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join:2006-01-31
Lakeland, FL | how is this wrong? Who's to blame? | |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ | Re: how is this wrong? said by blackflag  :Who's to blame? Both sides are. | |
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
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join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL | Access point vendors are to blame. Access points are still on sale that only support 802.11b and WEP. | |
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anomus
@mindspring.com
| Re: how is this wrong? Hek yea there's a market. I have been using cantennas and Linky/DD-wrt wireless access pushing 2 years now at home to anonomously DL movies by the terrabyte. I have all their passwords reset so all my setups stay put and the trouble making riff raff stays off. Nobody complains and nothing ever changes. Booting me is as simple as pushing the reset button and it has only happened twice. But I am surrounded with perpetual open access so it's 2 down and 20 still available. And I haven't even plugged in my converted satilite dish for more distant choices.  I love WiFi and I love being anonomous... | |
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| ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
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| It is only wrong cause this idiot was leeching the connection. Come on this guy had cardboard up in his windows, he was planning on being there for awhile. Why didn't he just go to local hotspot and chill. Maybe now he will invest in a better wifi card/antenna and grab signals from inside his home instead | |
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bjl
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join:2002-05-02
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: how is this wrong? it was the local hot spot... at least for him.  | |
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blackflag
join:2006-01-31
Lakeland, FL | simple. He was in his car downloading pr0n. Probably told his wife over and over again that he was working late or something and he was doing that. He was busted, in more ways than one. | |
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| m8trix
join:2003-12-24
Phoenix, AZ | the guy was probably playing WoW...lol | |
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
| I blame the cops cause they made it a big deal.
From my house with a 24dBi grid and a 500mW amplifier I can pick up no less than 48 different Wifi networks.
Alas I have 10mbit cable thus no use for the 48, but it just goes to show...
This has been legal 'gray area' for uhh like 5 years now, so I would assume at this point any open network might as well be considered free for use.
As a favorite saying goes: I use the isp called 'linksys' - it has great national coverage! | |
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join:2000-10-19
Thunder Bay, ON
| Re: Uhh no one is to blame? RX amplifier? me want LOL
Right now I rely on a 7dB Omni antenna.... the card can TX up to 1W which allows me to hit the faint wifi spots.
But paid hardline cable service when I can get it is the win! Wifi is nice for travelling around, but if I am at a location for at least a few months I get my own subscription to a local ISP. | |
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| MrBentor
join:2003-02-18
Seattle, WA
| He should have gone to the county library... I don't know about there, but here the county says their WiFi reaches in to the parking lot of most of the branches and is available for uses even if the library is closed. Yes, they offer free WiFi 24x7 in the public library parking lot. (This IS in writing in their brochures and web page...) | |
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bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY
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| I was on the road in a sales position and back then the only way for me to get email etc was to freeload of unprotected wireless connections. You would be shocked at the number of these available. Sometimes in shopping centers I could get 3 or 4 unsecured connections from stores that probably had credit card numbers on file. Drive a half a block up any residential street anywhere and find 2 or 3 to choose from.
The average person has no idea about PC security, wireless or otherwise. My son in law leaves his wireless router unsecured so that when his friends are over there is no hassle with them connecting. | |
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| weedahoe
join:2003-09-14
Duluth, GA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| Re: I was on the road in a sales position and Agreed, I blame both parties but more to the access point side because they knew what he was doing and did nothing (assumingly) to secure thier network. Of coarse strange and unknown people will come into your house if you leave your doors and windows open. | |
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Goober
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
·WOW Internet and C..
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| Re: I was on the road in a sales position and said by weedahoe :Agreed, I blame both parties but more to the access point side because they knew what he was doing and did nothing (assumingly) to secure thier network. Of coarse strange and unknown people will come into your house if you leave your doors and windows open. Still doesn't make it legal. | |
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ROCINANTE 2112
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join:1999-06-29
Hartsdale, NY
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| Bad analogy. Why do people keep using it to compare with unsecured access to a network?
Volumes of criminal laws and torts exist for real property and specifically a residence. You cannot enter a residence just because it was unsecured. There is no implied invitation even if it is unsecured. Try blaming the homeowner in front of a judge and observe how he laughs at you while he increases your sentence for stupidity.
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join:2004-06-05
Toronto | Re: I was on the road in a sales position and Is there a law that deals with wireless signal theft for this situation? Or is this a matter of morals. This is an endless debate, just like the morality of download etc. It's not illegal if you don't get caught :P | |
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join:2005-07-09
Prospect, KY | Last I heard - the airwaves are still public domain. broadcasts there are still free to anyone who wants to purchase or make a receiver to pick up signals. Quitcher bitchin. | |
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DataDoc
Nilsson Schmilsson
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join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC
·Suddenlink
| Re: I was on the road in a sales position and said by garyprud :Last I heard - the airwaves are still public domain. broadcasts there are still free to anyone who wants to purchase or make a receiver to pick up signals. Quitcher bitchin. Nonsense. It's not the receiving that is the problem, it's transmitting back and using someone's resources without permission. And it's not the quantity, it's the act.
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Iridium
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join:2003-04-02
Los Angeles, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| said by ROCINANTE 2112 :Bad analogy. Why do people keep using it to compare with unsecured access to a network? Volumes of criminal laws and torts exist for real property and specifically a residence. You cannot enter a residence just because it was unsecured. There is no implied invitation even if it is unsecured. Try blaming the homeowner in front of a judge and observe how he laughs at you while he increases your sentence for stupidity. You are not supposed to enter, but people do it every day. So why not even give people the opportunity to come on in. It would be nice to leave your door open, but stupid to do so. Ignorance of wireless security is not an excuse.
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Cox HSI
| Since when did the law guarantee payment? The way they phrase it, the crime here was the man saving money. I think that's the great thing about Wifi on unlimited internet, it can be shared without costing the owner much. If it's shared without preferential treatment to the data going over it, the person sharing is a common carrier. It becomes a bad thing when the person sharing intended to not share the connection, or share it to only a group of authorized users. Also its trespassing if the freeloader was hanging out on their property to do this. | |
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hhawkman
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join:2001-02-08
Port Hueneme, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| How stupid quote from article:
"West Mercia Police said people with wi-fi should follow security advice given by their internet provider"
They might as well have run some cat-5 cable and a hub out to their curb. If this guy was doing something illegal on the network, the idiots with the unsecured WI-FI should fry for it.
If they were too stupid to minimally secure their network, they shouldn't be allowed to HAVE a wireless network, let alone complain about someone connecting to it.
If a hot woman is dancing naked in front of a huge living room window, and someone calls the cops, Who should get arrested? The people gathered on the public street watching as peeping toms, or the woman herself for lewd public conduct? It's a 2 way street. (no pun intended)
Many ISP's send out "wardriving" teams to find unsecured access into their network and fine/cut off people who violate the "terms and conditions" of their contracts by running an unsecured wi-fi, and sharing their connection to others. These idiots should have their service cut off.
Secondly, the header here refers to 2003 and 2005 incidents. Hardly what I can call "increasingly common" | |
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| axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Re: How stupid How do you differentiate the people who want to share WiFi with their neighbors from the ones who don't? | |
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hhawkman
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join:2001-02-08
Port Hueneme, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: How stupid said by axus :How do you differentiate the people who want to share WiFi with their neighbors from the ones who don't? you don't... it's not the main issue. The main issue was someone being "arrested" for accessing an unsecured WIFI. It's an oxymoron at best. | |
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| donaldk
Premium
join:2000-10-19
Thunder Bay, ON
| said by hhawkman :quote from article: Many ISP's send out "wardriving" teams to find unsecured access into their network and fine/cut off people who violate the "terms and conditions" of their contracts by running an unsecured wi-fi, and sharing their connection to others. These idiots should have their service cut off. Source? of Information? | |
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hhawkman
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join:2001-02-08
Port Hueneme, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: How stupid said by donaldk :said by hhawkman :quote from article: Many ISP's send out "wardriving" teams to find unsecured access into their network and fine/cut off people who violate the "terms and conditions" of their contracts by running an unsecured wi-fi, and sharing their connection to others. These idiots should have their service cut off. Source? of Information? Only the first paragraph was a quote from the article. That's why it was in ... dare I say it .... QUOTES (which your editing failed to QUOTE in your reply (so to speak))
Didn't think I needed to quote other sources... but pretty much that source is HERE. Do a search. | |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| said by hhawkman :If a hot woman is dancing naked in front of a huge living room window, and someone calls the cops, Who should get arrested? The people gathered on the public street watching as peeping toms, or the woman herself for lewd public conduct? It's a 2 way street. (no pun intended) If a woman is dancing naked in front of an open window and you watch from the street, you shouldn't get arrested as she doesn't have any expectation of privacy.
If however, you notice that the door is slightly ajar, you shouldn't take that as an invitation to walk inside the house for a better view.
Getting back to unsecured wireless networks, you might be able to make an argument that receiving an unsecured signal is ok. Once you start transmitting back onto that network, though (for example, a request for a web page), you are illegally intruding onto that person's network.
The only argument I can see holding water would be if the network was named something that implied consent to connect. e.g. "FreeAccess4All" | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| Owners of house are at fault. If you leave your wifi open and complain someone is stealing it, that is filling a false police report and the accused should be able to sue for any hassle they incurred. Sure WEP can be broken easily, but as long as it takes the extra step of being broken it is all you need to make it illegal for someone to use your network. Leaving your network open = inviting people to use it. | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL | Cheap The guy was leeching which also means the guy was to cheap to spend money on his own internet connection. Funny how people can spend $1,000 or more for a computer but can't spend $20-$30 a month for a internet connection. | |
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Dv Jones
join:2004-02-22
San Francisco, CA | Typical Net Lamer Guy must be a total noob if he needs to park near the person's house to use their connection. Lamer should have just got a card with an antenna jack and tested what he could get from his house with a good antenna aimed out the window. | |
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Luwigie
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join:2002-06-06
Edison, NJ
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| Re: Wi-Fi Internet Freeloading Boy am I ever glad I don't live near you, then 
Just because you're not physically plugged in via a hard wire doesn't mean its not theft of service... You're still transferring traffic over a network which you do not pay to access, right?
I think the occasional usage of someone else's connection is fine, but not if you're going to sit outside for extended periods of time with no connection of your own...
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antiphishing
Nigerian 419 Scam Baiter
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join:2004-06-09
Wilkes Barre, PA
| Re: Wi-Fi Internet Freeloading said by Luwigie :Boy am I ever glad I don't live near you, then Just because you're not physically plugged in via a hard wire doesn't mean its not theft of service... You're still transferring traffic over a network which you do not pay to access, right? I think the occasional usage of someone else's connection is fine, but not if you're going to sit outside for extended periods of time with no connection of your own... I be sure to move to Manchester MI in the near future. Just kidding
My neighbors don't have a clue that someone is using their broadband wireless connection without their knowledge.
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| said by antiphishing :If someone is freely transmitting a signal without using a secure network, then the signal is free to be picked up by anyone Let's say, for the moment, that you're free to pick up the signal. You still can't transmit anything back without using network resources in an unauthorized manner. Having an unsecured wireless network doesn't imply granting of permission to use that network just like leaving the door open to my house doesn't mean you can come in and watch TV in my living room.
Now try "using" an unsecured wireless connection without transmitting anything back to the network. | |
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antiphishing
Nigerian 419 Scam Baiter
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join:2004-06-09
Wilkes Barre, PA
| Re: Wi-Fi Internet Freeloading said by Jason Levine :said by antiphishing :If someone is freely transmitting a signal without using a secure network, then the signal is free to be picked up by anyone Let's say, for the moment, that you're free to pick up the signal. You still can't transmit anything back without using network resources in an unauthorized manner. Having an unsecured wireless network doesn't imply granting of permission to use that network just like leaving the door open to my house doesn't mean you can come in and watch TV in my living room. Now try "using" an unsecured wireless connection without transmitting anything back to the network. The only thing that I contribute back, is that I can use the wireless network to either illegally access someones computer or router. I do not do either since, I would not want the cops at my door.
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Wi-Fi Internet Freeloading