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| Re: What's the point... said by SychoSly :China is trying to regulate everything so much, that it is almost pointless to even go on the internet there. Everything is either censored or illegal. That might be true but at least they mean business when it comes to spam.  -- Low voltage Tech's are wimps, Real tech's use 45 pound filament transformers, plate voltages no less then 2400 volts with at least 10 amp's lighting 8877 triodes...BPL I'm coming to get you. | |
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| Re: What's the point... said by CHICAD :Eventually, all these regulations will backfire on China as it did the Soviet Union.If this happens, there will be no stability in the world we live. Soviet Union didn't have a functional economy to keep them afloat. If they had a better economy, they'd still be doing the "bad old days" things even today.
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| Re: What's the point... What little functional economy they had went up in smoke,while trying to keep up to President Reagan's military spending.Ronald gave them a con job on the Space Defense Initiative or SDI.  -- Bass....the glue of rhythm and harmony...the heartbeat of the band.! Shaking the earth with deep,sonorous vibrations.The dark ominous thunder of an approching storm. | |
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| Re: What's the point... said by signmeuptoo :China isn't necessarily that well off. They are short selling themselves. Why do you say that (not necessarily well off - of course their population is about 5 time that of the US, but . . . ), and what do you mean by selling themselves short? In any case, they seem to make at least fifty percent of the products sold in the US! I don't know what the actual numbers are, but to see so much made in China, and so little made in the US is appalling. It's really hard to find products not made in China, especially in certain lines of products, and if it's not "Made in China", there's a sure bet that some of the parts are made in China. Moreover (even though this was not part of the discussion), it's hard to find products made in the US, PERIOD! So I don't know how poorly China's doing, but at the rate they are going, it won't be long before they rule the world, at least economically, even if their people are poor! Apparently even some of our missile parts are made in China. I think that while China may not be so well off, we are definately not well off either! -- DAMOX Proud to be a member of Team Discovery | |
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| Re: What's the point... said by damox :said by signmeuptoo :China isn't necessarily that well off. They are short selling themselves. Why do you say that (not necessarily well off - of course their population is about 5 time that of the US, but . . . ), and what do you mean by selling themselves short? In any case, they seem to make at least fifty percent of the products sold in the US! I don't know what the actual numbers are, but to see so much made in China, and so little made in the US is appalling. It's really hard to find products not made in China, especially in certain lines of products, and if it's not "Made in China", there's a sure bet that some of the parts are made in China. Moreover (even though this was not part of the discussion), it's hard to find products made in the US, PERIOD! So I don't know how poorly China's doing, but at the rate they are going, it won't be long before they rule the world, at least economically, even if their people are poor! Apparently even some of our missile parts are made in China. I think that while China may not be so well off, we are definately not well off either! Sure, I have no argument with you here. But China is setting herself up for an implosion. I have been following a bunch of stuff about the country, and they are springing leaks all over. They only dominate the world economy because of slave labor, and that won't last, unrest is afoot. -- God Bless us all. Pray for the starving in the world. Pray the Rogue nation's change their ways and our nation can resolve to not force itself always on others. Protect Taiwan from China. Peace to the world. | |
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| said by nixen :said by CHICAD :Eventually, all these regulations will backfire on China as it did the Soviet Union.If this happens, there will be no stability in the world we live. Soviet Union didn't have a functional economy to keep them afloat. If they had a better economy, they'd still be doing the "bad old days" things even today. -tom That is exactly right! Further, the Soviet Union was made up of several countries, not just one . . . but their poor economy is by far what sunk the ship. -- DAMOX Proud to be a member of Team Discovery | |
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| Re: What's the point... How will it cut down on the spam? It's not like botnet controllers/hackers (who are quickly becoming the biggest conduits for spam) and scammers follow the law.
Unless China requires their ISPs to block all outbound SMTP traffic from everyone except registered servers it does no real noticeable good.
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| Re: Communism said by packetscan :What do you expect from china. When it comes to citizens freedoms, they have none. i don't like the way the citizens there are treated.
i entirely dislike the fact that human beings can run the lives of other human beings so entirley.
atleased here in the americas we have the illusion of freedom. | |
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| Really the biggest difference between their country and the U.S. is that we can bitch about everything we don't like in public. We both have our fair share of biased laws and gov't supported business. -- Location: +48° 5' 23.40", -119° 48' 30.00" | |
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| Re: Communism Not quitely, if you bitch about black people, Al Sharpton and the NAACP will come after your a$$, if you bitch about white people, Rush Limbaugh and the KKK will come after your a$$,if you bitch about Jewish, they will send an armies of lawyers after you a$$ and when you bitch about the Governments, they thought you're actually compliment them. | |
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  jgkolt Premium join:2004-02-21 Lakewood, OH clubs: | everyone Just think about all the illegals out there right now in china with this law. i thought everyone was suppsoed to equal in china, not everyone illegal | |
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| Re: The hidden side to this said by bokamba :Yeah, sure it'll make spamming harder, but it'll also make it easier to shut down email communications that the government doesn't approve of, i.e., religious or anti-Communist Party communications. Well, we already know that Google won't have any problem complying. They already showed their hand where China and privacy is concerned. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page | |
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| Re: The hidden side to this Yeah they looked at the law and are following it in China, maybe they should just stay stateside and stuff wads of cash into politicians pockets since that's such a proper thing to be doing to protect our freedom you enjoy so much.
China has laws, people have to follow them. The USA has laws, people have to follow them. Russia has laws, people have to follow them. If you don't like that concept buy an island offshore somewhere and make your own laws. -- Location: +48° 5' 23.40", -119° 48' 30.00" | |
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| Re: The hidden side to this In Soviet Russia law follows you. At least in China corporations have to follow the law. In the U.S. it is a little bit of a different story. | |
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| This is news? Before anyone believes any of this stuff, you should note that it is certainly not breaking news from the AP Newswire, or the NY Times for that matter. I thought the source from the author, Simon Burns of VNUNET, might have had the translation off - you know, like in a game of Chinese Telephone? What I found was that the only source Burns covered, China to regulate Internet Email Services, from The Internet Society of China, doesn't say anthing about new rules prohibiting the use of email to discuss certain vaguely defined subjects: 'network security' and 'information security'. Well, it must be a slow day for sales over at vnunet. | |
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| proxy server China has had something that acts like a proxy server for a long time. While I am talking with a friend in China I talk about a web site so I send a URL and it is blocked for Chinese citizens, it seems. The Internet is a lot smaller to Chinese citizens than it is for the rest of the world, apparently. | |
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| gov't tracking I don't care if my government tracks my Internet usage since I don't have anything to hide. At least I can go anywhere the Internet goes freely if I want to do so. As far as bash China? I don't think I have the right to bash a country that has been in existence for thousands of years in contrast to our country's hundreds of years at being a nation. | |
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| Re: gov't tracking said by lonnyb :I don't care if my government tracks my Internet usage since I don't have anything to hide. At least I can go anywhere the Internet goes freely if I want to do so. As far as bash China? I don't think I have the right to bash a country that has been in existence for thousands of years in contrast to our country's hundreds of years at being a nation. It doesn't take much for the government to change its mind in what it thinks is ok. How do you know you won't someday have something to hide? (in the eyes of the government) -- Ningen wa, ningen da. | |
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| Re: Don't we support Freedom anymore? Our Government let more then 12 millions ILLEGAL aliens taking over our country and they can do nothing about it!! Now you understand that we have bunch of monkeys running our Government.(No offend to the monkeys,I think they are smarter then what we have in our capital) | |
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| Re: Don't we support Freedom anymore? said by P2PPirate2 :Our Government let more then 12 millions ILLEGAL aliens taking over our country and they can do nothing about it!! Now you understand that we have bunch of monkeys running our Government.(No offend to the monkeys,I think they are smarter then what we have in our capital) The sad part of your post is I don't see any way out that issue either. The country can vote left or right and we will get the same shit. Both parties have failed this country because of power and money and no one has the balls to vote third party. Maybe my great grandchildren will get lucky and the next government will actually enforce the current laws instead of ignoring the laws and giving hand outs to the ones that break it... | |
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| Re: Where Are They Now? Don't delude yourself. You have the freedom to bitch and not get arrested. Otherwise, you live in the country that, per capita, incarcerates more of its citizens than any other on the face of the earth. You can say what you want, but if you don't do what you're told.... | |
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| Re: Where Are They Now? said by nozzer :Don't delude yourself. You have the freedom to bitch and not get arrested. Otherwise, you live in the country that, per capita, incarcerates more of its citizens than any other on the face of the earth. You can say what you want, but if you don't do what you're told.... Yeah, and most of them are minorities / immigrants who fail to assimilate into society. -- »www.hello-radio.org/
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Sure they have to play "good world citizen" to a small extent or other countries might get mad and stop buying all those sweatshop goods but above all else it's about keeping a tight rein on their own people. What would they care about spam in the same country where you can buy knock-offs of every brand name product, mass produced illegally copied software and movies on every street corner? | |
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| China is going through perestroika The Soviets went through this faze, it will eventually fail because once people are exposed to some kind of freedom, they will demand more of it, and they will not stop until they get that. Of coarse that does not seem to apply to fascist muslims or democrats (cause thier commies too! | |
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How would it? Is the gov't going to block a server that is deemed a spambot?
I'm pretty skeptical about this...look at how little the government tries to stop piracy other than a few high profile raids to make it look like they give a crap. Hooray for communism -- Arrogant People Suck. AMWFBI's Most Wanted Interpol's MW | |
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