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TK Junk Mail
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| Re: Excuse me? Intellectual Property is a significant part of the US economy. To not enforce IP laws can have a negative effect on the whole economy. So, as you defend IP crimes, keep that in mind as you stand in the unemployment line.
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dadkins
Living on a Blu Planet
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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| Piracy.
First off, I have never seen any GEEK or P2P/BT user rape then use a Cutlass to kill several people and then TAKE any software/movies/music - not pirates.
Second, no theft is involved - it's copying.
At best, it is Copyright Infringement - not theft... no matter what the Music & Movie Overlords have told you.
Wait until YOU get hosed because of the policing actions make a mistake and come after you.
Now, as for the warrantless wiretapping... BULLSHIT!
What if one of your enemies rat you out and they start tapping the shit out of your phone and internet?
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ureihcim
Freshly made
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Miami, FL
| Re: Excuse me? In his defense, just because it's a copy does not mean it does not cause any damage. This prevents the actual sale of the product. I will agree it is not stealing by technical terms but the effects are still the same.
Also think about it for a second, how many times has projects and even those involved in the military been pushed into the private sector? Plenty, so what makes you think the organization in charge of these warrantless wiretaps would be placed?
How about electronic voting, I find it BS that a device with just a few questions that its suppose to archive something somehow still fails. Who the hell is coding these machines? You got it private sector freaking BS. The BBR polls you put in threads is more stable and operates correctly than what a voting machine will do.
Oh software problems? Any programmer here can tell you that's some BS, even if all the information is in cypher text. I can't even trust the government to properly make a can opener, it's just a piece of metal cut and bent into a certain shape, but somehow they will manage to screw it up.
Also the basic IP laws have already been founded, no more laws are needed, what the private sector needs to do is find a secure method of distribution of their own content and seize all other forms of distribution. How are you stopping piracy if you still sell the unencrypted CD at FYE or Amazon.
NS bob, why you think there are like 120 used copies on sale on Amazon of just one CD?
If data is copied, then the laws are copied over as well no matter in what form that copy is where it be digital, analog, written on a mac donalds napkin, etc. No need for new laws because the current laws apply.
Tell the DOJ to keep their nose out of it, and lower the salary of congressman which somehow they don't want to approve a 2.5% increase for DoD personnel, but they get a raise whenever they wish. We could save a few million and discourage trash entering the house and get some actual people with some heart in there and do some good. | |
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Danny
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| Re: Excuse me? In his defense, just because it's a copy does not mean it does not cause any damage. This prevents the actual sale of the product. I will agree it is not stealing by technical terms but the effects are still the same. However, just because someone pirates a movie, song, or piece of software, this doesn't mean that had they not pirated it, that they would've purchased it. | |
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ureihcim
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Miami, FL
| Re: Excuse me? Hey it's your responsibility for the copy of that data you bought, if you scratched it all up and left the disc on top of the DVD player and now it won't play that's your own fault. The copy you paid for is damage, that does not mean or it gives you the right to go and download someone else's copy and make it your own. This is why we backup data.
This is why we have hard copies of software on CD, for us to use. If the software is protected by a form of serial it does not matter if it's pirated or not. Hell it would save Microsoft billions by distributing Windows over a distributed content system like Bittorrent. The problem though is that the software you download was not granted permission to be distributed in that form or fashion. It also was not granted for you to obtain a license of that software either. So when it applies to software that requires a key, you technically stole a specific users key. For music and movies, the right to distribute that content online is simply not your own. Nobody said you can't take your DVD and play it on your friends 80in LCD.
When you buy music and movies you have the right to own it, and use it for your own personal use, but you do not have a license or the privilege to distribute it. Just because you can does not make it a right.
If those things where in place and worked as they should have the need for DRM is not there, but for every copy out there, it's another 9.99 that the company won't see. This is why the most money now comes from live tours and not CD sales.
The music industry does not need to bend over to your demands, nor do you to bend out to them. If you disagree with their practices ignore their products.
We are in a digital era where you don't need a record label to publish, make, and sell your music. Stop beating the dead horse already. | |
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ureihcim
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Miami, FL
| Re: Excuse me? If they are making it impossible then throw that BS to the garbage. Dadkins, I don't use BS that does not allow me to do what I wish, and if I do it's because it's tolerable. If I cannot backup the content I purchased, then they can kiss my arse.
Just take care of it, that's all I can say, you have insurance companies who will protect your toilet paper for 50 cents a month these days, it wouldn't surprise me if they would protect your BD+ equipment and CD's.
My position is neutral when it comes to piracy because I worked in the industry and I can also understand it as a consumer. But you know me already and when it comes to crap I don't like I either return it, and if that fails it becomes a projectile through Sony Pictures HQ's window. One way or the other I still win because I am the customer because I have the option of saying yes or no to the content that is provided to me. It's my money and I will use it wisely.
There are too many things to do in life than BS about BD+ or AACS, go sky diving or snow boarding once and a while. It's a lot more entertaining that sitting your butt on the computer breaking the crypto for a BD+ to get it to play on VLC.
If it's really worth it the BS content they give you, then by all means continue. But I am not bending over to anyone just so I can get my fix of House or the latest episode of Friends.
Music is very important to me and it's also part of my lifestyle, but again I am always on the hunt for new and better tunes. Most of the stuff that's actually good out there is not provided by the record labels. All that candy rap BS, is not really rap. The underground content is the real deal, which more than 99% of the time is free or published on some website for the world to hear. | |
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dadkins
Living on a Blu Planet
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Hercules, CA
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| Re: Excuse me? Go skydiving? Snowboarding?
Uhm... wish I could! Alas, I cannot.
I get to sit here, and even that is somewhat of an adventure in pain.
I got Blu-ray because I wanted better than DVD could offer me.
Plus, as soon as blank media comes down a bit more, 25-50GB of backed up data per disc will be a hell of a perk, no? 
BTW, breaking encryption on a DVD is a no-no.
Yeah, we can do it fairly easy these days... but still.
Hell! I can copy Sony DVDs, on a Sony laptop, with Sony software, and burn it to a Sony blank!
What irony? 
Take care friend!
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
| Re: Excuse me? And then you can have fun trying to rebuild that laptop after you discover there rootkit that was intentionally installed.
There are so many valid points here. Most people wouldn't be buying the crap that they're downloading.....I mean really; Metallica??? Pffft.
On the other hand piracy IS theft of property. There is a financial loss here. So for all of you that pee and moan about the tactics of the RIAA, just don't listen or support thier players in any way shape or form. Theres plenty of decent music out there in all genres for people that want to do business with non-RIAA affiliated musicians.
As far as leading to terrorism.....maybe they should take a long hard look at whos downloading John Mayer...I'd be all for that!
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Noah Vail
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| Beat your Snake and Salve it too. Correct me if I'm wrong;
When I buy a music CD, I am purchasing 2 things.
I am buying the use of those pieces of music.
I am also buying the media and packaging they're embedded in.
Good so far?
If the Music industry were as concerned with equanimity and propriety as they claim, then if I have scratched a CD, I should be able to return the damaged item and receive a replacement after paying a token media charge, since I have already purchase fair use.
Fair Use of IP is works both ways. When I have purchased mine, to charge me a second time for that same privilege is dishonest. Just as it would be to charge me twice for painting my house once.
Another reason why I defend and encourage what is termed music piracy, as a form of civil disobedience. I will continue to do so until the RIAA executives are in prison and the entity disbanded.
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Steve
SAS-70 is extortion
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Tustin, CA
| said by Danny :
However, just because someone pirates a movie, song, or piece of software, this doesn't mean that had they not pirated it, that they would've purchased it. Everybody agrees on this point.
But the legal standard is that the copy "satisfy the taste for the original", which means that even if you would not buy a copy, you wanted it it enough to steal it. Then it's stealing.
ok, so it's copyright infringement and not theft. bfd | |
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Encino, CA
| Re: Excuse me? said by Steve :But the legal standard is that the copy "satisfy the taste for the original", which means that even if you would not buy a copy, you wanted it it enough to steal it. Then it's stealing. ok, so it's copyright infringement and not theft. bfd It is a BFD. Crimes have labels for a reason. If I jaywalk and get brought up on charges for assault, that's a pretty BFD. Call it what you want, but when it comes to legal matters, having the appropriate label for an action is *very* important.
I mean, put it this way...PR for broadcasters call my TiVo-ing their shows & fast-forwarding through commercials "stealing". Does it make it such? Hell no. | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| said by ureihcim :Tell the DOJ to keep their nose out of it, and lower the salary of congressman which somehow they don't want to approve a 2.5% increase for DoD personnel, but they get a raise whenever they wish. I think it is a conflict of interest to allow congress-critters to vote THEMSELVES a pay raise. All they should be allowed to do is raise the salary of whoever is elected to fill their position after the next election for that position. IOW: To vote themselves a raise, they must first get reelected (no lame duck votes and a Senator must wait to get reelected to get a pending raise not just for a new Congress to get seated since 2/3s of them still have a Congress or two to serve in before needing to run for office again). | |
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kadar
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| Re: Excuse me? said by RARPSL :I think it is a conflict of interest to allow congress-critters to vote THEMSELVES a pay raise. All they should be allowed to do is raise the salary of whoever is elected to fill their position after the next election for that position. IOW: To vote themselves a raise, they must first get reelected (no lame duck votes and a Senator must wait to get reelected to get a pending raise not just for a new Congress to get seated since 2/3s of them still have a Congress or two to serve in before needing to run for office again). And take their share of the national debt with them when they leave office.
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join:2004-01-17
Denver, CO
| This has already been done. Check out the latest amendment to the Constitution (#27).
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-sev···titution
It's not as good as it could be though. They can still vote for a "cost of living" increase and 99% of the Reps have voted for this every year... | |
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Hudson, FL | Great post K&R!!!! | |
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major marco
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| said by TK Junk Mail :Intellectual Property is a significant part of the US economy. To not enforce IP laws can have a negative effect on the whole economy. So, as you defend IP crimes, keep that in mind as you stand in the unemployment line. So is the housing sector and stocks. Tell you what - let's just wholesale surveille without and kind of judicial oversight whatsoever all calls, email, snail mail, bank accounts, medical, etc. because not doing so has the potential to negatively affect the U.S. economy. Oh wait. The telcos already provide much of that data to the NSA and what they don't pick up in that capacity, the USA/Patriot/Military Commissions Act and FISA does. So we're all safe & snuggly in this country. Now why isn't the Dow at 30k? Right. Because we haven't secured the piracy sector. Well it's a good thing AG Mukasey came along. Whatever would we do without patriots like him?
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join:2002-04-10
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March 30th, @12:48PM
| Sir, I must correct you.
Discussing both counterfeiting and general piracy, he said that failure to protect our pockets from such crimes could lead to problems with our large house and car payments."
You forgot to include the huge PAYOFFS and Moneys received from lobbyists for supporting said issues tooth and nail like a puppet. | |
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Illiterate
@verizon.net
| said by Skeedatl
Has anyone in this Administration actually READ the Bill of Rights?
[/BQUOTE :The real question should be. Can they even READ? | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Excuse me? said by Illiterate :
The real question should be. Can they even READ? "The people elected me to to Lead! Not to Read!" | |
| | Shoreline
Your Freedom Fries Are Stale
join:2003-09-29
Santa Clara, CA
| said by Skeedatl : quote:
The government shouldn't need a warrant when somebody picks up a phone in Iraq and calls the United States
The person in the United States is still under the protection of the Constitution of the United States you dumbass. Has anyone in this Administration actually READ the Bill of Rights? I know it's a rhetorical question, but..
No. They have not.
What is this administration of Bush and Dick if it isn't scaring people into giving up their rights? Completely limp. | |
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join:2004-01-04
Houston, TX
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| And how would they do that if someone subscribes to one on European VOIP and call elsewhere using it?
What if my VOIP company is based in let say Germany. And I call my friend in Russia and talk about different bs. I think wiretapping in this situation would be very illegal!
But if this Administration wants to listen,no problem,I can always invite them to join the party using 3-way calling, unless... they don't like 3-somes. LOL | |
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| Re: Excuse me? said by Zoly :And how would they do that if someone subscribes to one on European VOIP and call elsewhere using it? What if my VOIP company is based in let say Germany. And I call my friend in Russia and talk about different bs. I think wiretapping in this situation would be very illegal! But if this Administration wants to listen,no problem,I can always invite them to join the party using 3-way calling, unless... they don't like 3-somes. LOL From my understanding of watching the news and all the situations our government folks are getting into , a 3 way sounds like they would enjoy it.
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Nancy, KY | I can't help it this time! Did you know that scratching your butt also leads to terrorism? | |
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Skeedatl
Go Team USA
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Excuse me? My ass has been determined to be a WMD; especially after eating some cold pork & beans straight from the can. | |
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Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog
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Cheyenne, WY
| Re: Excuse me? said by Skeedatl :My ass has been determined to be a WMD; especially after eating some cold pork & beans straight from the can. Good, read my signature below....you are doing good.
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| | | Zoly
join:2004-01-04
Houston, TX | Nope, I did not. My butt is DRM protected. So I assume by scratching it I don't violate any anti-piracy law and in the end it should not lead to any terrorist actions. LOL | |
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GiveMeLiberty
@comcast.net
| said by Skeedatl : The person in the United States is still under the protection of the Constitution of the United States you dumbass. People won't fully understand that concept until some jack-booted government agents come to their door to arrest them for something silly like posting an unpatriotic opinion on a web board. Unfortunately, at that point it will be too late. | |
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dispatcher21
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Walla Walla, WA | Re: Excuse me? As long as there is the 2nd Amendment, it is never to late. | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: Excuse me? If you actually think that you can withstand a mysterious evil authoritarian government with the kind of weaponry that is legally permitted under current interpretation of the second amendment, then... | |
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY
| I don't completely buy that. Not that I'm against gun rights, but that I don't think that a group of gun owners would be able to take on the US Government. If the government was able to get the army involved, then the gun owners would be horribly outgunned. The most they could do is create an insurgency of sorts for awhile. By the time you need to resort to your guns, it's too late. | |
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| Re: Excuse me? said by Jason Levine :I don't completely buy that. Not that I'm against gun rights, but that I don't think that a group of gun owners would be able to take on the US Government. If the government was able to get the army involved, then the gun owners would be horribly outgunned. The most they could do is create an insurgency of sorts for awhile. By the time you need to resort to your guns, it's too late. Completely depends on if you could turn the army to help you, then its a fair fight. If history has shown us anything , and it should have , even organized military can not snuff out guerilla warfare.
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Elf Wizard
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| Please do not waste my tax dollars fighting the "evil p2p piracy", first off spend my money fighting crimes that cause harm, you know things like gang violence and murders.
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mrchris
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North Babylon, NY | Re: Excuse me? Because a nice number of people know the Taylor Troll with his traditional pro-RIAA/MPAA wording in each post, never bothers to reply to others either.
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Gothcha
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| Re: Excuse me? said by mrchris :Because a nice number of people know the Taylor Troll with his traditional pro-RIAA/MPAA wording in each post, never bothers to reply to others either. Ahh.. I get it. | |
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mrchris
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North Babylon, NY | What a complete joke this is! I"m glad Bushy will be gone in January. | |
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aaron8301
I can't get myself to go away.
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| Re: Excuse me? said by mrchris :What a complete joke this is! I"m glad Bushy will be gone in January. Does that mean the AG gets replaced, too? | |
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mrchris
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North Babylon, NY | Re: Excuse me? Let's hope so. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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| said by aaron8301 :Does that mean the AG gets replaced, too? Typically teh AG goes with the administration. If the new administration was politically very similar to the existing administration, then you might see the AG stick around. So if Cheney was running, then maybe, but even then I would doubt it. McCain is significantly different from Bush that he would bring in a different AG. Obama or Clinton definitely would have someone different. | |
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Jason Levine
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| Yes. They just read the newly approved Bill of Rights 2.0. For example, the 4th amendment, which guards against searches without a warrant, now reads:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized, unless the executive branch says they have a good reason.
See? So our rights are still fully protected because the executive branch would never do warrantless wiretapping unless they had a really, really good reason, right?
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