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Blaming other industries for your own financial shortcomings
09:02AM Tuesday Jan 29 2008 by Karl
tags: competition · business · content
U2's long time manager Paul McGuinness apparently blames Silicon Valley's "hippie values" for the collapse of the music industry, and wants ISPs and all technology companies to start paying the music industry. McGuinnes argues that ISPs and companies like Google have "built multibillion dollar industries on the back of our content without paying for it." Says McGuinness to the Financial Times:
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"I suggest we shift the focus of moral pressure away from the individual P2P file thief and on to the multibillion dollar industries that benefit from these countless tiny crimes. The ISPs [internet service providers] the telcos [telecoms companies], the device-makers."
Piracy drove broadband adoption for years. Lately we've seen ISPs and their employees complain that the content providers should pay them a little extra for building their business models on the back of their networks. Now the music industry wants ISPs to subsidize their floundering business model.

Mike Masnick over at Techdirt explores the long history of such circles of blame, noting that the oil industry doesn't have to pay the automobile industry, and computer makers don't have to pay software and Internet companies.
You see, these are all separate industries. They may be complementary, but it's up to each one individually to figure out the business models that work. None should be pressured into saving the other from its own missteps.

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hopeflicker
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LOL

That silly, silly man.

rudnicke
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Funny.

LOL!!!!

S_engineer

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Re: Funny.

said by rudnicke See Profile :

LOL!!!!
Somebody drive that man to the hospital, it looks like he's suffering from a stroke!
Its a stupid argument from a someone associated with dead band. Bono, and his manager, should go the way of BPL....into obscurity!

And by the way, bono (named after sonny) should be happy people are downloading their "music", this way nobodies emitting greenhouse gases going to the store in droves for their product!

ieolus
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No no, he has something here...

... the housing market is in the crapper now, so maybe furniture makers should have to pay them. Afterall, if there were no houses, noone would need furniture at all, right?
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cornelius785

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hEy mAn!

don't you think you should pass the pipe around? you know there are other people that want to get baked too...

seriously, what is this guy thinking? has he lost touch with reality? or maybe this is just another example of power (along with money) corrupts all?

Nightshade
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Re: hEy mAn!

More like power (along with money) made him lose touch with reality.

Man, you can't make this stuff up.
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Collapse of the music industry?

That really cracks me up. As far as I can see there has not been a collapse...

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January 29th, @09:33AM

Re: Collapse of the music industry?

said by ptrowski See Profile :

That really cracks me up. As far as I can see there has not been a collapse...
Excellent point. The music industry has had a bad run recently, but it has to be someone else's fault right? It's not because the music being produced today sucks, right? And I'm a fan of U2, been since 1982 or so.

And is it just my monitor, or does it look like Mr McGuinness had a few too many McGuinnesses before that picture was taken?
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January 29th, @10:09AM

Re: Collapse of the music industry?

Amen brother.. I want Lazy Boy to start kicking in some funds to cover my mortgage

Edit.. ooops.. something went horribly wrong, this was supposed to be attached to another post... (2 or 3 comments above.. I am too lazy to rewrite it there....)
Sammer

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What has started to collapse is the major record companies' cartel that used to allow them to treat recording artists like indentured servants. Bono is the biggest sell-out of all time.
maxpower

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quote:
And is it just my monitor, or does it look like Mr McGuinness had a few too many McGuinnesses before that picture was taken?
He sure does... What's next Mr McGuiness? Should companies that make CD-R's pay the music industry too? Maybe Apple should also, since everyone that listens to music has an IPod.

blank medea

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Re: Collapse of the music industry?

said by maxpower See Profile :

What's next Mr McGuiness? Should companies that make CD-R's pay the music industry too?
Actually, they already do.

IIRC, if you buy a stack of CD-Rs and the word "music" is anywhere on the packaging, the music industry (more specifically, the RIAA) gets a cut of the purchase price.

If, on the other hand, the CD-Rs you're buying only purport to be suitable for "data backups," (or whatever) the music industry doesn't see a dime.

The whole "media tax"-thing really started when the music industry (again, read RIAA) complained bitterly that Home Taping Is Killing The Music Industry. They lobbied (and got) a "recording tax" put on blank cassette tapes under the asssumption that each and every tape that people bought was, invariably, used to record an album and "steal" music.

Even, of course, if the person making said tape happened to own the album in the first place and merely wanted some way to play it in the car without having to buy yet another copy of something they already paid for.

dvd536
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The crap thats came out in the last 25 years aint worth the bandwidth to pirate.
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Of Which Morals Does He Speak...?

quote:
"I suggest we shift the focus of moral pressure ..."
Am I the only one who found this quote amusing? Is this the same music industry that continues to promote lawlessness, violence, bigotry and misogyny in its lyrics and now whines that it is on the receiving end of some of these problems now?

Just so anyone knows, I am not someone who believes that "bad" music lyrics actually kill anyone. I'm also not directing these comments at U2. I just find it funny that the same music industry executives who peddle products that promotes such values are now whining about being on the receiving end of said values.
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moonpuppy

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Re: Of Which Morals Does He Speak...?

How about people take that money they were paying to Bono for his humanitarian work and pay the ISP instead.

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Re: Of Which Morals Does He Speak...?

said by moonpuppy See Profile :

How about people take that money they were paying to Bono for his humanitarian work and pay the ISP instead.
Bono is my idol. Anyone who goes to the lengths that he did to legally reduce and/or eliminate his tax burden deserves to be deified.
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Noah Vail
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Bono?

I quit seeing him as genuine when he joined the uno name cult and dropped his first name; Sonny.

wait for it...

NV
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hopeflicker
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greed

shift the focus of moral pressure away from the individual P2P file thief and on to the multibillion dollar industries that benefit from these countless tiny crimes

That's becasue this greedy bastard sees more money in lawsuits from ISP's than from your typical P2P user.

sarcasm on

OMG! this is gonna hurt the ISP!! Must think of the big business, shareholder, and bottom line. What are we gonna do?
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Re: greed

this is like a bank saying the Turnpike authority/DOT should have to pay them since robbers can use the highway to get to and from their crime.
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hopeflicker
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Re: greed

yes, excellent analogy.

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I would blame the RIAA.

The music industry charges more than what the songs are worth. They create the P2P market.

I always hate how they make up some number that they lost X millions of dollars because of P2P when in reality P2P users would rather not listen to the songs if they could not get them for free so in reality they lose nothing to P2P sharing.
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hopeflicker
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Re: I would blame the RIAA.

said by r81984 See Profile :

The music industry charges more than what the songs are worth. They create the P2P market.

I always hate how they make up some number that they lost X millions of dollars because of P2P when in reality P2P users would rather not listen to the songs if they could not get them for free so in reality they lose nothing to P2P sharing.
agree
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FiL
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Re: I would blame the RIAA.

Agree also...

I can't recall how many times I fuckin' DL a track to an album I wanna get, like the song, go out and purchase the album, only to find that the free song I DL'ed is the best track on the album... bahhhh!

But I still continue buying the albums and buying the dvd's...

My torrenting isn't affecting them on my side, thats for sure...

Cuchulainn
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Music Industry Losing Money Because...?

Content is Stale and Boring?
Wedded to Outmoded Business Models?

NAH! Must be the ISPs!

PS - U2 lost the plot around 1989. Amazing how good the early stuff sounds and how bad they sound now. "Boner" should give up music and focus on Africa.
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Re: Music Industry Losing Money Because...?

said by Cuchulainn See Profile :

PS - U2 lost the plot around 1989. Amazing how good the early stuff sounds and how bad they sound now. "Boner" should give up music and focus on Africa.
Too busy grasping at fading relevance, chasing lost hip-ness and too far in bed with Apple's money machine to ever come back to musical credibility.
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FiL
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Re: Music Industry Losing Money Because...?

Too much damn REVERB on every part of U2 songs...

It sounds like they record their albums inside of castles and cathedrals... I mean how many times do you need to hit the echo?!

RadioDoc
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Re: Music Industry Losing Money Because...?

Reverb helps cover bad musicianship...
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Re: Music Industry Losing Money Because...?

said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Reverb helps cover bad musicianship...
what musicianship?! they can't read music!

RadioDoc
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Re: Music Industry Losing Money Because...?

OK you got me.
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Re: Music Industry Losing Money Because...?



The youngins probably don't know this, but Bono rocked the Mullet back in the day, when It's Name had not even been spoken yet. Back then, it was the "ape drape", or "soccer rokker"...

S_engineer

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Re: Music Industry Losing Money Because...?

Isn't this the guy from that cheezy movie "Roadhouse" and "Dirty Dancing" ?

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Re: Music Industry Losing Money Because...?

said by S_engineer See Profile :

Isn't this the guy from that cheezy movie "Roadhouse" and "Dirty Dancing" ?
Boner Swayze?

Almost forgot about his mullet. Thanks for the reminder satellite68!
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Yauch

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He's Got a Point.

Those kids are always after his pot-o-gold.
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Re: He's Got a Point.

The kids may be after his pot, but I doubt that it is gold. This guy must have used some awesome stuff to come with going after the ISP's.

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Re: He's Got a Point.

said by Austinloop See Profile :

The kids may be after his pot, but I doubt that it is gold. This guy must have used some awesome stuff to come with going after the ISP's.
I think he's been drinkin' poitin, not smoking pot. Even pot wouldn't produce THOSE delusions.
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Another stupid coment.

Wow i guess they have been following the news about broadband providers trying to restrict and block certain stuff and now they want a piece of the pie and think they have some ground to blackmail the ISP's. Well they might deserve it if the ISP would have just suck it up. I have no ideas whose side to be on on this.

ohya

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This is just funny

I wonder what is next. The music industry is continually losing sales as people lose interest in their crap. Granted that pirating does not directly add to their bottom line.

I read an article stating that new groups are not nearly as successful in concert sales compared to older groups from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. You really can't contribute this decline to pirating.
s13

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Leggo Mc'Guinness

I think Paul had a few pints of Guinness before making those ingenious comments. Hey buddy, if it makes you feel better, I haven't stolen a single track of your buttbuddy Bono's music - not because I'm of solid moral character, but rather because U2 SUCKS SHIT.

Agent 86

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Those meddling kids!

We can't all be as strait-laced as a rock star, those paragons of moral rectitude.

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Re: Those meddling kids!

said by Agent 86 :

We can't all be as strait-laced as a rock star, those paragons of moral rectitude.
Replace "Strait-laced" with "sh*t faced" and you got it.
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South Park

Ok...who saw the South Park episode with Bono?

It's true...I swear!

His older stuff is "standable", but I really cannot stand his name nor his attitude.

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Re: South Park

said by fcisler See Profile :

Ok...who saw the South Park episode with Bono?

It's true...I swear!

His older stuff is "standable", but I really cannot stand his name nor his attitude.
Amen brother! Saw the South Park episode, but Beavis and Butthead nailed it about ten years ago when they called him "Boner." I've been calling him that ever since!
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ender7074

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Unbelieveable

The manager of a group of tree-hugging hippies condemning "hippie values". Pot meet kettle. Yet another reason to despise U2.
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I bet Bono is turning over in his grave

Bono is DEAD to me, has been for years.

Sellout! Nothing but a sellout!

What ever happened to the Bono who's God was not short on cash, mister?
questionable

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SUE LAZY-BOY

I would like to sue lazyboy for being fat. If they didn't make such a relaxing and comfortable chair I would have gotten of my lazy ass and gotten into shape instead of being so unhealthy and having medical problems!

(/sarcasim off)
jester121

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Typical....

Just like most liberals, Bono and his cronies are experts at spending other peoples' money.
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Re: Typical....

said by jester121 See Profile :

Just like most liberals, Bono and his cronies are experts at spending other peoples' money.
And yet neither of them have anything on the "conservative" Bush admin when it comes to spending - funny how that works. I guess as long as you piss away hundreds of billions on "fightin' the AY-RABS" rather than helping your own citizens, the koolaid-sluggers who support you won't mind.

Mr Matt

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Music Industry Red Herring

A while back I read an interesting article in an Audio Magazine. Representatives of the music industry were complaining that department stores were eliminating their Record/Tape Departments. The music industry attributed the loss of business to HOME TAPING. When do you think the article was written. Sometime between 1979 and 1981. No internet, no computers, no consumer digital audio playback equipment. Everyone involved in the music business should kiss a compact disc every morning. When the Compact Disc was introduced it revitalized the music business. It seems music lovers wanted to replace their Vinyl Collections with Compact Discs. It seems that the music industry always needs a scapegoat for a downturn in business.

Regards

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Re: Music Industry Red Herring

said by Mr Matt See Profile :

Everyone involved in the music business should kiss a compact disc every morning. When the Compact Disc was introduced it revitalized the music business. It seems music lovers wanted to replace their Vinyl Collections with Compact Discs.
If you think that music lovers were just thrilled to stop paying $8.98 for their vinyl albums and start paying $15-plus instead for a Compact Disc just because they were "cool," I'm not convinced you were around during the transition (though you may well be one of those "bottomless wallet"-types the music industry loves like a cellmate).

That's okay, though, because the True Story behind how all the music lovers suddenly and spontaneously decided, overnight, that their turntables were somehow "defective" has never been told in the music industry press.

But now you can read all about it.......for free:

»www.negativland.com/minidis.html

Isn't the InterWeb wonderful?

(Incidentally, any chance of telling us where you saw that article on home taping? If you could tell us the name of the magazine/issue date, I'd gladly look for a dead tree copy.)
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