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December 11th, @10:13AM
|  AT&T has big plans for U-Verse
AT&T Inc. on Tuesday raised its dividend 12.7 percent, announced a share buyback and set a long-term target for its TV service, which is delivered over phone lines, saying it will be available to 30 million customers by 2010.
AT&T expects to spend between $4.5 billion and $5 billion on U-verse through 2008.
Stephenson told analysts the new target includes customers in the Southeastern states formerly served by BellSouth Corp., which AT&T acquired late last year.
AT&T shares rose $2.10, or 5.5 percent, to $40 in morning trading Tuesday. 30 million homes passed by 2010. They have a long way to go to reach that. It will be hard for them to reach that number. They only have 126,000 U-verse customers right now.
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| Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse said by TK Junk Mail  :» ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i1iU···8TFA50G0AT&T Inc. on Tuesday raised its dividend 12.7 percent, announced a share buyback and set a long-term target for its TV service, which is delivered over phone lines, saying it will be available to 30 million customers by 2010.
AT&T expects to spend between $4.5 billion and $5 billion on U-verse through 2008.
Stephenson told analysts the new target includes customers in the Southeastern states formerly served by BellSouth Corp., which AT&T acquired late last year.
AT&T shares rose $2.10, or 5.5 percent, to $40 in morning trading Tuesday. 30 million homes passed by 2010. They have a long way to go to reach that. It will be hard for them to reach that number. They only have 126,000 U-verse customers right now. 126k LMAO. What a joke. 30 million by 2010? That's funny. | |
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clubs: | Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse i agree. they are shooting for the moon (stock market overlords) with those unreachable numbers. | |
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| Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse said by timcuth :There is a big difference between "homes passed" and actual customers. If 1% of the 30 million homes passed actually subscribed, that would yield 300,000 paying customers. Who wants this service, anyway? I don't see any advantage over DSL on the broadband side. Is it better than cable or satellite for TV service? Also, they had better be prepared to offer everything in HDTV, as that is the way everyone is going. Tim What gets me is, in 2010, it'll be time to upgrade the network to all fiber. It's a never ending story with them. | |
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| Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse i don't see how u-verse is all that bad. i know it is FTTN not FTTH, but it allows for some of the present infrastructure to be used, and i wouldn't be surprised if it is faster to wire a town/city up than FTTH, but that is just speculation. i'm also guessing the time from when the order was placed to when the connection is live is faster, they probably could even do without sending a technician to install, since it is just VDSL from node to house.
isn't MDUs hold up verizon (no conspiracy theories please) to some extent? FTTN can bypass that issue for the most part, they can also wait for verizon to figure out a good method of getting fiber to MDU that also has been tested, in-field, extensively. when ATT is finally ready to convert from FTTN to FTTH all they need to do is run fiber for the last few thousand feet, which could be a long time from now. according to wikipedia, it looks like major cities are getting wired up first, something verizon is avoiding (atleast has been) ignoring for a while. | |
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San Jose, CA
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| said by timcuth :Who wants this service, anyway? I don't see any advantage over DSL on the broadband side. Is it better than cable or satellite for TV service? Also, they had better be prepared to offer everything in HDTV, as that is the way everyone is going. Playing devil's advocate this time (or should I say Darth Vader or something), U-Verse can limp along with HD pretty well: with good codecs and delivery, they can deliver what the customers order, if it's just HD they're talking about. Even though Deathstar's TV lineup right now sucks, it doesn't have to continue sucking; they could Comcastify it (Comcast's slogan for improving their network to the point of making it wholy worthwhile and modern) or equivilant after they've already done the equipment installations.
They can also deliver more broadband too.
What they can't do is deliver high quality broadband and hands-down high room number HD streams; for that, they'd probably just ask you to order extra lines. | |
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Covington, LA | yea...they're only a couple hundred thousand behind Verizon at only a fraction of the cost. What are they thinking?! | |
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| Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse said by bogey780 :yea...they're only a couple hundred thousand behind Verizon at only a fraction of the cost. What are they thinking?! Come on bogey....
Verizon services 1.3 Million FiOS customers, and 700,000+ FiOSTV customers. | |
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Covington, LA | Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse And when Verizon was at 500k TV customers, AT&T was at 39k. It's not like AT&T has been doing this for years. | |
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| Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse said by bogey780 :And when Verizon was at 500k TV customers, AT&T was at 39k. It's not like AT&T has been doing this for years. Nobody said that. But "a couple hundred thousand behind Verizon at only a fraction of the cost" is typical AT&T talk for "We're way behind, but our investors are happy with that we're "upgrading" but at our own slow pace".
Let's be realistic here. They want to pass 30 million homes by 2010? We're entering 2008 now. They are going to really need to start dishing out a ton of cash. Unlike Verizon who manages to handle their upset investors, AT&T does everything to please them..
I have a feeling that in 2010, AT&T will come forward and say that their 30 million mark is a little behind, or in their terms "only a couple hundred thousand behind Verizon", and the real numbers will be nowhere near the 30 million mark. | |
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| Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse The architecture is different requiring different outlays. A slow initial growth is about expected. It's once the groundwork is placed that growth can take off.
The schedules they have and have distributed cover large areas... it's just it takes about a year for conditioning to occur and new crews to be trained for installing. So you're going to see geometric growth in customers. | |
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| Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse said by bogey780 :The architecture is different requiring different outlays. A slow initial growth is about expected. It's once the groundwork is placed that growth can take off. The schedules they have and have distributed cover large areas... it's just it takes about a year for conditioning to occur and new crews to be trained for installing. So you're going to see geometric growth in customers. I wish I had as much faith in AT&T as you do... | |
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Covington, LA | Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse Faith is something a person has when they don't know the reasoning or factors at work.
The only thing I should have "faith" in is AT&T meeting it's sign-up goals. As far as deployment, I'm pretty sure I'll get it when I figure I will. | |
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Forest, OH | Maybe not. I work some in Toledo, and live outside of Findlay, OH. Both are AT&T cities, and both have new vrads being installed. I believe there is a lot of areas that are seeing this kind of work being done. | |
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Covington, LA | it was 126k in the end of the last quarter. It is quite higher than that right now if the projections hold. | |
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Livermore, CA | Will it be possible for AT&T to upgrade the equipment in the VRADs for FTTH in the future? If that's the case, then it may not be such a big problem upgrading their capacity in the future. I wonder if this is what they've been planning all along. | |
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| Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse said by kdepasquale :Will it be possible for AT&T to upgrade the equipment in the VRADs for FTTH in the future? If that's the case, then it may not be such a big problem upgrading their capacity in the future. I wonder if this is what they've been planning all along. Hehe, someone has finally hit the big nail on the head. Some say it makes no sense to not deploy fiber now, however with the recent advancements in fiber e.g.(bendable fiber by Corning) there are reasons to go at it a little slower, if you can provide acceptable service to the 75-80% of the public that wants this type of service and can accept some little growing pains for a lower bill every month, why not? I was skeptical at AT&T's plan at first but ole Ma Bell may get the old big ship turned around in a couple of years. All the critics may be surprised. | |
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| Re: AT&T has big plans for U-Verse Yup. It seems to me that because they are essentially putting a VRAD in every neighborhood, they already have half the infrastructure there, and will still be able to save money in the future by running fiber from the VRAD to the premises.
Instead of running many fiber lines really far the way they currently do with copper, they'll be able to minimize the amount of fiber coming from the CO - some set amount for each VRAD - and essentially reduce the amount of fiber necessary to run each neighborhood.
I'm also wondering if having the equipment spaced all over a city would help with redundancy - they won't be keeping all of their eggs in one basket - at least as far as getting signal to the customers' homes is concerned.
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Port Orange, FL | 'available to 30 million' but how many will BUY? What incentive will there be for me to change?-Any opinions out there from the ones who now have this service? | |
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| Re: 200 Families? said by meskinct :That's it? A measly 200 families? And that counts as a product launch? Did you read the article? It said nothing of a product launch...
...U-Verse will be seen in Atlanta this year, but the initial footprint will be rather small as the company aims to test the system on BellSouth's network. | |
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| Re: 200 Families? "This is a controlled launch of a few hundred homes," AT&T spokesman Wes Warnock said.
Maybe instead of the BS PR spin he should have said, "This is just a test. We have no idea when we will offer it to the general public."
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| What a joke Forget all of your current customers that got you were you are today. Run over and work on Bell South territory now too. Again, many areas still can't get DSL. Oh well. Oh and by the way, I'm not going to really care for U-Verse. Our new cable company is upgrading our cable system and I will be able to get 10mbps/1mbps for $59.95 a month, that will piss all over U-Verse's 6mbps/1mbps. Plus they have about 300 channels.
As stated before, the way AT&T is handling U-Verse, it's nothing more than a cable system, in fact, it's even less than that in terms of broadband. A cable system that is "upgraded" is fiber to the pole and coax during the drop to the home. U-Verse is fiber to the node then copper the rest of the way.
They need to re-think this if they want to compete in the future, especially with cable systems starting to experiment with DOCSIS 3.0.
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| Re: What a joke said by dslwanter :Forget all of your current customers that got you were you are today. Run over and work on Bell South now too.
Its one company now...They can be working on former BellSouth as well as doing upgrades in other parts of the country, all simultaneously.
said by dslwanter :Our new cable company is upgrading our cable system and I will be able to get 10mbps/1mbps for $59.95 a month, that will piss all over U-Verse's 6mbps/1mbps. To each their own. Many people outside of BBReports.com like spending half of your $60 10/1 for something that suites their needs.
said by dslwanter :A cable system that is "upgraded" is fiber to the pole and coax during the drop to the home. U-Verse is fiber to the node then copper the rest of the way.
LOL. Do you seriously think that in front of every house the coax somehow mysteriously taps into the fiber every couple hundred feet in the air? You need some serious education on optical & electrical transport methods and how they interact. Pick up a manual on cable & telco plant architecture while you are at it.
said by dslwanter :They need to re-think this if they want to compete in the future, especially with cable systems starting to experiment with DOCSIS 3.0. Uverse using the VDSL standard is providing, right now, 70-100mps into peoples homes, albeit not an open pipe. AT&T can hypothetically 'flip the switch' if it wants to offer faster downloads in the future.
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| Re: What a joke said by Cod :Its one company now...They can be working on former BellSouth as well as doing upgrades in other parts of the country, all simultaneously. I never said it was 2 separate companies, I said 2 separate territories. Just like there's AT&T Midwest, AT&T Southeast, AT&T Southeast, ect.
said by Cod :Many people outside of BBReports.com like spending half of your $60 10/1 for something that suites their needs. And how are they suppose to get anything AT&T offers if it's not available to them? The advantage of cable is they cover the entire territory stated, there's no "distance limits". Unfortunately, you still have this even with U-Verse. I do agree with you however on the speed. Cheaper is always better and if there's a more cost efficient way to do it, AT&T DOES HAVE a hell of a deal on their 6mbps, but there in comes the distance limit.
said by Cod :LOL. Do you seriously think that in front of every house the coax somehow mysteriously taps into the fiber every couple hundred feet in the air? You need some serious education on optical & electrical transport methods and how they interact. Pick up a manual on cable & telco plant architecture while you are at it. I think you're in dire need of education. Do YOU SERIOUSLY THINK there's enough bandwidth in coax to provide several different households equal bandwidth? If this was the case fiber wouldn't need to "be installed throughout our township" and they could run fiber to certain points and still utilize the current cabling and not spend several million on fiber.
said by Cod :Uverse using the VDSL standard is providing, right now, 70-100mps into peoples homes, albeit not an open pipe. AT&T can hypothetically 'flip the switch' if it wants to offer faster downloads in the future. But they're not are they? Doing such a thing would require new hardware and updates in their facilities to do such a thing. So no they can't just 'flip the switch'. Oh and DOCSIS 3.0 is capable of 160Mbps down and 120Mbps up*. I still think it will beat U-Verse. Now, had AT&T developed a plan such as Verizon's FiOS my opinion on U-Verse would be completely different. FiOS currently offers 622Mbps down and 155Mbps upstream speeds, with that bandwidth divvied up among up to 32 homes.* Cable in Verizon areas will suffer as a result.
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Covington, LA | Re: What a joke 'Doing such a thing would require new hardware and updates in their facilities to do such a thing.'
Which new hardware specifically? | |
| | bogey780
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Covington, LA | 'As stated before, the way AT&T is handling U-Verse, it's nothing more than a cable system'
Uhhhh... no. Not in the least. It's no more a "cable system" than ISDN is a microwave relay. | |
| joutlaw
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| Coming to Jackson, MS too Our local paper had a story that the U-Verse agreement was just signed by our mayor.
See this story... »www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.···CAROUSEL
I'm thrilled by this news, mainly because Comcast is the only video provider for me. I live in a heavily pine tree populated area. I could try to shoot through the trees for Dish or DirecTV, but would probably lose LOS with moderate winds.
My comcast bill is 125$ a month for Digital Cable and Internet. It appears that with U-Verse I could have the U400 package with all of the premiums and the elite internet tier for 129$. It's a no brainer.
We have had nothing, but issues with Comcast since they took over Time Warner in our area. I had signal issues in my old home that they attributed the cause was too many apartments in the area. | |
| NightHawke
join:2002-02-28
Rockport, TX
| St. Louis, watch out! They are going to have loads of fun there. That's Old City, with old, unmapped pipes, ancient sidewalks that were overlaid with newer ones, bedrock that'll break the teeth on their horizontal drills. They'll have better luck with the newer 'burbs on out. | |
| | rradina
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| Re: St. Louis, watch out! St. Louis city is very old but only about 325,000 people live there now -- down from its pinnacle of ~900,000 in the 1950s. Most of the population left for the newer infrastructure of St. Louis county. The city seceded from the county in the 1800s and became it's own city/county. Over a million people inhabit the 100+ municipalities of the county. ~300,000 people live in St. Charles county and almost as many in Jefferson County. There's also a million people in three counties on the east side of the Miss. river in Illinois.
Since the city of St. Louis only comprises about 10% of the metropolitan population, AT&T would be smart to work on the 'burbs first unless the city provides some special tax incentives. It's doubtful that they can afford such a program. They already have a 1% income tax on anyone that works in the city. That's right, it doesn't matter if you don't live there or you don't get to vote there. You get to pay for working there. | |
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| Still not ready for Prime Time Some of U-Verse is great, but they still don't offer local weather on the 8s, no public access channels. The web remote programming does not work for a number of customers in Houston,the sales persons lied about being able to watch DVR recorded programs from other TV sets. | |
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U-Verse Hits BellSouth Territory
