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'Anti-spam measures' taken to the extreme
(old news - 06:13PM Friday Apr 14 2006)
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China has introduced regulations that make it against the law to operate a mail server without a licence. Under the new regulations, Email Service Providers must register their mail servers' internet protocol (IP) addresses with authorities 20 days before they start operating the server. Outfits must also keep a record of all emails sent and received for 60 days. According to the report the new rules also prohibit open relays, and "use of email to discuss certain vaguely defined subjects related to 'network security' and ' information security'."

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SychoSly
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What's the point...

China is trying to regulate everything so much, that it is almost pointless to even go on the internet there. Everything is either censored or illegal.
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Re: What's the point...

said by SychoSly See Profile :

China is trying to regulate everything so much, that it is almost pointless to even go on the internet there. Everything is either censored or illegal.
That might be true but at least they mean business when it comes to spam.
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Re: What's the point...

said by Transmaster See Profile :

said by SychoSly See Profile :

China is trying to regulate everything so much, that it is almost pointless to even go on the internet there. Everything is either censored or illegal.
That might be true but at least they mean business when it comes to spam.
Or else they want a licensing fee from each spammer?
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Once upon a time, in the not to distant future,That will be coming to an ISP near you.

CHICAD
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Eventually, all these regulations will backfire on China as it did the Soviet Union.If this happens, there will be no stability in the world we live.

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Re: What's the point...

said by CHICAD See Profile :

Eventually, all these regulations will backfire on China as it did the Soviet Union.If this happens, there will be no stability in the world we live.
Soviet Union didn't have a functional economy to keep them afloat. If they had a better economy, they'd still be doing the "bad old days" things even today.

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Re: What's the point...

What little functional economy they had went up in smoke,while trying to keep up to President Reagan's military spending.Ronald gave them a con job on the Space Defense Initiative or SDI.
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Re: What's the point...

Gorbachev being willing to give up power, to give his people a better future, might have had a bit to do with it.
If he had chosen to keep a iron fist he could still be in power

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China isn't necessarily that well off. They are short selling themselves.
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Re: What's the point...

said by signmeuptoo See Profile :

China isn't necessarily that well off. They are short selling themselves.
Why do you say that (not necessarily well off - of course their population is about 5 time that of the US, but . . . ), and what do you mean by selling themselves short? In any case, they seem to make at least fifty percent of the products sold in the US! I don't know what the actual numbers are, but to see so much made in China, and so little made in the US is appalling. It's really hard to find products not made in China, especially in certain lines of products, and if it's not "Made in China", there's a sure bet that some of the parts are made in China. Moreover (even though this was not part of the discussion), it's hard to find products made in the US, PERIOD! So I don't know how poorly China's doing, but at the rate they are going, it won't be long before they rule the world, at least economically, even if their people are poor! Apparently even some of our missile parts are made in China. I think that while China may not be so well off, we are definately not well off either!
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Re: What's the point...

said by damox See Profile :

said by signmeuptoo See Profile :

China isn't necessarily that well off. They are short selling themselves.
Why do you say that (not necessarily well off - of course their population is about 5 time that of the US, but . . . ), and what do you mean by selling themselves short? In any case, they seem to make at least fifty percent of the products sold in the US! I don't know what the actual numbers are, but to see so much made in China, and so little made in the US is appalling. It's really hard to find products not made in China, especially in certain lines of products, and if it's not "Made in China", there's a sure bet that some of the parts are made in China. Moreover (even though this was not part of the discussion), it's hard to find products made in the US, PERIOD! So I don't know how poorly China's doing, but at the rate they are going, it won't be long before they rule the world, at least economically, even if their people are poor! Apparently even some of our missile parts are made in China. I think that while China may not be so well off, we are definately not well off either!
Sure, I have no argument with you here. But China is setting herself up for an implosion. I have been following a bunch of stuff about the country, and they are springing leaks all over. They only dominate the world economy because of slave labor, and that won't last, unrest is afoot.
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said by nixen See Profile :

said by CHICAD See Profile :

Eventually, all these regulations will backfire on China as it did the Soviet Union.If this happens, there will be no stability in the world we live.
Soviet Union didn't have a functional economy to keep them afloat. If they had a better economy, they'd still be doing the "bad old days" things even today.

-tom
That is exactly right! Further, the Soviet Union was made up of several countries, not just one . . . but their poor economy is by far what sunk the ship.
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If you think about it, this is a good thing for the rest of us. It should cut down on some of the spam we get that originates in China.

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Re: What's the point...

How will it cut down on the spam? It's not like botnet controllers/hackers (who are quickly becoming the biggest conduits for spam) and scammers follow the law.

Unless China requires their ISPs to block all outbound SMTP traffic from everyone except registered servers it does no real noticeable good.

}Davoice

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said by supertbone See Profile :

If you think about it, this is a good thing for the rest of us. It should cut down on some of the spam we get that originates in China.
Cool, lets pass the same regulations in Florida so we can knock out the other major world spam source.
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I for one welcome the measure. At least it'll cut down on the spam.
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. . . and your expectations from a Communist Country were what?

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Communism

What do you expect from china.

When it comes to citizens freedoms, they have none.
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Re: Communism

said by packetscan See Profile :

What do you expect from china.

When it comes to citizens freedoms, they have none.
i don't like the way the citizens there are treated.

i entirely dislike the fact that human beings can run the lives of other human beings so entirley.

atleased here in the americas we have the illusion of freedom.

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Re: Communism

nor do i :-(

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Really the biggest difference between their country and the U.S. is that we can bitch about everything we don't like in public. We both have our fair share of biased laws and gov't supported business.
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Re: Communism

Not quitely, if you bitch about black people, Al Sharpton and the NAACP will come after your a$$, if you bitch about white people, Rush Limbaugh and the KKK will come after your a$$,if you bitch about Jewish, they will send an armies of lawyers after you a$$ and when you bitch about the Governments, they thought you're actually compliment them.
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Re: Communism

Goode one!

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Can you watch porn online

in China

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Re: Can you watch porn online

Probably as long as it isn't political in nature.

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everyone

Just think about all the illegals out there right now in china with this law. i thought everyone was suppsoed to equal in china, not everyone illegal

bokamba
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The hidden side to this

Yeah, sure it'll make spamming harder, but it'll also make it easier to shut down email communications that the government doesn't approve of, i.e., religious or anti-Communist Party communications.

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Re: The hidden side to this

said by bokamba See Profile :

Yeah, sure it'll make spamming harder, but it'll also make it easier to shut down email communications that the government doesn't approve of, i.e., religious or anti-Communist Party communications.
Well, we already know that Google won't have any problem complying. They already showed their hand where China and privacy is concerned.
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Re: The hidden side to this

Yeah they looked at the law and are following it in China, maybe they should just stay stateside and stuff wads of cash into politicians pockets since that's such a proper thing to be doing to protect our freedom you enjoy so much.

China has laws, people have to follow them. The USA has laws, people have to follow them. Russia has laws, people have to follow them. If you don't like that concept buy an island offshore somewhere and make your own laws.
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April 14th, @07:56PM

Re: The hidden side to this

In Soviet Russia law follows you. At least in China corporations have to follow the law. In the U.S. it is a little bit of a different story.

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Hidden? I think it's glaringly obvious.

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The difference between

this law and other Chinese laws is that this isn't aimed at censorship, its aimed at stopping spam.
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April 14th, @09:08PM

This is news?

Before anyone believes any of this stuff, you should note that it is certainly not breaking news from the AP Newswire, or the NY Times for that matter. I thought the source from the author, Simon Burns of VNUNET, might have had the translation off - you know, like in a game of Chinese Telephone? What I found was that the only source Burns covered, China to regulate Internet Email Services, from The Internet Society of China, doesn't say anthing about new rules prohibiting the use of email to discuss certain vaguely defined subjects: 'network security' and 'information security'. Well, it must be a slow day for sales over at vnunet.
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no communism

ABSOLUTELY NO COMMUNISM ON THE WORLD.!

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proxy server

China has had something that acts like a proxy server for a long time. While I am talking with a friend in China I talk about a web site so I send a URL and it is blocked for Chinese citizens, it seems. The Internet is a lot smaller to Chinese citizens than it is for the rest of the world, apparently.
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wow - mail server

I guess they like to preserved state run money making/milk the cow Post office service, telecom service and whatever else.
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while some of you are bashin' china, your congressmen..

in DC are pushing for bills to track your ass where ever you may go online. Ultimately, the only place where the FBI can't track you is perheps in china hehe.

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gov't tracking

I don't care if my government tracks my Internet usage since I don't have anything to hide. At least I can go anywhere the Internet goes freely if I want to do so. As far as bash China? I don't think I have the right to bash a country that has been in existence for thousands of years in contrast to our country's hundreds of years at being a nation.

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Re: gov't tracking

said by lonnyb See Profile :

I don't care if my government tracks my Internet usage since I don't have anything to hide. At least I can go anywhere the Internet goes freely if I want to do so. As far as bash China? I don't think I have the right to bash a country that has been in existence for thousands of years in contrast to our country's hundreds of years at being a nation.
It doesn't take much for the government to change its mind in what it thinks is ok. How do you know you won't someday have something to hide? (in the eyes of the government)
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Re: gov't tracking

Good point!! I suppose I'll deal with that one situation at a time.
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Don't we support Freedom anymore?

And we continue to increase our trade deficit with China and allow American companies to invest there so we can shutdown more US factories and put Americans out of work all to support Communism. How stupid are we?

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Re: Don't we support Freedom anymore?

Our Government let more then 12 millions ILLEGAL aliens taking over our country and they can do nothing about it!! Now you understand that we have bunch of monkeys running our Government.(No offend to the monkeys,I think they are smarter then what we have in our capital)
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Re: Don't we support Freedom anymore?

said by P2PPirate2 See Profile :

Our Government let more then 12 millions ILLEGAL aliens taking over our country and they can do nothing about it!! Now you understand that we have bunch of monkeys running our Government.(No offend to the monkeys,I think they are smarter then what we have in our capital)
The sad part of your post is I don't see any way out that issue either. The country can vote left or right and we will get the same shit. Both parties have failed this country because of power and money and no one has the balls to vote third party. Maybe my great grandchildren will get lucky and the next government will actually enforce the current laws instead of ignoring the laws and giving hand outs to the ones that break it...

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Where Are They Now?

And then we have people on here, this very site, enjoying the freedoms of America and the west who will say that "China is a wonderland."

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April 15th, @01:04AM

Re: Where Are They Now?

Don't delude yourself. You have the freedom to bitch and not get arrested. Otherwise, you live in the country that, per capita, incarcerates more of its citizens than any other on the face of the earth. You can say what you want, but if you don't do what you're told....

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Re: Where Are They Now?

said by nozzer See Profile :

Don't delude yourself. You have the freedom to bitch and not get arrested. Otherwise, you live in the country that, per capita, incarcerates more of its citizens than any other on the face of the earth. You can say what you want, but if you don't do what you're told....
Yeah, and most of them are minorities / immigrants who fail to assimilate into society.
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Don't believe it for a minute

Don't think that China gives a sh*t about outgoing spam. This is about helping track their citizen's communications. Open relays prohibited? Chinese govt wouldn't want citizens surreptitious communications being bounced thru relays to obscure their point of origin.

Sure they have to play "good world citizen" to a small extent or other countries might get mad and stop buying all those sweatshop goods but above all else it's about keeping a tight rein on their own people. What would they care about spam in the same country where you can buy knock-offs of every brand name product, mass produced illegally copied software and movies on every street corner?
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China is going through perestroika

The Soviets went through this faze, it will eventually fail because once people are exposed to some kind of freedom, they will demand more of it, and they will not stop until they get that. Of coarse that does not seem to apply to fascist muslims or democrats (cause thier commies too!

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How does this cut down on spam?

How would it? Is the gov't going to block a server that is deemed a spambot?

I'm pretty skeptical about this...look at how little the government tries to stop piracy other than a few high profile raids to make it look like they give a crap. Hooray for communism
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