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story category Unwired States Ask Qwest To Reconsider Stimulus Snub
But why not let rural-focused ISPs step in?
09:04AM Thursday Aug 20 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: coverage · business · Op/Ed
As we noted last week, a number of the largest ISPs, including Qwest, are staying away from the first round of stimulus funding because, even with a taxpayer cash infusion, they really have little interest in serving and maintaining rural broadband customers. Montana Public Service Commission leaders are begging Qwest to reconsider, because Montana really needs all the help they can get. It continues to be ironic how short of a memory span the press, public and regulators have concerning Qwest's long history of skimping on their network while spending millions to derail more robust fiber to the home alternatives. Why would Montana want service from a company that's not only uninterested in serving it, but has spent millions preventing unwired cities and towns from wiring themselves? Surely some other ISP or WISP is perfectly willing to serve Montana's needs?

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wifi4milez
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why not let rural-focused ISPs step in?

I would suspect the reason is that some of the areas in question are so remote, that it would cost a lot to initially to be able to service them via traditional (copper) means. The states (rightly) assume Qwest has enough money to do this, and so it makes sense to ask them first. However, smaller ISP's should be all over this as long as the amount of money being given to them allows for a decent return; even if it will take period of time to see a return.

This should be a billboard to all the whiners out there; GO TO RURAL STATES AND BUILD YOUR OWN ISP. Now is the time to do it, with government money and VC funding (which is secured by a government loan) it can be done. Wireless, fiber, etc. etc., stop the whining about unfair rules and get it done.
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Re: why not let rural-focused ISPs step in?

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

This should be a billboard to all the whiners out there; GO TO RURAL STATES AND BUILD YOUR OWN ISP. Now is the time to do it, with government money and VC funding (which is secured by a government loan) it can be done. Wireless, fiber, etc. etc., stop the whining about unfair rules and get it done.
The local communities in Montana and elsewhere had the right to apply DIRECTLY for these grants from the stimulus funds. They neglected to do so, instead they decided to whine about it instead of taking care of it themselves. What happened to American enterprise? What we get today is a bunch of people and groups that want big daddy government to take care of them.

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Re: why not let rural-focused ISPs step in?

big daddy government is taking care of them if they take the stimulus money. they want big daddy corporation to take care of them, is what you meant to say.
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I see you've avoided responding to the immense criticism your irrational and illogical comment about Canada and the CRTC encountered in the other article's comments section. Should we take this comment seriously?
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wimax

This is the perfect scenario for Clear or some start-up wimax provider to step in and serve these areas. Isn't that what most businesses want? A captive audience with little to no competition? Alas, it seems most short-sighted companies are only concerned with how quickly they can achieve a substantial return on their investment. That's too bad. The population density or lack thereof, may cause the ROI to take a bit longer. However, if someone builds it, the ROI will eventually come.

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Re: wimax

said by DarnellP See Profile :

This is the perfect scenario for Clear or some start-up wimax provider to step in and serve these areas. Isn't that what most businesses want? A captive audience with little to no competition? Alas, it seems most short-sighted companies are only concerned with how quickly they can achieve a substantial return on their investment. That's too bad. The population density or lack thereof, may cause the ROI to take a bit longer. However, if someone builds it, the ROI will eventually come.
This is the perfect opportunity for ANY company to come in and do this. Even some muni debacle could apply for these funds. Of course nobody will (lazy), and then people on this site will continue to cry about the lack of competition and how we are being oppressed by "the man".
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Bring Back the BELL SYSTEM!!!

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Broadband "REA"

Maybe His Holiness, The Lord God Obama, who caused the miracle of the dead to raise up and vote for him, can do a Rural broadband thing like the Rural Electrification Co-ops. This is how electricity came to the country side. Back in the first 3rd of the 20th Century the Electric companies where cherry picking with electrical service just like ISP's are cherry picking Broadband service today. This sort of thing would be a great investment in the infrastructure of the US and would pay dividends in the future. It would be a whole lot better then the destruction of the US economy going on presently.
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Re: Broadband "REA"

As a matter of fact, there are plenty of telephone cooperatives taking a forward-looking stance on network upgrades. Granted, that might mean 3 Mbit DSL for $70 but that DSL is relatively low-latency (vs. satellite), a dedicated line (vs. wireless or cable) and better than the other options generally (dialup with the same co-op's phone line or some sort of cellular/wireless/satellite).

Another more urban co-op around here has FTTH for an increasing number of custoemrs. 20 Mbps down, 3 Mbps up...the competition doesn't have DOCSIS 3 or fiber hence the relatively low speeds.

Honestly, if a telephone company doesn't offer broadband over its phone lines to a given area within the next year, those phone lines should be either transferred entirely to another company or offered for $5 per pair per month, dry, to a company who will put the circuits in place. Even if the line is fed from a remote.
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Re: Broadband "REA"

said by iansltx See Profile :

As a matter of fact, there are plenty of telephone cooperatives taking a forward-looking stance on network upgrades. Granted, that might mean 3 Mbit DSL for $70 but that DSL is relatively low-latency (vs.
Are you kidding??? 3 megabit? How will BBR users be able to download their HD pr0n in any reasonable amount of time?
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Re: Broadband "REA"

The folks who are getting 3 Mbps service on DSL would normally pay more than that for 1.5 Mbps on satellite, 1 Mbps on wireless or around 1 Mbps with mobile, so it's an upgrade no matter what service you were using before.

I'm betting DSL speeds for HCTC (the co-op in question) are higher than in any of Qwest's even semi-rural footprint. Plus there's a lot of headroom since the average loop length is 7000 feet thanks to a huge amaount of last-mile enhancements the phone company has made. So they could probably push 12 Mbit ADSL2+ with no problem if competition required.

That said, competition doesn't require anything
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Maybe His Holiness, The Lord God Obama, who caused the miracle of the dead to raise up and vote for him

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said by Transmaster See Profile :

Maybe His Holiness, The Lord God Obama, who caused the miracle of the dead to raise up and vote for him


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Re: Broadband "REA"

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said by viperlmw See Profile :

said by Transmaster See Profile :

Maybe His Holiness, The Lord God Obama, who caused the miracle of the dead to raise up and vote for him

Opps sorry I forgot to add...Amen
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I'd LOVE to do this..

I do admit, a WISP is perfect for this state. Lots of small communities and ranchers scattered thoughout the state. I know some backbone providers that might be interested (Vision Net, 360networks, Bresnan Communications, MidRivers Communications, Qwest, Global Crossing)

VisionNet, 360communications, Bresnan, MidRivers, Qwest).

It seems like everyone wants their ROI immediately, though. I doubt that's gonna happen in this state. If they were PATIENT, they would have alot of dedicated customers.

I guess most companies forget who pays their bills and paychecks.

If anyone is interested in developing this in Montana and Upper Wyoming, I'd love to join in.
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Re: I'd LOVE to do this..

One problem Qwest has is for telephone they have to serve almost everybody. If you fiber just he cities and towns who will provide even telephone service to that ranch 20 miles out of town and a mile long driveway from the road.
That is what broadband has done to most of the semi rural parts of the country. The cities are on their 3rd and 4th generation of broadband while small towns and areas outside of them don't even have 1Meg speeds or maybe dialup works.

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Re: I'd LOVE to do this..

I, more or less, recommended Qwest just for a backbone, not actually operate the wireless network.

If I could get a T1 (or a T3) in a small town and put up a WiMax tower, it would spread out the broadband footprint a bit larger.

I'm sure most people wouldn't mind 1mbps access since most people are stuck with sucky dialup. I was 10 miles outside of Miles City, MT and was getting 24kbps connections on a v.90 USRobotics Courier External modem. This modem NEVER goes below 50k.

So.. You can imagine the quality of the phone lines when you get to the really small towns. Then add that most ranches are 10+ miles outside of that small town. Your connection basically turns to crap. Your best bet is, ugh, satellite.

So, if people put up a WiMax network, or small towns put up their own WiMax network (ex. Minicipal Broadband), then the issues would shrink and the broadband map would be larger. What would've happened if Powell, WY added WiMax to their Fiber network?
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