Unlimited, Illegal P2P Use For A Monthly Fee?Playlouder P2P subscription idea re-emerges in the UK... 08:54AM Thursday Aug 14 2008 by Karl Bodetags: Fileswapping · alternatives · contentSome of you might remember the noise several years ago surrounding Playlouder, a service that allowed UK ISP subscribers to trade copyrighted music freely within the network via any p2p client they choose, with Playlouder paying copyright holders. Frequently dubbed a "piracy tax" or collective licensing, it never took off because P2P users already get that content for free, and aren't keen on paying an additional monthly fee to their ISP. The company is now gaining new media traction on the news that UK ISP Virgin Media may implement the system: Playlouder’s service lets users legitimately download from channels like Gnutella, BitTorrent and more - the list goes on - because the “deep packet inspection” technology, installed on the broadband infrastructure, recognises every song downloaded over the ISP network, no matter which protocol, and reimburses rightsholders accordingly. Subscribers to the music package will even be allowed to share tunes amongst themselves because every transfer is anonymously tracked using Audible Magic, but proliferation to non-subscribers will be blocked. But getting one real ISP to sign on in five years of operation isn't exactly stellar, and it doesn't appear that any of the system's initial flaws have been fixed. Deep inspection hardware and technologies such as Audible Magic still struggle with content detection within encrypted traffic, and there's no real incentive for P2P pirates to start paying a monthly fee. Of course the incentive could suddenly be there if ISPs started terminating the accounts of frequent pirates, something the entertainment industry is pushing hard for on a global scale.
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baineschile
join:2008-05-10
Oak Park, MI | Yeah I sure would want to register my name and credit card number in order to trade illegal software and media.
its bad enough with ISP tracking already.
The solution? Dont pirate material, and dont use pirated material | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
 ·Cox HSI
 ·Speakeasy
| Re: Yeah said by baineschile  :I sure would want to register my name and credit card number in order to trade illegal software and media. its bad enough with ISP tracking already. The solution? Dont pirate material, and dont use pirated material Though, if you had a "service" backed by the rights-holders, it would no longer be pirated material at that point (since the rights holders would be being compensated for their property's distribution).
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| | | battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | Re: Yeah You could think of it as an insurance policy against being sued for trading music via p2p.  | |
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baineschile
join:2008-05-10
Oak Park, MI | Re: Yeah the problem is...what software distributor (aka adobe) or studio (mgm) would lease out rights for their material to be traded? they would if they got $$$$$$ from it; but a small monthly fee wouldnt cover the gree from the copyrighters | |
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join:2005-09-28
00000 | Re: Yeah I doubt it would cover anything and everything you could share via p2p. I am sure it would be limited to music, tv shows, and other similar content. | |
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big jake
| can't stop it! pirated material will always be here. you can't stop it from being. i don't know if some people just like the thrill or what. people will always download material that has been copyrighted. they are like water or life; they will always find a way. every step that is taken to stop pirating the pirates are there to step with it. | |
| axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | probably get sued People will think they can download movies and software, then the copyright holders will start asking for money (or sue). | |
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Dryv1yne
@prkcorp.com
| Oh no... this will just give ISPs another "fake" revenue stream if this idea takes off. Just like how they try to spin caps as a positive thing they would try adding an obligatory fee to everyone's monthly bill to cover pirating and try to pass it off as another positive thing they're doing for the consumer  | |
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dadkins
Merry Whatever
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Deep Inspection and Tracked? Uhm, tell me again how this inspection and tracking would only be used for music...
Yeah, this is s step in the wrong direction.
Who gets all this data?
What guarrantee is there that the data doesn't get sold?
Looking somewhat like a paid-for route into a NebuAD-esk nightmare.
I see many snafus in this things future!
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Deep Inspection and Tracked? Right, and I'll list some of the additional problems.
* This kind of arrangement would have to be a whole separate ISP, or otherwise have some way to separate out the users who want to file-share and have their traffic monitored and pay for it, from the rest who aren't interested in getting the files and don't want to pay for them.
* How are they going to detect all the file transfers that copyright holders expect to get paid for? Even changing one bit will change the hash of a file. There are some inspection methods that try to look at the whole structure of a music or video file (after re-assembling the pieces), but this is unreliable. Besides, even weak encryption will prevent identifying the files.
* Because of the file-identification problem, what they're probably talking about is sharing of only the particular files that users get from this one service, with these files containing special markers and have their hashes in a list so they can be spotted easily. So then you have a limited selection to choose from, and copyright holders would not get paid for transfers of files not on the list.
* Does any of the money ever go to the artists/creators at all? Typically with things like this, it's only a fraction of a cent per dollar, with the rest going to the corporate copyright holders that exploit the artists. | |
| netnerd
join:2007-04-14
Oakland, CA | if u pay a fee to pirate, that' call buying it! i dont get it!
if u paying a monthly fee to pirate. is it really pirate?
i guess i'm pirating itune too, i pay a fee 99cent each song to pirate!
i pirating Microsoft Vista too! i paid a fee of 199$ to priate! | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
 ·Verizon FIOS
| "Deep Packet Inspection" quote:
...the “deep packet inspection” technology, installed on the broadband infrastructure, recognises every song downloaded over the ISP network, no matter which protocol...
I'd like to see the algorithm that can properly figure out not only if a song is copyrighted, but also who the copyright belongs to. Take the popular song Yesterday, original performed by the Beetles. It's been covered more then 3,000 times. If it can identify which of the 3,000+ copyright holders a particular version belongs to, regardless of encoding, bitrate, sampling frequency, protocol AND encryption method, that's amazing. I'm sure there are some TLA that would love that type of technology. | |
| | backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | Re: "Deep Packet Inspection" not to mention all the different encodings of mp3's ogg's, waves, flacs and what ever other codec has been used to encode it | |
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