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clubs: | Re: Not surprised By the way, what do 1,337 h4X0rz have to do with it? {grin}
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By the way, what do 1,337 h4X0rz have to do with it? {grin}
or is that an address: 1337 h4H0rz Street.
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Gainesville, GA | How about Filetopia? I used to use Filetopia, until I found thousands of spam email coming from my PC. Apparently the chat rooms associated with the software providers have back door also, probably through the ICQ channel. If someone can verify this, I'd appreciate it! | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: Not surprised Okay call me a noob (er... n0013), but out of all the script kiddie talk I could never figure out 1337. Can someone fill an amateur in?
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Houston, TX | Re: Not surprised Ah... now it makes sense. Never knew hacker shorthand (leet = elite).
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join:2002-12-30 | seems to be true the creators of ES5 don't say anything about it after 1 day. btw I never installed that crap.
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join:2001-02-14
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Your lock company decides that all of the locks it produces will be unlockable by a skeleton key, copies of which are given to the CEO and his friends.
The public finds out, becomes outraged, and the locks are replaced without this security flaw.
You would never buy from that company again. And by 'you', I mean 'the entire populace'. What is different about this situation? They've effectively lost the trust (permanently) of their potential user base.
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I make sure I pay attention to what is happening... wholesale downloading will get an ip [or ISP] banned, as will accelerators and other, seemingly automation driven attempts at "lifting" stuff....
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Brazil
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Here we have a Palestinian software that puts trojans in US computers. Now the Palestinians are eternally at war with Israel, which seems to be in bed with Washington. If this is not Yasser Arafat's last attempt to attack the United States, I don't know what is.
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| Re: Are we suposed to trust Palestinian software?? Remember all of the Palestinians dancing in the streets when they heard about the World Trade Center attack? Have you noticed all of the Palestinians blowing themselves up lately? Why is it so hard to think that some of them might have tried to strike at American computers? I haven't seen any evidence of that but I certainly wouldn't think of it as a wacko conspiracy theory, either. | |
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join:2003-04-19
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Conspiracy theory??? Maybe. Maybe not. Who cares now... | |
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Ours Go To Eleven
join:2000-12-14
DamnFlat, OH
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| Re: Are we suposed to trust Palestinian software?? Oh yes, and please ...... do tell me, what has Quebec EVER made or contributed to the world? Remember, making the British and Anglo-Canadians angry doesn't actually count as "making" something.
Try being grateful that America and her dominance has protected Canada for the last century. Those riding coat-tails have no right to complain about the view.
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Re: Are we suposed to trust Palestinian software?? said by Yowzaaah :
Oh yes, and please ...... do tell me, what has Quebec EVER made or contributed to the world?
-John Candy
-Jim Carrey
-Rick Moranis
-The Kids in the Hall
-Rush
-Brian Adams
-Alanis Morrisette
-Celine Dion (benefit or bane? you decide)
-Martin Short
-Gravy on french fries
-Backbacon
-Flannel shirts
-Terrence and Phillip (according to South Park)
-Legal gambling less than 20 minutes away from Detroit
-Cheap on-location shots for various television shows
-Wacky and often in the U.S.'s favor exchange rate
-Identification of asthma being a bronchile disease
-Insulin
-The pacemaker
-The zipper
-Hockey
I think Canada has contributed a fair amount. As far as Quebec is concerned you got me, but since they are a part of Canada I might as well roll the whole stogie together since such discussions tend to be about a nation and not a single province in that nation. It would be like picking on Montana and asking what they have contributed to the world.
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Ours Go To Eleven
join:2000-12-14
DamnFlat, OH
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Re: Are we suposed to trust Palestinian software?? Ahh... Canadian Bacon.... classic movie making.
I call 'em Quebecoids myself. And if I were you I would invade them first. Since they cling to their French heritage maybe they will surrender fast.
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clubs: | Americans do have big mouths huh? You do realize that the world is not centered around AMERICANS, even though I am one myself.. We should just invade you.. | |
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I Will Bring Balance
join:2003-08-17
Deep River, CT | Re: Are we suposed to trust Palestinian software?? We don't want bleeding heart left-wing liberals like you in this country. Pick up and move to France with all the other frogs who roll over for Saddam. | |
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Ours Go To Eleven
join:2000-12-14
DamnFlat, OH
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| Au contraire mon ami! The world DOES in fact revolve around the USA. Our culture and ideals have taken over nearly every corner of the world. Our economy is HUGE, no other country on this earth can hope to thrive without us. Compare North and South Korea.... The South are our friends, the North are our enemies. The south sells us cars and electronics and they enjoy a wonderful standard of living, the north sells us nothing and they eat straw and/or starve without heat or electricity.
WE ARE ROME, although, unlike Rome we don't pratice genocide to make our point. And I'm not talking mamby pamby PC speak genocide where you blabber on about the hegemony of fast food culture being "genocide"
in developing cultures, I'm talking about sending in a fews legion of centurians to kill every man woman and child in a country or region and leave the bodies our to rot as a reminder to anyone else who thinks it would be smart to challenge Rome's will. No we "rule the world" with free trade, allowing friendly countries access to our markets and money, thereby bringing increases to their standard of living along the way (again, look at South Korea). We are such horrible people....so arrogant...so self righteous...blah blah blah. Get your head out of your ass and FOR ONCE be proud at what your country has accomplished.
Got news for ya sparky, the world could do much worse than to have us as it's "master". Just think of say.... oh .... I don't know... Adolph Hitler. Had the maniacal ridgeling (yes it's true he had one nut) been left to conquer the world unchecked due to the self loathing isolationism of people like yourself, I'm sure the nazi's wouldn't have been arrogant in how they ran things. They would have been most polite about killing your whole family in retaliation for you having voiced your displeasure with your country.
In short, it's easy to be a Bohemian "free thinker" and condemn your country, hey anarchy is fun...I've had a blast with it from time to time, but the real world is ugly, violent and, frankly, jealous of us. If being here and experiencing the peace and prosperity that our arrogant big mouths (and hundred trillion dollar economy) have brought to you trouble you so much, the only intellectually honest thing to do is leave and join the oppressed masses in the rest of the world. Renounce your citizenship and fight against US dominance. Don't expect many people to join your cause however, bitching about the US is common sport, but it is just that. Come Monday morning when it's time to buy and sell, the US market is right in the middle or their daily lives, hopes and dreams.
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Re: Are we suposed to trust Palestinian software?? Weird Al Yankovic has a song on his new album called Genius in France. Funny stuff. Recommended listening for you and Yowzaah.
Lyric sample: I couldn't pour water out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel. But I'm a genius in France. (yeah) Genius in France
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join:2002-02-20
Laramie, WY
| said by footballdude :
Remember all of the Palestinians dancing in the streets when they heard about the World Trade Center attack? Have you noticed all of the Palestinians blowing themselves up lately? Why is it so hard to think that some of them might have tried to strike at American computers? I haven't seen any evidence of that but I certainly wouldn't think of it as a wacko conspiracy theory, either.
Tough to call. Sounds like a good way into the homes and businesses of so many Americans, but these people blow themselves up in hopes of killing one or two innocent bi-standers. Can these idiots really work computers? | |
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starstuff
Fly By Wire
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join:2001-12-05
Mcallen, TX
| Re: Are we suposed to trust Palestinian software?? said by PolarBearWY :
said by footballdude :
Remember all of the Palestinians dancing in the streets when they heard about the World Trade Center attack? Have you noticed all of the Palestinians blowing themselves up lately? Why is it so hard to think that some of them might have tried to strike at American computers? I haven't seen any evidence of that but I certainly wouldn't think of it as a wacko conspiracy theory, either.
Tough to call. Sounds like a good way into the homes and businesses of so many Americans, but these people blow themselves up in hopes of killing one or two innocent bi-standers. Can these idiots really work computers?
I wouldn't call all these people idiots... but you are right. The technological level of Palestine is not very high and I don't think this program came from Palestine. Israel on the other hand is a highly developed country especially in the hardware/software area. I wouldn't be surprised if the origin of the program is Israel.... maybe a mossad operative could confirm this??
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Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Re: Are we suposed to trust Palestinian software?? Typical. Israel never gets a break, does it?
You realize that many Arabs actually think that Israel carried out the 9/11 attacks to further their agenda?
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Think about it people. If you were a Palestinian and wanted really wanted to hurt America by planting some software to mess with us do you really think they would announce themselves as being Palestinian? This is way to convenient to really be anything truly destrictive. Also why would they release a fix when they could have just denied anything was wrong in hopes of snagging a few other saps?
Another thing to to consider. Even if these programmers did hate the U.S. don't you think making software that keeps a greedy capitalist industry like what the RIAA represents from making money fall into a better incentive? The Palestinians always talk about how the people should be empowered. Well maybe they are taking it out on the companies while at the same time empowering the Americans? Makes sense considering they have been beaten down by the Man in their own way (Israel).
Just keeping an open minds about this. You never really know what's going on behind the scenes.
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join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
| Are you suggesting that people in other countries boycott US vendors and services when their countries are involved in some kind of relgious or political conflict with the USA?
The USA is a big powerful country and it is or has been in some kind of conflict with just about every country in the world, usually involving broken trade treaties, but sometimes involving political interference in domestic elections, giving weapons to "rebel" groups (aka terrorists). I'm sure a political scientist or historian could give a longer more detailed list.
And talk about spyware or defective software.
Home of Microsoft, Gator, etc., etc.
Let us hope, for the sake of the US software and hardware industry, that people in other countries are not so quick to blame the whole country for the actions of a few companies.
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join:2002-04-28
Jefferson, NC
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| OK......help........ I installed this program. I thought that with the discussion on here concerning it.....that it would be safe. I ran the uninstall and am running spybot now. What else should I do?
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join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB | That is probably sufficient Kenita. You should watch the discussion of the people who say they found the exploit to see if they recommend more. | |
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | We'll be hearing about this from the RIAA. It wouldn't suprise me if the RIAA uses this as an excuse to get rid of p2p. They've already used p2ps abilty to share files on your hard drive against p2p. | |
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join:2001-10-03
| Re: We'll be hearing about this from the RIAA. notice that the "bad code" allows a remote user to delete shared files.
from the article posting:
"There exists malicious code... could delete any file the user is sharing... C:\BOOT.INI file which is a required boot file used by ntldr.
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sounds like something the RIAA would pull, remember when they convinced orrin hatch that hacking computers to delete copyrighted files should be legal? | |
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Evanston, IL | Re: We'll be hearing about this from the RIAA. Even better. Delete copyrighted songs, and then "compain" to congress about how p2p is a security risk. | |
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join:2001-12-03
Allentown, PA
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"There exists malicious code... could delete any file the user is sharing... C:\BOOT.INI file which is a required boot file used by ntldr.
why would anyone even think of sharing a sys folder/file ?
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| said by c0mmander :
notice that the "bad code" allows a remote user to delete shared files.
from the article posting:
"There exists malicious code... could delete any file the user is sharing... C:\BOOT.INI file which is a required boot file used by ntldr.
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sounds like something the RIAA would pull, remember when they convinced orrin hatch that hacking computers to delete copyrighted files should be legal?
Then why the patch release? I have doubts the RIAA has anything to do with this other than trying to capitalize on the news to suit their own ends.
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keith2468
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join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
| We don't know who installed the back door How soon people forget the original licensing agreement Kazaa published with its product.
If the product is otherwise good it will be adopted, or at least cut-up and some parts adopted.
In the case of ES5, what people are forgetting is that the Palestinians are the focus of intense intelligence activity by foreign countries.
Not just the government of Israel, but the governments of the US, Russia, and even a few other Arab countries (e.g. Jordan) want (or act like they want) to keep the Palestinians hobbled.
And then there is the RIAA angle.
Who put the back door in the code? ES5, foreign intelligence agencies, the Palestinian government, the RIAA, someone else?
There are a lot of suspects and I would say we don't have enough information to do more than guess. | |
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Who Is Keyser Soze?
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join:2001-01-15
UK
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| Re: Hmm, nothing catchy comes to mind They would never do this. Due to the fact that if they hacked into a PC in the UK (for example) then they could be prosecuted under UK law. The Computer Misuse Act 1990 says "A person is guilty of an offence if: he does any act which causes an unauthorised modification of the contents of any computer"
I cannot see the RIAA being stupid enough to do this. It would wipe them out in an instant if they were found to be involved. They may be able to mess with PC's in the US but don't forget that other countries don't have to worry about the RIAA as its powers and legal clout mean nothing to them.
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adnoctum
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join:2003-05-18
Athens, GA | Re: Hmm, nothing catchy comes to mind This is of course assuming that the RIAA is smart enough to think all these plans up. They are the ones who are suing their customer base, hoping to encourage sales.
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I got a pot, full of random stuff here
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join:2003-06-28
| ESV5 never really caught on anyway Of all the people that I know that use filesharing services often and heavily (Hi guys, hows it going at the universities?) they have all abandoned ESV5.
It was a piece of crap softawre in the beginning anyway. It loaded slow, the interface was all wacko, downloading files wasn't a breeze and encryption? Forget it.
I don't know about anybody else, but from what i've seen, ESV5 never really caught on.
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South Bend, IN
clubs: | LOL They just probably wanted to see how many suckers would fall for it. | |
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tdkyo
join:2002-12-07
Rochester, NY | zeropaid.com should get shot I seriously think that we should flame all the users in zeropaid.com who flamed other users that ES5 is not a spyware/trojan by the RIAA. Now they know they were stupid all along. | |
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join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
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| zeropaid is the site that most users said ES5 sucked, and to their credit, they know a lot more about filesharing than most of the people in this forum.
The only real p2p program out there is Kazaa lite, no need to worry about fakes with K-lite verified links. | |
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join:2002-12-07
Rochester, NY
| Re: zeropaid.com should get shot said by DataRiker :
zeropaid is the site that most users said ES5 sucked, and to their credit, they know a lot more about filesharing than most of the people in this forum.
The only real p2p program out there is Kazaa lite, no need to worry about fakes with K-lite verified links.
I got flamed in zeropaid by saying that I had some distrust with ES5 a couple of month back. Oh well who cares. Emule with it's vertified hash links also goes nicely with K-Lite.:) | |
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Metairie, LA
clubs: | Re: zeropaid.com should get shot Random_Nut is the one who found the exploit, and he's a zeropaid member (and coder of Kazaa lite!) | |
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join:2002-12-01
Lynnwood, WA
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB | Could it be Kazaa? Add to the lengthy list of suspects Kazaa.
The file sharing company that sues others for copyright infringement. | |
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@alltel.n
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this was all there intent all along, the code is now gone and all you have to do is get the newest client and walah, exploit gone
if RandomNut or any coder out there wants to confirm it, go right ahead, it was garbage code for internal use only, sorry for the confusion | |
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| Re: You've got it all wrong Yeah right. An option to fight kiddy porn huh. SO tell me wise one if this software is so good with privacy who in the blue hell could tell if you were downloading kiddy porn? That exploit may be "gone" but why do you have to open so many ports in your firewall. That is crap I say. You shouldn't have to open any ports to access a proxy server. | |
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join:2001-05-10
Morgan Hill, CA
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I downloaded randomnut's esv bin and source and (after checking it out) I ran it against the latest version of es5. Esv sends it's commands OK but it fails to erase my readme text file I placed in "C:\Program Files\EarthStation5\New Media Files".
This appears to be a non-issue. Has anyone else tried it and got it to erase a file? Anyone at all?
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Redefining Reality
join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI | Bit Torrent They're the ones who have been DoSing the bit torrent sites? EVIL! WIll anyone use this software now? They better not. But I'm sure there are some people that don't know it has / is a trojan. I don't trust it. | |
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join:2003-10-03
Gainesville, GA | Re: Bit Torrent How about Tesla and Filetopia, they appear to have backdoors also?? | |
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join:2003-01-10
Bridgeton, NJ
clubs: | Re: Bit Torrent what is the big difference between this and msblast except from the countrys they come from | |
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join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL | Catchy Title And we trusted software from a refugee camp why? | |
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Thrawn2
Grand Admiral Thrawn
Premium
join:2001-04-09
Davenport, IA
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| HAHA soo true Why in the world would we trust the very people who hate us. Im surpirsed the computers didnt just say BURN america burn then turn off.
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Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-21
Queens, NY
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| Palestinian hatred and software As much as I despise the Palestinian terrorists, I am troubled to see that so many of you instantly assume that because a coder is from Palestine, that he/she is automatically a terrorist, and was dancing in the street after 9-11. This is blatant stereotyping and is just plain wrong.
Should a coder be automatically hated, based on the country he/she is from? This is how the terrorists themselves think, and part of the reason it is so difficult to break the cycle of Palestinian/Israeli hatred.
Has anyone though that possible the person(s) who coded this filesharing application might just possibly be some productive person(s) one who is trying to stay out of trouble, away from the violence, and providing for a future, and perhaps a few bucks?
Or do you really think that this person(s) codes in their spare time, in between building bombs and loading AK-47s?
While I love conspiracy theories, it is more likely that adding the 'back-door' to this application, was more a matter of simple foolishness, not realizing the marketing damage it would create. The organization that created this app, is obviously not staffed by Stanford and MIT educated professionals. | |
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join:2003-06-14
Herndon, VA | Re: Palestinian hatred and software Hot Damn.....you know what whizkid3, what you just said makes a lot of sense. (now if I can only make an applauding smiley) | |
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I Will Bring Balance
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Tmd
join:2003-08-29
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I Will Bring Balance
join:2003-08-17
Deep River, CT
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