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join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA | Wow Wow, over a minute to 'tune' to the station. That's a little insane. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Wow Yeah - that's pretty lame.
I thought there were 2 messages on here... I guess Karl removed the first one
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cypherstream
There's no place like 127.0.0.1
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs:
 ·Cingular Wireless
| Re: Wow Wow WTF is the set top box doing? It's IPTV right, so the channels aren't taking up bandwidth until they are requested at the set top. Why not treat these channels just like any other IPTV channel?
That box is a slow P.O.S. What's with these set top manufacturers creating really sub performing boxes? | |
| Austinloop
join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX | Public Access In the two years since I fired T/W and got Dish, I have not had any withdrawal from Public Access. I suppose if one wants to watch the local silly council and others posture, it is a loss, but for me, NO!!!! | |
| | james1
join:2001-02-26
antarctica
| Re: Public Access The Tom Green show was first on public access in my area, long before he ever had any exposure outside of Ottawa. Whatever your opinion of his so called "humour", he was given a chance that he would never have received otherwise. It's a good way to keep television from becoming a bland monolith with every show adhering to the same tired old ideas. "Oh lets have this group of friends who are all very different and living in ten thousand dollar a month apartments in downtown Manhattan." "yeah! and lets make one of them really goofy and stupid, but kind at heart, and one of them can be the serious dull one." "wow yeah!" "also lets make them all date eachother at some point in time, because that's what friends obviously do." | |
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
| said by Austinloop  :In the two years since I fired T/W and got Dish, I have not had any withdrawal from Public Access. I suppose if one wants to watch the local silly council and others posture, it is a loss, but for me, NO!!!! Well, wait until you are homebound senior and the city council is discussing a property tax raise on your house and then see what you think of those silly council meetings on the PEG channels....
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| DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX | Online In this day and age PEG-type channels should be delivered via streaming video or downloadable recordings. | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
clubs:
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| Re: Online said by DMS1 :In this day and age PEG-type channels should be delivered via streaming video or downloadable recordings. It doesn't even need to be live. I'd rather download the video of a meeting and be able to fast forward thru all the useless preliminaries and pauses between agenda items.
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
| Re: Online said by TK Junk Mail :It doesn't even need to be live. I'd rather download the video of a meeting and be able to fast forward thru all the useless preliminaries and pauses between agenda items. There are some important reasons for the video to be live. A lot of seniors in particular will watch the live video so they can stay home during the preliminaries and show up at the end for citizen comment on specific issues. Some cities actually allow email comments for live sessions.
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jslik
That just happened
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join:2006-03-17
clubs:
| said by DMS1 :In this day and age PEG-type channels should be delivered via streaming video or downloadable recordings. Many of them are, but not everyone has a computer and/or decent broadband.
I don't think asking for some channel space in exchange for running facilities over the public right-of-way is asking too much...
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| | | MyDogHsFleas
Premium
join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·AT&T Southwest
| Re: Online said by jslik :said by DMS1 :In this day and age PEG-type channels should be delivered via streaming video or downloadable recordings. Many of them are, but not everyone has a computer and/or decent broadband. They can go to the library and view it there. Or they can go to the meeting in person.
I don't think asking for some channel space in exchange for running facilities over the public right-of-way is asking too much...
It's a cost vs. benefit thing for me. Back in the day when cable first started, there were no other outlets for people. Now we have an explosion of free outlets on the Internet, with podcasts, YouTube, social networking sites, etc. etc. and incredibly cheap entry costs for equipment and hookups. Why should I as a taxpayer have to subsidize these public access channels and the production facilities for TV programs that have audiences measured in the single and double digits? | |
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jsz0
join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT
·Comcast
| Re: Online Internet video isn't free. You need a computer, digital camera, sound equipment, editing software, lights and bandwidth. You could use YouTube but there's a pretty annoying 10 minute clip length to deal with. Public access on the other hand is 100% free. They supply the sound & video equipment. Phone lines for call-ins. Lights, access to editing equipment, and a director to do some basic camera switching/graphics overlays. | |
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join:2006-07-28
Grass Lake, MI
·Alltel Axess
| Re: Online You still don't get it. Public access TV recording is still not free. Someone is paying for you to get access to this equipment. The CATV companies are paying for it by price increases on basic service rates for ALL CUSTOMERS! In some locations, the people are paying for it by additional taxes.
In the case of Internet video, it falls upon the person that wishes to use the service to pay the costs. This is a better model in today's age of cheap computers, cameras, sound equipment and software. I have everything to do this today in high quality and I didn't purchase any of it for that purpose. If it was your hobby, you can get started doing it for less than $1,000. A sharp change for the $20,000-30,000 it would have cost 15 years ago for similar quality.
As technology changes, rules need to be rewritten and changed to keep up. Keeping an outdated system such as PEG just makes no sense. One or two government channels is about the maximum for local government and school information. At some point, even this will be entirely on the Internet, but at this point that step is too early. Everyone else can reach a much larger audience using the Internet video sites. | |
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jslik
That just happened
Premium
join:2006-03-17
clubs:
| Re: Online If going 100% streaming/internet isn't good enough for any other channel/network today, then why is it good enough for local access?
Books are cheap to buy (and even print these days) too, so why not get rid of the library? You'd save way more money...
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Premium
join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Southwest
| Re: Online To me this is one of those things that started rather accidentally and has now become an entitlement or right.
It just so happened that Cable TV grew up as a local community phenomenon, it was originally CATV or Community Antenna TV. Some community decided to toss this burden on them, and others picked it up and ran with it. Then the FCC mandated it.
Now it's become a cause. There are organizations defending "our right to public TV channel access!!"
I just wish it was possible to have a discussion where we list pros and cons rather than have these causes and fights. | |
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jslik
That just happened
Premium
join:2006-03-17
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| Re: Online said by MyDogHsFleas : Some community decided to toss this burden on them, and others picked it up and ran with it. Then the FCC mandated it.....I just wish it was possible to have a discussion where we list pros and cons rather than have these causes and fights. Well, technically, it's not 'mandated' by the FCC, it was placed into law by Congress who said communities want it can get it, but if the community doesn't want it, the cable co. doesn't have to provide it. I'm being picky. 
I think it's possible to have that pro/con fight, but there are few debates that don't devolve into a cause these days.
I did look up the last survey done in 1998 in Austin and it showed that 30% of then Time-Warner viewers watched public access frequently/occasionally. Many, many channels on cable would kill for numbers like that. Granted, the survey is ten years old, but I've seen similar numbers in more recent surveys in other places.
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jslik
That just happened
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join:2006-03-17
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| said by MyDogHsFleas : They can go to the library and view it there. Or they can go to the meeting in person....Now we have an explosion of free outlets on the Internet, with podcasts, YouTube, social networking sites, etc. etc. and incredibly cheap entry costs for equipment and hookups. Why should I as a taxpayer have to subsidize these public access channels and the production facilities for TV programs that have audiences measured in the single and double digits? What about people that can't make to the library/meeting easily? Tough luck?
You 'subsidize' any number of things that are utilized by a minority amount of people in your community. That said, every survey I've ever seen on local access channels reports that they get a surprising amount of viewers, and are valued by the majority of respondents.
Your cable bill, incidentally, is full of subsidized channels which inflate your bill much more than local access, and if local access went away tomorrow, do you really think your bill would go down?
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| JBrown07
join:2007-11-26
Wayne, WV
·Suddenlink
·FrontierNet Intern..
·Alltel Axess
| AT&T takes too long Since cable is required to have these channels, FiOS and U-Verse should have to as well. The way they have to go through U-Verse to access the channel is ridiculous. If U-Verse is ever exempt from carrying Public Access TV then cable should be exempt as well. | |
| | | BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| who cares hell there's no public access stations where I live. Unless you call real estate ads and local sunday church services public access. When I lived in Tampa most of what was on public access was worthless garbage anyways. Mostly nutcases on the conservative and liberal extremes spewing their garbage. | |
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Mumbly Joe
@charter.com
| Re: who cares (you should!) Were you the guy with the Liberal show or the Conservative one??
...really - while not every citizen has community access, those who do, can use it to say whatever the US Constitution allows, similar to your freedom of speech on this forum. That right is clearly important to you, because you are using it. Don't take this for granted either, or it could suffer the same fate. | |
| | | BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: who cares (you should!) said by Mumbly Joe :
Were you the guy with the Liberal show or the Conservative one??
...really - while not every citizen has community access, those who do, can use it to say whatever the US Constitution allows, similar to your freedom of speech on this forum. That right is clearly important to you, because you are using it. Don't take this for granted either, or it could suffer the same fate.
yes yes come KKK guy saying how much he hates black and jews. Some tin foil hat dude telling me how Bush set up 9-11. Some rush Limbaugh wannabe saying how evil liberals are. Some chick doing wicca spells and telling people their horoscopes. Oh and late at night some washed up 40 year old porn queen doing a soft porn "talk" show. yes just what I want to see. | |
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JMcHugh
@mn.us
| Re: who cares (you should!) OK, so there's a Public access channel with programs you don't like...there's also commercial channels with programs you don't like...there's probably web sites you don't like. But you can find something you do like to watch or browse. That's better than 35 years ago when all you may have had was the 3 national commersial networks, and 1 public and 1 independent b-cast station to watch...until they powered down at 1 or 2am. Want to compare apples to oranges, or commercial speech to free speech? Go ahead. With basic cable tv, your monthly cost is less than broadband, easier to view than internet video, no computer required, and no learning curve for ordinary folks who want that choice. Maybe someday all the current viewing choices on cable tv will be present on the internet, but not this year or next year. Do you have an opinion on a topic of great interest to yourself and are you willing to make a video about it to share with others....no? Well, the others got off the couch, made a video, and that's what's on public access...no income tax or property tax monies were used.
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MattE
Obama '08
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC |  How long?
It also shows how U-Verse still needs a ton of work. | |
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jjsk8r85
join:2005-02-17
Belleville, MI | Re: How long? yeah, they can start by ditching fttn and going ftth | |
| mikedz4
join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV
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| I've never found meeting video on net yet. when did local government meetings become available on the internet? I've yet to see one such meeting on the internet for me to watch. Sure I can look at my city council minutes but i can't log on and watch the meetings. Even pittsburgh,pa and wheeling,wv don't have such access yet. | |
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iptvsux
| ... regardless of content..it's insane how u-verse's network is such a joke and inferior to fios, satellite, and cable companies. those old SBC / ATT guys must be smoking some powerful sh*t! | |
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