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Small correction to above article, currently 100Mbps is max symmetrical residential speed I have signed up for over Utopia FTTH w/XMission...
Supposedly the 1Gbps 'Google-Fiber' type speed is avail now if your pockets are deep enough to afford the $300/month for it. My pockets being on the light side, I will be sticking with the 100/100 plan for now at $45/month!  | |
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Austin, TX | Re: Utopia FTTH Queue the you'll-blow-through-your-1TB-cap-in-X-minutes folks in 3... 2... 1...
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join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT | Re: Utopia FTTH said by Cabal:Queue the you'll-blow-through-your-1TB-cap-in-X-minutes folks in 3... 2... 1...
Keep in mind the 1TB is a 'soft' cap that I haven't been called on yet and no way could they hope to enforce a 1TB cap for 1Gbps service!  | |
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| | | | | Re: Utopia FTTH said by somms:. . . no way could they hope to enforce a 1TB cap for 1Gbps service!
Why not? | |
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join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT | Re: Utopia FTTH said by Rangersfan :said by somms:. . . no way could they hope to enforce a 1TB cap for 1Gbps service!
Why not? Well, if they were pricks about it I would just move to another one of the ISPs with Utopia like Veracity since there is no contract with this FTTH service! | |
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Springfield, MO | Re: Utopia FTTH amazing what competition will do isnt it | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Utopia FTTH Well yeah, in theory it COULD. I'm just saying I don't know how I'd go about doing that.
As is I use my internet a ton, and download loads of high def movies, and average 150-200GB/month. | |
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| | | | | | | said by Wilsdom:10Mbps can pull more than 4TB per month...
Doing what? | |
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join:2006-08-30
HarperLand | OH I can, and routinely do. | |
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| | | | | said by somms:said by Cabal:Queue the you'll-blow-through-your-1TB-cap-in-X-minutes folks in 3... 2... 1...
Keep in mind the 1TB is a 'soft' cap that I haven't been called on yet and no way could they hope to enforce a 1TB cap for 1Gbps service! Sheesh, man!
Go outside or get a life!!
Anyone that can afford this and is willing to pay it, is flat out a pickle and has no sense, or life, what so ever, IMO!
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| | | | Don't for get the "I wish they would come to my town" posts too..
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| | | | | Re: Utopia FTTH Yeah, what a bunch of freaks. It's crazy to think that people would want a better product than they already have. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Utopia FTTH No, it's crazy that every time we see one of these stories someone posts the same two or three exact comments. It's like those dorks who live to post "FIRST !" every time some game developer makes a post.
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| | | | | | | Re: Utopia FTTH That is pretty much the entire point of the story.
Your surprised people want 1 Gbit/s on an internet tech site? | |
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Sandy, UT | said by battleop:Don't for get the "I wish they would come to my town" posts too..
EDIT: Oops.. Too late.
And whats wrong with wanting a cheap service like this with great speeds? Also like I said the ONLY reason it isn't every where is because of the bribes our state people took to look the other way
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| | | | | | Re: Utopia FTTH Nothing wrong with wanting it but every time there is a story about fiber there are always posts by people who think they are original and funny.
The posts about how fast you can run through your cap and the post about how you wish X company would come to their home. Neither is funny or whitty anymore. Maybe we should find these people a dead horse to beat.
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| | | | | | | Re: Utopia FTTH said by battleop:The posts about how fast you can run through your cap ... Maybe we should find these people a dead horse to beat.
I disagree.
The absurdity of many of these caps needs to be elaborated on at every chance.
If a company is going to advertise extreme "bandwidth" then they should deliver that product in good faith. Not some gotcha. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Utopia FTTH "The absurdity of many of these caps needs to be elaborated on at every chance."
Yea, to a bunch of people who already know that caps suck. If you keep bitching on these forums about caps it's going to do absolutely squat...
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Utopia FTTH We have new guests reading these forums everyday. I think you are not aware of the volume this site does.
Which interestingly enough is why it is full of telco shills. | |
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join:2002-01-17
Sandy, UT | Wish I could get this service in my area! Stupid lawmakers taking bribes from Qwest and Comcast cost a lot of people the ability to have great service for a very reasonable price!
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| | | | Re: Utopia FTTH stop expecting the Gov't to spend taxer payer money and actually find other ways to build. | |
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| | | | | Re: Utopia FTTH We waste trillions of dollars in the middle east and your worried about community broadband? | |
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Santa Monica, CA | Re: Utopia FTTH said by DataRiker:We waste trillions of dollars in the middle east and your worried about community broadband?
Trillions in the middle east?
We've wasted a bundle over there, but it ain't a trillion.
Citation, please.
I'd gladly support reasonable funding for legal "community broadband" efforts if you could convince Dear Leader to stop spending more than we take in annually. | |
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Rego Park, NY
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| Re: Utopia FTTH »www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf seems to offer a reasonable summary of expenses incurred since 9/11... this and most sources corroborate the widely-accepted fact that we spend HUNDREDS of billions of dollars on our efforts in the Middle East every year, and the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have together formed the longest period of military intervention in US history, far outdoing what we did in Vietnam. Also, this is not to mention the domestic R&D funding that goes into our operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere throughout the world (i.e. DoD projects, DARPA R&D funds, the CIA's covert operations which barely have any congressional oversight (sometimes they actually draw out of the CIA's discretionary budget and therefore are off the record even for congressional staff, let along mere mortals like you and me...) Throw in the drastic increase in funding for the NSA's domestic wiretapping and realtime data analysis programs, and yes, you do in fact have expenses going FAR past the trillion-dollar mark, all aimed directly or indirectly at supporting the wars we are currently fighting (or at least protecting the country from the potential backlash due to out presence in places like Iraq and Afghanistan...)
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We've wasted a bundle over there, but it ain't a trillion.
Citation, please.
I'd gladly support reasonable funding for legal "community broadband" efforts if you could convince Dear Leader to stop spending more than we take in annually.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_···Iraq_War
Estimated cost of middle east intervention since 9/11 is about 4 TRILLION dollars.
DOD's estimate of just IRAQ's direct costs at about 800 Billion and counting. Brown's estimate is over a trillion.
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | Re: Utopia FTTH Nice try.
Afghanistan and Pakistan aren't part of the Middle-East, and your source isn't exactly credible.
But I'll concede that there is certainly room to argue that the figure could be substantially higher than a trillion, depending on how you choose to do the math - and either way, its a ridiculous appropriation, given the cost:benefit analysis.
We should have had an official "war tax", paid by everyone, since 9/11, which would have tempered some of the enthusiasm for intervention. | |
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Do you need to read the Wiki again? | |
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Chesterfield, MO | What kind of backbone? If you are giving each customer 1Gbps service, what kind of backbone connection to the Internet is required? Granted, you can offer it but if few subscribe, no problem. But what if you sell 1Gbps to 1,000 folks? What's typical for a large ISP in terms of over commitment? Do they plan for utilization rates of 10%, 20%, higher, *gasp* lower?
The last time I investigated Charter business fiber for a client (several years ago), I inquired about their capacity for the St. Louis market. I believe they said they have two 10Gbps "drains" on the west side of the river and I think a 3Gpbs drain on the east side of the river. I have no idea how over committed that is because I have no idea about customer counts and average bandwidth/customer. | |
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join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT | Re: What kind of backbone? said by rradina:If you are giving each customer 1Gbps service, what kind of backbone connection to the Internet is required? Granted, you can offer it but if few subscribe, no problem. But what if you sell 1Gbps to 1,000 folks? What's typical for a large ISP in terms of over commitment? Do they plan for utilization rates of 10%, 20%, higher, *gasp* lower?
The last time I investigated Charter business fiber for a client (several years ago), I inquired about their capacity for the St. Louis market. I believe they said they have two 10Gbps "drains" on the west side of the river and I think a 3Gpbs drain on the east side of the river. I have no idea how over committed that is because I have no idea about customer counts and average bandwidth/customer.
»stats.xmission.com/routers/public/
XMission allows public access to their bandwidth statistics...
I can't comment on Veracity's capacity or the several other ISPs that also offer service over Utopia's fiber... | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: What kind of backbone? That is really interesting information. Thanks a ton for posting! I wish I had access to more information like this! (Not that I need it, I'm just curious.) | |
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Ogden, UT | Re: Cox? Try Comcast. Agree, Cox in down south in Arizona, not Utah. And My 100Mb Comcast rocks, and Utopia in Brigham sux, A person I work with pays for 18Mb x 18Mb and only gets 15Mb and 6 Mb up..... On fiber. I told them to call and have someone look at it cause that was right. They said they have been out alot and nothing can be done. | |
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Santa Clara, CA | Mean while in Silicon Valley Meanwhile in Silicon Valley - home of fthe big CISCO, JUNIPER, Yahoo, Google, Apple, Facebook and other Optical / Router/Datacom big wig
the best band width from an ISP is a measly 12Mbits !!!
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|  Meanwhile on AT&T FTTH, the highest speed is 18/1.5Mbps
Yes, the 24/3 package is only provided to FTTN (single pair VDSL2) customers, both FTTH (fibre-to-the-home) and FTTN-BP (bonded VDSL2) are artificially limited to 18/1.5, even though obviously both FTTH and FTTN-BP are capable of speeds much higher than FTTN!
»AT&T U-verse FTTP speeds, why do they limit fibre to 18/1.5?
»yet no new CPE needed for FTTU upgrades, yet none are here
Anyhow. High respect to Utopia and Utah residents and voters, and congrats with 1Gbps! | |
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Bountiful, UT | Missed it by 2 miles I'm one city south of one of the Utopia cities, two miles from the city limit, and stuck with Comcast.  People think I'm silly for considering moving two miles north just for Utopia... | |
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Bountiful, UT Reviews:
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| Re: Missed it by 2 miles Oh so wish my city would have gone for it. There are two problems with pursuading them to now: 1) I don't believe Utopia is taking on new cities - it still has "obligations" to the cities who have been paying in all along; and 2) The city I live in is well managed, but by fuddy duddies who are not forward thinkers. /sigh | |
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Salt Lake City, UT | Re: Missed it by 2 miles said by Gork:Oh so wish my city would have gone for it. There are two problems with pursuading them to now: 1) I don't believe Utopia is taking on new cities - it still has "obligations" to the cities who have been paying in all along; and 2) The city I live in is well managed, but by fuddy duddies who are not forward thinkers. /sigh
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Bountiful, UT | Re: Missed it by 2 miles While Bountiful isn't a member of Utopia, perhaps one day in the distant future... | |
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