thinking of. Oh really? Durbin is the same senator that in 2005, compared the US military prison at Guantanamo Bay to a nazi death camp. I guess you're right, he's not idiotic or out of touch. He's a an idiot, he's out of touch and he's a traitor. Thanks for the correction.
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... said by WileEC :This is the same senator that in 2005, compared the prison at Guantanamo Bay to a nazi death camp. I guess you're right, he's not idiotic or out of touch. He's a an idiot, he's out of touch and he's a traitor. Thanks for the correction. Uh yeah...you obviously have no clue as to what you're even talking about. Move along now...I think the next Crush Lardbaugh/Hand Jobbity show is about to start and you'll need your talking points for the next discussion. 
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... said by major marco :Uh yeah...you obviously have no clue as to what you're even talking about. Move along now...I think the next Crush Lardbaugh/Hand Jobbity show is about to start and you'll need your talking points for the next discussion. Oh really?
Well that's funny because this article says that I'm correct: »www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···654.html
I guess that the Washington Post must be wrong and that none of that happened. Yes major marco, you are so obviously correct. Just like most other liberals. /sarcasm off
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... said by WileEC :said by major marco :Uh yeah...you obviously have no clue as to what you're even talking about. Move along now...I think the next Crush Lardbaugh/Hand Jobbity show is about to start and you'll need your talking points for the next discussion. Oh really? Well that's funny because this article says that I'm correct: » www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···654.htmlI guess that the Washington Times must be wrong and that none of that happened. Yes major marco, you are so obviously correct. Just like most other liberals. /sarcasm off major marco /pwned 
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| I had to do a bit of fact checking because you cited the Washington Compost... but it looks like you're good!
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| hahahahahahahaha
you're pointing to a major newspaper as a source of accurate information - boy, talk about being out of it - the MSM ceased to be a reliable source of information some time ago.
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| said by major marco :Uh yeah...you obviously have no clue as to what you're even talking about. Uhh? 
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7FaSEQ-fKc
Interestingly enough, an Algeria terrorist who is currently a guest at Club Gitmo is fighting extradition to Algeria because he fears being tortured.
»www.signonsandiego.com/news/worl···ria.html
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There's some info on deaths and attempted suicides at GTMO.
Here's a story about one who spent some time there:
»observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/···,00.html
Feel free to make bleatings about "freedom and justice".
As far as Sen. Durbin being a traitor, I suspect you wouldn't know a traitor if one crawled up and bit you in the gluteal protruberance.
And apparently, you didn't bother to read the article, instead choosing to smear and regurgitate frothing right-wing nostrums. How utterly sad. How intellectually bankrupt. | |
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... said by TScheisskopf :How intellectually bankrupt. Intellectually bankrupt?
Would that also be what it's called when you insinuate that the only reason individuals belonging to an organization that employs suicide bombings would commit mass suicide would be desperation in abhorrent conditions and not because, as a pr stunt, it furthers their insane ideology, particularly considering that they've been neutralized as operatives and it's about the only thing left they can do to get a rise out of people.
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... Name one, just one, held there that has been convicted of what you accuse, in either a court of law or military tribunal.
I don't know about you, but I kinda like that bit in The Bill of Rights of The United States of America that says "innocent until proven guilty". It tends to keep things on an even keel. | |
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... My kind? You mean the kind that want to see everyone enjoy the protections and freedoms we enjoy? You mean that kind?
I think I will forego the myriad insults that are running around my brain right now. You are far too much simpleton to even grasp them. | |
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| said by TScheisskopf :I don't know about you, but I kinda like that bit in The Bill of Rights of The United States of America that says "innocent until proven guilty". As was stated not so nicely the bill of rights only applies to citizens.
The problem is what do you do with a group of people who do not value their own lives beyond their ability to bring as much death and destruction as possible to modern society and are willing to do whatever (including bending the rules of the religion they claim to follow) to do so? We've never faced this before, mainly because in previous wars no one worried much about making sure civilians weren't inconvenienced.
But certainly whatever they face in GB is no where near what was dealt in any Nazi death camp (and to imply so shows a great deal of disrespect to those who lived thru them); Mr. Durban knows this, his statements on the issue are nothing more than spin; much like his little forum is spin to make the internet petition crowd feel better about him.
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... Hmmm Isn't one of the right's (new) justifications for the war to bring US-style democracy, including bill of rights, to other countries?
And yet, the right chooses to selectively decide who gets to benefit from those rights?
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... said by King Duck :Hmmm Isn't one of the right's (new) justifications for the war to bring US-style democracy, including bill of rights, to other countries? And yet, the right chooses to selectively decide who gets to benefit from those rights? A tad inconsistent perhaps? 1. I never said the war was to bring a democracy to anyone.
2. It's hard to allow someone to exercise their rights while simultaneously protecting the rights of others when that someone values nothing in life but death and destruction.
3. Your rights cease to matter when you lack the ability to defend them. (don't read that as directed at the prisoners in GB.)
You want to see rights disappear? Wait till radical Islam starts focusing on terror against children. What do you think a successful coordinated effort to simultaneously take over multiple schools, possibly massacring thousands of children would do to the GB prisoners rights? Kinda like worrying about the faded upholstery in your car as your barrelling head on into a semi.
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| said by TScheisskopf :There's some info on deaths and attempted suicides at GTMO. That's a good start. It is too bad the rest of the detainees don't follow suit. It would save us money. The only problem is that the average Club Gitmo detainee has not only the best medical care in the world, but is also packing on the pounds.
said by TScheisskopf :I suspect you wouldn't know a traitor if one crawled up and bit you in the gluteal protruberance. One of the definitions of traitor as codified in the Constitution is a person who provides aid and comfort to the enemy. The video I posted clearly shows Sen. Turbin spreading lies about Club Gitmo during a time of war. The Constitution requires at least 2 witnesses to the crime for the charge to stick. I am sure more than 2 people watched that broadcast.
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... Yawn... 60 Minutes has a penchant for simply making up news, even going so far as to draft fake "evidence" to back up the allegation. Aside that they are also on the side of our enemy and want us to lose the war, I really would not take any of their propaganda as fact.
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... said by TScheisskopf :Here. Pick any one on the list, or all of them. Surely one of them, or the shear number of them from respected sources might filter in somehow. Please. Playing loud rap music and turning the AC on and off doesn't constitute torture. High school sports teams' hazing rituals are worse than this.
Go take a look at how some prisons in foreign countries are run and then get back to me. You can start by looking at how the Cuban government treats librarians who are not fond of Fidel Castro. Club Gitmo guests have five star accommodations compared to them.
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... But we aren't "foreign countries". We are the USA and we are supposed to be better than that. When we aren't, it puts the lie to everything we say we stand for and we say we are trying to propagate.
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... said by TScheisskopf :And THAT was what Sen. Durbin was getting at. Then why was he lying? Club Gitmo can't be that bad if the guests there get free healthcare, free religious guidance, 3 square meals, and live in an area that has nice weather all year round. It also can't be that bad if the guests are putting on weight and fighting attempts to deport them back to their home countries. These do not strike me as things that the Nazis, the Soviets or Pol Pot would do to their prisoners.
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... It's very obvious you don't believe the crap you post, your just playing a side...which is fine, be a blood to the crips. But some people don't need to side with gang's to truly have a just and compassionate outlook on the state of our, uhh, divorce proceedings?
I don't see a Union at all these days...Club Gitmo, lol. This kind of talk lends itself to either A- people that haven't been in any kind of detention facility or, mostly likely, B- people who THINK they know what its like in a detention facility...primary factor missing is the actual experience. And no PNH, TV can't provide you with the experience...lol. | |
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| Re: Is there any doubt that.... said by FiL :It's very obvious you don't believe the crap you post, your just playing a side... If I am just "playing a side" then why not refute what I am saying? Surely it should be easy if I am just "playing a side."
said by FiL :I don't see a Union at all these days...Club Gitmo, lol. This kind of talk lends itself to either A- people that haven't been in any kind of detention facility or, mostly likely, B- people who THINK they know what its like in a detention facility... When we have terrorists that are fighting their deportation from Club Gitmo, for fear they might be tortured in their home countries (link in my other posts), it really takes the hot air out of the argument that we're torturing these terrorists.
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| Nice, but likely too little too late Even if there is any real conviction behind this unless a change is made in FCC policy before the next auction is concluded it's likely to be all academic.
To take a quote from Harold Feld in the PCWorld article:
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| He sold us out Durbin is a jerk like all the rest of them. None of them are willing to stick their necks out and pass a budget for our conniving thief of a governor, they sold us out to Communist Edison amongst other things....Oh yeah I trust him......like hell I do! | |
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| Someone is trying... While Durbin has made his share of mistakes, mostly with his mouth, he does have a knack for getting into technology issues.
At least I give him credit for working to understand what the issues and concerns are as opposed to most of the robots up on the hill who rely strictly on aides, flunkies, and god help us, lobbyists' to collect public opinion.
Anyone with some recent history should view the time when the technology "leaders" were brought up on the hill to Senate Judiciary Committee. Gates, Dell, McNealy etc. were quizzed on the state of the technology market. Only Dick Durbin had any questions of intelligence to ask. Contrast him to now departed Strom Thurmond who read (barely) a brief typed by his aide. Poor Strom didn't even know what an Internet was.
The day will come when every member of congress will be up to speed on technology issues. But historically they have always been several years behind. Radio broadcasting was common by the early 1920's, yet the Communications Act didn't get passed until 1934. | |
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| Durbin to be on Red State Durbin will also be on Red State talking about the same telco, cableco issues later.
And those of you not here to talk about broadband etc and trying to bring in your War crap...blow it out your asses on another site. We're not her to listen to mental midgets from either side. Try either a left hate site like MyDD or Kos, or Indymedia, or some NRO conservative hate sites. They will both keep you busy stacking BB's and drooling you custard over there. | |
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| Time of War Would that be before or after we WRONGLY accused Iraq of it's involvement in 9/11, possession of WMDS, and links to terrorism. Please remind me which of these claims materialized? Best yet, when all those excuses failed, His Furor Bush then tried to play the humanitarian and Democracy card. Quite hysterical considering 200,000 + iraqis have died as a result of the violence due to our attack. Not to mention, it's hard to be the role model for Democracy when you are stripping civil liberties from Brainless and STUPID Americans.. (Yes, most of the people living here are complete MORONS).
After all, if Terrorism is such a threat to our over all being, how come maybe 5000 or so people have only died from it in this country in the last 20 years. You know something, in that same time span, 400-500,000 Americans have been murdered. Yes, murdered by fellow Americans at a rate of 20-22,000 a year. You have a HELL of a lot better chance of being the victim of crime than a terrorist attack. Yet, let the fear mongers in the Republican party toss the word terrorism around like a ping pong and they're golden. Americans are a very stupid bunch of people as a whole, who have sat back and failed to ask questions. Any time you lose a right, consider it gone for good. Bush has had the Patriot Act which has signed away our rights. The NSA wiretapping of Americans. GITMO which has shamed this country on an international Human Rights Level. Worst of all, the terrorists have won. We have lost freedoms as a result of their attack. Congrats Bush. You have officially waived our flag of defeat. As a result, don't sell us this crap that terrorists are out to get us. Call your intrusions into our lives what they really are and stop sugar coating your B.S. The only one out to get us is an overzealous government wanting to take away our rights and find more reasons to snoop. As Ben Franklin said, those who trade liberties for security deserve neither. Its high tide something is done and not about the terrorists....Once again, you can't serve as a role model if you are tearing down the same virtues you are trying to instill in others. | |
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