U.S. Considers Outlawing 'Unauthorized Information Exchanges'International plan at centerpiece of massive new anti-piracy push 12:30PM Friday May 23 2008 by Karl Bodetags: legal · Fileswapping · privacy · world · OdditiesSlashdot points to a freshly posted Wikileaks document that states the United States is considering a "Pirate Bay Killer" international trade agreement that would "criminalize the non-profit facilitation of unauthorized information exchange on the internet." This would obviously take aim at The Pirate Bay and other P2P websites, but it potentially could also impact whistle-blower sites like Wikileaks, or networks like TOR. From the Wikileaks synopsis of the full document (pdf): If adopted, the treaty would impose a strong, top-down enforcement regime imposing new cooperation requirements upon Internet service providers, including perfunctory disclosure of customer information, as well as measures restricting the use of online privacy tools." Laments one Slashdot reader in their comment section: Too late. Pass all the laws you like, crack down with all the jackbooted thuggery you can muster. Suspend habeas corpus, declare the 4th amendment null and void, force the royal family to submit to regular body cavity searches, install a camera on every corner, give police orders to use deadly force against downloaders...none of it will make any difference. You can't turn back the clock. As I just got done saying yesterday, we're entering a brave new era of anti-piracy enforcement, with ISPs playing the starring role. Comcast plans to begin enforcing DMCA letters by terminating user accounts, AT&T is working on piracy filters, the entertainment industry wants piracy filters in network hardware or anti-virus tools, while an international coalition focuses on criminalizing all "unauthorized information exchanges." Is this a Phillip K Dick novel?
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join:2007-08-19 | Um Yeah So essentially, these buffoons want to lock down the Internet, censoring/blocking everything that they specifically do not approve of. We've seen this in action already. It's called China. | |
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| Re: Um Yeah said by SilverSurfer  :So essentially, these buffoons want to lock down the Internet, censoring/blocking everything that they specifically do not approve of. We've seen this in action already. It's called China. This is the most ignorant post I have seen this week. What has China to do with this? This thread has something to do with anti-piracy, and if you look hard enough, you can possible find any piece of copyrighted material through Baidu.com
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| Re: Um Yeah said by jrsmooth : What has China to do with this? Gee, I dunno...wanting to censor everything that is not specifically approved by government mandate? Does that ring any bells for you? I'm guessing not. Move along nothing for you to see here. | |
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| Re: Um Yeah Not for nothing I think you are taking his comment personal and there is no need for it.
He is comparing this to "The Great Firewall of China" where the government blocks any site they do not strictly approve.
Think white lists on a country wide scale. Here is the link for you to sample the goods that they offer through the firewall. »www.greatfirewallofchina.org/
Stop thinking every one is against china and grow up some , learn to try and comprehend posts before you attack.
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| said by jrsmooth :said by SilverSurfer :said by jrsmooth :[...] you are just another ignorant China-hater who can't contribute anything anyway... Did you come up with that one all by yourself, sweetie? I think it's time for you to go to bed now. It's way past your bedtime and the adults need to talk. Two most ******* posts from the same ***** in a row within the same thread, amazing! **** ***! And your post is any better?  | |
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| Jrsmooth, you are taking this personally, I wonder why. It does have to do with the government blocking certain content it does not see fit for the public. Thats it! And it does remind ME of the suppressive ways of the Chinese government. Its no secret that China is the most internet censored country in the world. | |
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| Re: Um Yeah said by JamesPC :Its no secret that China is the most internet censored country in the world. Soon to be #2 behind the USA...? | |
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| said by jrsmooth :said by SilverSurfer :So essentially, these buffoons want to lock down the Internet, censoring/blocking everything that they specifically do not approve of. We've seen this in action already. It's called China. This is the most ignorant post I have seen this week. What has China to do with this? This thread has something to do with anti-piracy, and if you look hard enough, you can possible find any piece of copyrighted material through Baidu.com The fact that they are trying to censor the entire world for the most part is what anything has to do with this. | |
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| said by jrsmooth :said by SilverSurfer :So essentially, these buffoons want to lock down the Internet, censoring/blocking everything that they specifically do not approve of. We've seen this in action already. It's called China. This is the most ignorant post I have seen this week. What has China to do with this? This thread has something to do with anti-piracy, and if you look hard enough, you can possible find any piece of copyrighted material through Baidu.com It has to do with those dumb f*cks that are elected to "serve" us, the American people, in that city full of shitheads that you reside in.
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| Re: Um Yeah said by Tzale :said by jrsmooth :said by SilverSurfer :So essentially, these buffoons want to lock down the Internet, censoring/blocking everything that they specifically do not approve of. We've seen this in action already. It's called China. This is the most ignorant post I have seen this week. What has China to do with this? This thread has something to do with anti-piracy, and if you look hard enough, you can possible find any piece of copyrighted material through Baidu.com It has to do with those dumb f*cks that are elected to "serve" us, the American people, in that city full of shitheads that you reside in. -Tzale Proud Conservative huh? Supports Ron Who? Sorry man, still the third most ignorant post I have read this week, but at least yours has something to do with policy making though.
Whatever you say or think my friend, life is good in Washington DC, even though there are still people making 6-figure still living paycheck to paycheck.
By the way, best wishes with Ron Who.
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| Re: Um Yeah said by jrsmooth :Proud Conservative huh? Supports Ron Who? Sorry man, still the third most ignorant post I have read this week, but at least yours has something to do with policy making though. Whatever you say or think my friend, life is good in Washington DC, even though there are still people making 6-figure still living paycheck to paycheck. By the way, best wishes with Ron Who. Here is the difference. Scumbags write off people with new ideas. Revolutionaries can cut through the political bullshit and make change for the better. Have fun drinking your Kool Aid. If you believe that the U.S. should have laws outlawing these types of sites, you SERIOUSLY lack an understanding of the U.S. Constitution... And quite frankly, it is scary even having you anywhere near D.C. Don't tell me about how expensive it is to live in D.C... If you make $100-150k in parts of New Jersey, you're just "middle class," IMHO... In other parts of this country, you'd be rich.
And you really don't phase me with your Ron Who joke... Like I give a shit, I hear it all day. Ron Paul is still the #1 candidate among U.S. military officers and the record holder for donations in the Republican party. He won't win the White House, but our voice is being heard.
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| The so-called "war on druge" went similarly. It began as a combination of concern about health effects of unregulated opiates, moralism, hysteria, and protecting existing industries from competition with hemp. The prohibition then failed to make much difference in drug use, but produced such a pernicious set of side effects that it became entrenched.
So many important actors have profited so much that the "drug war" is now self-perpetuating and no longer has much connection with the phony excuses about health effects or protecting children:
* boom for police departments' funding
* later a big boost for the private prison industry
* big profits for dealers
* means for governments to make big money covertly
* excuse for oppressive/fascist/totalitarian laws - "no knock" and military-style raids, snooping into every detail of people's lives, etc.
Similarly, the copyright craze began with protectionism for one industry, and soon morphed into extremist laws and a pretext for censorship, monitoring of private communications, and remote control of other people's computers (DRM).
Ever since the internet came along, governments have been seeking a way to shut down the free flow of information that it enables. When people have easy, immediate access to information from all over the world, propaganda becomes less effective and having a few corporations controlling the mainstream media is no longer sufficient to manufacture acquiescence to policies.
Hollywood, of course, is the main propaganda arm of the US government - keeping Americans reliably lulled into complacency. The entertainment companies are also the means of US cultural imperialism abroad. For both these reasons, as well as business owners having effective control of government, these companies have to be kept profitable. Put this together with the quest for an excuse to clamp down on internet freedom, and copyright emerges as the perfect pretext and weapon against freedom of communication. | |
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| said by SilverSurfer :It's called China. No, its called the NWO. Of course the big bugaboo will be what constitutes "illegal information". In China that would be discussion of "Democracy" or "Christianity" in Saudi Arabia. It would be funny if the United States joins this proposed treaty and finds itself having to crack down on Church web sites and pro-democracy discussion because it violates the treaty!
Time to put my Aluminum foil hat back on!
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| Re: Um Yeah said by n2jtx :It would be funny if the United States joins this proposed treaty and finds itself having to crack down on Church web sites and pro-democracy discussion because it violates the treaty! The U.S. already has laws on copyright protection. You sound like one of the people that has been ignoring them. | |
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| It's justifiable to pirate many things...The interests who want us in jail for this have been able to pay government to not only extend copyright terms to ridiculous lengths, but also apply these extensions retroactively.
Walt ain't making a dime of Mickey and if Mickey were to fall under the copyright laws that existence when he was invented, he would be in the public domain. | |
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Eventually we're just going to tax it across the board | |
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| Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this said by TK Junk Mail :[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. | |
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| Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this said by SilverSurfer :said by TK Junk Mail :[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman.
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| Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this said by TK Junk Mail :Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman. Wow. Attempting to discuss anything with you is like talking to a brick wall. You are unable to grasp even the fundamental concepts the U.S. was founded upon. | |
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Belvidere, NJ | Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this Shills never seem to shill popular and moderate positions. Just positions that will make huge corporations richer and creative ways to turn citizens into criminals.
Funny how that works. I am sure it is simply a coincidence. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman. That's funny, I kind of thought it had something to do with Taxation without Representation, the proclamation that restricted settlements west of the Appalachian Mountains, the quartering of troops in private residencies, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Commercial interests definitely played a part but your view of history is so one-sided that I'm wondering if you are some sort of anti-Karl Marx and would release pure energy if combined with him? | |
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| Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this said by Crookshanks :Commercial interests definitely played a part but your view of history is so one-sided that I'm wondering if you are some sort of anti-Karl Marx and would release pure energy if combined with him? Now THAT is funny.
Tk is definitely the cooler anti-matter though. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman. I don't know if your view is one of being really screwed up because you're part of the problem this country is in right now or you just wish you were part of it.
To try to say that the "working slob", or imply it, has little relevance in this countries history and laws and government were formed to protect the ever so special in your view business community is just wrong and false and stupid.
This country has been great at convincing the average citizen in the last 10 years that all government help has to go to businesses first and individuals last and all it has proved is that it benefits the minority of citizens and not the majority that fall into your "working slob" category.
Screw the idea and the people that promote advancing themselves while it is detrimental to others. That is not what this country is about even if the current atmosphere make it seem so and makes it seem acceptable. | |
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Flower Mound, TX | When was the last time you saw the government enforcing the will of the (normal)people? | |
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| said by SilverSurfer :said by TK Junk Mail :[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. ...at the taxpayer's expense, no less. | |
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| said by SilverSurfer :Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. Ironically enough the Common Law legal system was heavily influenced by the Magna Carta -- a document that specifically restricted the powers of the King (and by association the rich land/business owners that put him in power) over his subjects.
I guess TK missed that part of history class. | |
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Corporations 'own' America through lobbiests, and have laws tailored to their needs.
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| Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this said by Cuchulainn :said by SilverSurfer :said by TK Junk Mail :[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. Me too. I must have missed ConLaw that day... If you read our friend's other "lawyer" posts, you'll see he's very hostile towards the legal profession, while at the same time holding forth on points of law that would be obvious to a fourth-grader (i.e., Congress makes the laws and the courts interpret them, etc.). Careful, you might get your posts deleted. | |
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| said by SilverSurfer :said by TK Junk Mail :[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., Sorry, but that doesn't necessarily make you less of a *****. LOL.
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| Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this said by jrsmooth :said by SilverSurfer :said by TK Junk Mail :[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., Sorry, but that doesn't necessarily make you less of a *****. LOL. As opposed to you? | |
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| Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this said by digitalfreak :As opposed to you? Sorry but that does indeed make me less, less of a *****. How about YOU?
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North Babylon, NY | Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this No need to censor yourself. | |
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| Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this said by Kearnstd :im so calling the feds if this bill gets through, if i have someone selling my browsing information without my permission then its unauthorized information transfer! If only. This is only for protecting corporate interests, not yours. Besides, don't you know that that's so they can give you "enhanced" service? | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :With businesses not going to stand for their products to be stolen without being paid for, steps like this were inevitable. All governments ultimately will bend to the needs of businesses to protect their rights to their products and services. In fact, governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason.
The last part is partly true in a general sense - one of the main functions of government is protecting property rights.
Porperty rights themselves, however, do not always rule over all other considerations. In the long run, they tend to yield to more important human values. As recently as 19th century England, the law would sentence even a child to be killed or imprisoned for life for stealing even a few pence. Society later developed morally to the point where mercy and proportionality came into the picture, and now theft is treated more rationally.
Similarly, prior to the civil war in USA, laws designed to prop up slavery became increasingly severe. A defender of that "peculiar institution" might well have said "With businesses not going to stand for their products to be stolen without being paid for, steps like this were inevitable" om defense of slavery. Yet instead of continuing to greater extremes, we finally recognized that slavery itself had to be moderated instead. Now it's done by the gentler means of debt and wage system rather than chains, whips and person-auctions.
Similarly, in the long run we will have to moderate and humanize copyright instead of destroying other fundamental social values (freedom of communication, in this case) in order to uphold the current extremist version of copyright. | |
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| Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this said by swhx7 :Porperty rights themselves, however, do not always rule over all other considerations. In the long run, they tend to yield to more important human values. Cough cough ***property rights*** cough *** Kelo decision *** cough cough *** eminent domain *** cough cough wheeze.....
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| said by TK Junk Mail :In fact, governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Care to cite where this fact is or are you just stating it as fact when it is your own opinion.
Someone needs to read the Declaration of Independence, especially the indictments the 13 colonies made against King George the III.
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