Tribler BitTorrent Client Can't Be Shut Down File Distribution Becomes More Decentralized Torrent Freak directs our attention to the development of a new BitTorrent client whose developers claim is impossible to shut down without pulling the plug on the entire Internet. Dubbed Tribler, the client uses pure peer to peer communications and doesn't require a central website to find or download content. The client has been in development for five years, but becomes increasingly relevant as the entertainment industry's war on filtering websites grows. It works rather simply: When a user clicks on one of the search results, the meta-data is pulled in from another peer and the download starts immediately. Tribler is based on the standard BitTorrent protocol and uses regular BitTorrent trackers to communicate with other peers. But, it can also continue downloading when a central tracker goes down...According to Dr. Pouwelse, Tribler is fully capable of resisting any pressure from outside, and it will still work when all torrent sites and trackers are gone. It simply can’t be shutdown, blocked or censored, whatever laws politicians may come up with. As the entertainment industry (and the governments who love their campaign cash) ramp up their focus on filters and attacks on centralized distribution hubs, developers are simply shifting their focus toward more decentralized solutions. The very Internet was designed as a communication medium that persists regardless of regional shutdown, so the idea that piracy can ever really be stopped is a pipe dream. Thus, an endless game of (often taxpayer funded) whac-a-mole! As we've seen time and time again, no matter how draconian the attempt to stop piracy is (be it filters, throttling, lawsuits, bad laws or ISP warning campaigns) -- piracy not only lives on -- but thrives. It's clear to everyone but the entertainment industry that you can't stop piracy, you can only slow it -- and the only way to seriously slow it is to compete with it through lower prices and quality distribution services. That's something companies like Valve Software have figured out with their Steam distribution platform for the game industry, but it seems to be an utterly inconceivable concept for Hollywood.
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kudos:7 | Re: Limewire DHT still requires "servers". How do you think clients find a node within the tree? *ALL* peer-to-peer networks have the same bootstrapping problem. "super nodes", as they're called, have to be fixed, known targets for new nodes to join the mesh. I recall WinMX, etc. attempting to solve that by keeping a long list of previously connected nodes to attempt to contact at startup. But if none of them are live, or you have no list at all, there's no way to find the network.
While the mesh may be hard to kill, the supernodes are flashing neon targets that can be shutdown, their owners arrested and prosecuted. The individual nodes within the mesh can be found and prosecuted as well... pretty much the exact same as today's bittorrenting, kazza, directconect, etc., etc. ptp networks. | |
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| Re: Limewire Chances are that the nodes will be in places that are just as untouchable today as they are tomorrow (the only kind of law these companies respect is CASH.. so could these companies be bribed to shut down.. maybe, but not likely). Despite current rumblings of an international 100% compliance copyright enforced law dreamed about as the hallmark of a new world order (that would facist police and court tactics against pirates and innocent alike as collateral damage).. infact quite the opposite is currently forging it's way through half the globe.
Let's not forget the other cancer that's plauging the internet, and that's usage based billing. From A&T to Verizon, to Comcast, ALL THREE carriers seem to be coming to a consensus of hiking internet access prices now and charging MORE for less. It seems copyright holders have found a way to turn SOME isp's in the USA greedy and begin overcharging for internet data. Consumers want the data to be free or dirt cheap! Therefore these two ideas are on a collision course sooner or later. Kind of goes without saying that piracy will probably increase when you increase the cost of internet access since you don't have as much money for content-- similarly when gasoline prices rise.. that's less money spent elsewhere in the economy. So let them try to change behavior by hiking rates and the copyright holders get screwed more. Viscious cycle. | |
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Glen Head, NY | said by coxuser9999 :Reminds me of when napster needed a centralized server, so they came up with limewire that didnt
Don't forget Gnutella. That worked very well too.
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but Sneakernet will always be around though anyways | |
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| | And? It seems that MPAA and RIAA are willing to go as far as shut down the internet. | |
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kudos:5 |  How can legit distribution go to $0 prices?
you can't stop piracy, you can only slow it -- and the only way to seriously slow it is to compete with it through lower prices | |
| | | | Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? How can rovio make more money will angry birds being free on Android than if they charged a buck a copy and had piracy? | |
| | | | | Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? don't get it twisted too much: they still have an ad-free version that costs money.
they had to bundle advertising to make their money. the main thing is that they didn't attempt to prevent piracy; they just made a good product at competitive cost with an ad-supported option. | |
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| Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? The key is that they actually made a GOOD product. Most of the "products" that the entertainment industry makes are pieces of shit which no one will buy anyways.
It reminds me when MPAA tried to ban twitter - to make the movie goes not post comments on how shitty a movie is. They said it erodes their revenues
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Manville, NJ | Convenience....and a reasonable price point. When the distribution is easier through established outlets and the price is right you can compete.
Some folks will never pay for anything, then there at the folks who balk at paying a high price for a lower perceived value. You have to target the folks who would buy things if the price was more reasonable and forget the ones who will never pay.
Then you will up sales over the long run and have a viable business model.
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| Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? Exactly. Steam works to help erode piracy because it makes buying games simple, cheap, and easier that having to use BitTorrent to download, compile rars, install a crack, etc. A functional, inexpensive video service would be equally appealing....of course such a product would erode traditional legacy platforms which is precisely why they don't try. They'd just rather complain about piracy and lobby for awful laws like SOPA. | |
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| Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? said by Karl Bode:Exactly. Steam works to help erode piracy because it makes buying games simple, cheap, and easier that having to use BitTorrent to download, compile rars, install a crack, etc. A functional, inexpensive video service would be equally appealing....of course such a product would erode traditional legacy platforms which is precisely why they don't try. They'd just rather complain about piracy and lobby for awful laws like SOPA.
My laptop can not play back legit DVD's but pirated dvds works fine (aka 700MB AVI's) and there is not wrong with my dvd-burner
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Billings, MT | Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? said by Anonymous_: My laptop can not play back legit DVD's but pirated dvds works fine (aka 700MB AVI's) and there is not wrong with my dvd-burner That would be the CSS encryption on a DVD. Once you are able to get through that, you'd be able to play a normal DVD just fine.
..either that or the DVD player software (pre-Windows 7) isn't working correctly.
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| Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? I wanted to buy some music. It's not on Amazon.com but it is on Amazon.de. You know what I got? "Sorry we can't sell you this due to geographic restrictions"
So I just went to youtube and ripped to MP3 (fair use, right?)
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Washington, DC | Steam also has a social aspect to it, as well as good advertising and sales. You buy a game once, and you can play it on any computer you can access.
I think people would like to have a digital movie collection they could compare with others on Facebook or something like that, and stream to any of their devices, assuming the price is right. Sales drive sales! I haven't actually used Netflix, but I imagine they are like a Steam for movies. | |
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| said by Karl Bode:Exactly. Steam works to help erode piracy because it makes buying games simple, cheap, and easier that having to use BitTorrent to download, compile rars, install a crack, etc. If you like all your games to have a leash attached. | |
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Springfield, MO | Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? when i can get games for 60% off or more im ok with this | |
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kudos:3 | said by Rekrul:If you like all your games to have a leash attached.
I'll take my leashed games when they're at dirt cheap sales, thank you very much. Oh, and cloud backup of installation media whenever's a nice thing too.
I've bought a lot of old nostalgia games just so I can finally chuck the various pieces of media around the house. | |
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| Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? said by Thaler:I'll take my leashed games when they're at dirt cheap sales, thank you very much. Oh, and cloud backup of installation media whenever's a nice thing too.
I've bought a lot of old nostalgia games just so I can finally chuck the various pieces of media around the house. Until Valve decides that you've violated the term of service somehow and 'bricks' your games.
Or Valve gets bought out and the new company shuts off support for older games... | |
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| Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? said by Rekrul:Until Valve decides that you've violated the term of service somehow and 'bricks' your games.
Well don't go and try something that you know will mostly likely get you banned anyway. They have bans that can work account wide to just a game by game basis.
said by Rekrul:Or Valve gets bought out
If Valve keeps running their business with Steam like they are currently, I don't believe either of us will live long enough to see that happen.
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| Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? said by Mr Fel:If Valve keeps running their business with Steam like they are currently, I don't believe either of us will live long enough to see that happen. There are plenty of companies that seemed to be on top of the world and then went down the tubes because of bad decisions or because they were bought out, or because a competitor became more popular. | |
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Louisville, KY | Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? Till then mon ami. | |
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kudos:3 | said by Rekrul:Until Valve decides that you've violated the term of service somehow and 'bricks' your games.
I don't hack games and I try to keep my jackassery online to a minimum. I'm not fearing a banhammer anyday soon.
said by Rekrul:Or Valve gets bought out and the new company shuts off support for older games...
Or could simply remove the DRM from their products before closing up shop. Both are equally unlikely hypotheticals that could play out. | |
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| Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? said by Thaler:Or could simply remove the DRM from their products before closing up shop. Both are equally unlikely hypotheticals that could play out. If Valve ever gets bought out by another company, it will be up to the new owners whether they want to remove DRM, or even keep supporting the old games.
If Valve goes out of business, providing DRM patches for their games will be the last thing on the company's mind. Besides, even if they were committed to removing the DRM to support their loyal users, do they even have permission from all the third party companies that they distributed games for?
I've heard it said that the most likely scenario is that they would issue a patch to Steam to make it work without the servers. Forgetting for a second the ridiculousness of requiring people to still run Steam, which would serve absolutely no purpose at that point, other than giving the individually crippled games permission to run, they would need the permission of every single company they distributed games for. If even one of them denies that permission, then they legally can't make a patch for Steam, because that would remove the DRM from games that they don't have the permission to do so for.
Do you think Lucasarts would give them permission to remove the DRM from their games?
Which means that if they were going to do it, they would need to create separate patches for each individual game. For their own games, this would be fairly simple, but for third party games, it means that they would have to contact each and every company to get permission, then code dozens of individual patches, test them, etc.
If Valve were in financial trouble and laying off employees, do you really think that they would go to the time and expense of paying people to create DRM patches for all the games?
The idea that Valve would be loyal enough to its users to provide them with a way to run their games if the company folded or was bought out, is a nice pipe dream, but it's not supported by reality. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? said by Rekrul:The idea that Valve would be loyal enough to its users to provide them with a way to run their games if the company folded or was bought out, is a nice pipe dream, but it's not supported by reality.
You're already dealing in a "what if" scenario that's not supported by reality today. How can you say my "what if" case is more/less bunk than your not-a-prayer scenario? | |
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| said by Rekrul:said by Karl Bode:Exactly. Steam works to help erode piracy because it makes buying games simple, cheap, and easier that having to use BitTorrent to download, compile rars, install a crack, etc. If you like all your games to have a leash attached. Please explain. I am sure there is some sort of DRM but I never noticed. I download steam, login and download whatever game I have purchased and I play it. It's better than buying a physical disk IMO, nothing to scratch or loose. No CD keys to enter and validate.
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kudos:26 | Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? said by joako:said by Rekrul:said by Karl Bode:Exactly. Steam works to help erode piracy because it makes buying games simple, cheap, and easier that having to use BitTorrent to download, compile rars, install a crack, etc. If you like all your games to have a leash attached. Please explain. I am sure there is some sort of DRM but I never noticed. I download steam, login and download whatever game I have purchased and I play it. It's better than buying a physical disk IMO, nothing to scratch or loose. No CD keys to enter and validate. If you don't have broadband, Steam is a problem. Way back I bought the boxed version of HL2. Steam would not let me play it until it was updated and all I had was dial up. Downloading 4-5 hours per day it took five days before I could finally play the durn thing. My main gripe now is I use to sell my old games, with Steam I can't even give my old games away.
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| Its called a 'loss leader' This is how many industries do business anyway.
Razors have been the king of loss leader business.
Give away the handles for free, then make money off the blades.
Inkjet printer market is similar - give away the printer for nearly free, and an ink cartrtidge costs more than the whole printer did in the first place.
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kudos:3 | Add convenience, features, and a reasonable price point. There's a reason why everyone I know that uses Adobe products (outside of the IT world) hasn't paid for their copy. When the price of software costs more than the hardware you're putting it on...people will be very happy to look to non-legit channels.
On the flipside, iTunes & Amazon MP3 seem to be making out like gangbusters among an environment of rampant piracy. There might just be something to this convenience & pricing thing after all. | |
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| Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? said by Thaler:On the flipside, iTunes & Amazon MP3 seem to be making out like gangbusters among an environment of rampant piracy. There might just be something to this convenience & pricing thing after all. It is the ease and convenience that does it. Cloud backup, album art, proper indexing, etc. If I could get off shore releases that are now blocked by publishing rights I would be very happy indeed.
An example of this is Nightwish (orchestral/operatic heavy metal) their latest release Imaginaerum was available in Scandanavia back in November, 2011, it was not released in the States until January, 2012. If this was because of the actions of state side publishing companies I have no idea but the bottom line is instantly this 2CD release hit the bit-torrent universe. For 2 months the only easy way you could get this release outside of Scandanavia was by pirating it, and thousands of copies where downloaded. I wonder how many people would have purchased this excellent release if it had been available worldwide back in November. I purchased my copy on the gray market directly from a Finnish retailer shortly after the release back in November.
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| Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? Well, since I dumped my crappy SLOW VZ DSL, and went with Clearwire, I have a stable 6Mb/s to 8Mb/s unlimited broadband connection.
I now P2P far far less having subscribed to Netflix and Hulu+ What I still P2P are TV shows which I can't get legit. If they were available for a reasonable price, and in a timely fashion, then eztv.it would see far less of me. Give me reasonable access to entertainment, and the NEED to download simply goes away. I find it so much easier to stream content, than to use my off-shore seed box, then download the show to my pc, then watch it and finally delete it. Eight yankee dollars a month for Netflix is a bargain, and cheaper in time than the P2P alternative.
I love iTunes! You get the music, the cover art, the history of the band, and with very little effort, the lyrics too. Oh.... and I don't have to buy the entire album to get the 3 songs I like, I don't have to deal with their DRM, or scratched media, or the damn thing not playing on any particular player, and I don't need a huge stack of plastic in the corner of my apartment. I've ripped all that plastic to hard drives, and will never again buy their crap "media"! BTW, it's a good turn for the environment as well.
"Pirating" is an entertainment industry manufactured non-issue, and non-problem. It's all manufactured crap. A little sanity on the part of these troglodites , and no problem! What's wrong with these assholes that they feel the need to stomp all over the Internet to force people into their outdated mold? This is the 21st Century! Get with it, or be left behind!
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| | | said by Linklist:you can't stop piracy, you can only slow it -- and the only way to seriously slow it is to compete with it through lower prices So, how do you compete with $0 prices for those who think everything should cost nothing? You don't. Because you don't need to. As cited, Steam makes plenty of money currently.
As you have pointed out so eloquently, there are those who think everything should cost nothing. They are a small minority, and vastly overblown by various groups - but they do exist. And you aren't getting sales from them anyway. So why try and "compete" with them, or try and spend millions of dollars going after "sales" that you aren't going to get, when you can be making money off of the people that do want to pay for your product at a reasonable rate, with convenience and low hassle. Steam did this incredibly successfully. Pen & Paper RPGs did this very well with DriveThruRPG. iTunes did it with music. Did it eliminate piracy? No, nothing can - short of an apocalypse that drops all our technology. What it did do was monetize a segment of the population that actually was willing to spend money, instead of stigmatizing them and encouraging them to find other means. | |
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| said by Linklist:So, how do you compete with $0 prices for those who think everything should cost nothing?
Ever seen bottled water being sold at the grocery store? Everyone can drink from the tap for free (for all purposes the cost of the water one drinks from the tap is 0). | |
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New Orleans, LA | said by Linklist:you can't stop piracy, you can only slow it -- and the only way to seriously slow it is to compete with it through lower prices So, how do you compete with $0 prices for those who think everything should cost nothing? You don't get that many of those pirating would in fact pay for the product if they could actually get it?
I mean, just look on this site...I and many others only have downloaded pirating software when I can't get it. Example?
The new movie with DiCaprio....Edgar...it is not playing in the movies now near me....not available on Amazon/iTunes/Netflix/Hulu.....nowhere. So, how do I watch it? I downloaded it off BitTorrent.
Much like pre-iTunes where I downloaded my music off pirated sites until iTunes and now buy strictly from iTunes legally
Give us options and they will be shocked at how many switch to legal means | |
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| ThrowDemsOut, let me give you a real life example:
I bought a game (on DVD), played it happily and eagerly awaited to buy the expansion pak/add-on when it was announced.
add-on released; had to buy it thru Microsoft Live (what a POS system); left $2 in the account because you can only buy $10 or credits and the add-on was $8.
tried to install add-on; wouldn't work; tried multiple times, waited for fix; finally, did a search on the add on name, found tracker, downloaded using BT client, installed no problem.
The legitimate, legal paid for product didn't work and the process of purchasing was a pain (register, username, pw, have to buy credits, etc.).
In contrast, I was able to easily and quickly find what I wanted on the internet and was finally able to enjoy WHAT I HAD PAID FOR TO BEGIN WITH.
I had such a bad experience with the first add on that when subsequent add-ons were released, I just "pirated" them off the internet, but would have happily paid for them if not for the hassle. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | You cannot compete with the cost of piracy however you can compete with the ease of piracy. =Steam does not stop piracy with cost or DRM but instead makes it easier to just buy the game because you click buy and it starts to download. and if you preorder a game it downloads in chunks and unlocks right on time for release.
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kudos:2 | said by Linklist:So, how do you compete with $0 prices for those who think everything should cost nothing? If someone doesn't want to pay anything - they won't no matter how much you try to force them. There is no market share loss here because that person wouldn't buy the product anyway.
The problem is that the entertainment industry is losing people who are willing to pay - just not willing to put up with exorbitant prices and crappy products. Personally I am staying outside the US currently, so watching US dramas for example is a chore because I simply can't get some of them locally. If the industry let companies set up reasonably priced online content services I'd love to just subscribe to one of those! the problem is all the solutions out there are either severely limited or too expensive - or both. The problem is not that consumers are unwilling to pay - the problem is that consumers are unwilling to get b***f***ed in the process! | |
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| said by Linklist:you can't stop piracy, you can only slow it -- and the only way to seriously slow it is to compete with it through lower prices So, how do you compete with $0 prices for those who think everything should cost nothing? The people who pirate have no interest in purchasing anything. You stop file SHARING and those users will just go without.
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Kansas City, MO | Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? said by r81984:The people who pirate have no interest in purchasing anything. You stop file SHARING and those users will just go without.
I think your wrong.. but only a good product brought to market would prove that..
I think if there was bluray and divx quality rip's of every single movie and tv show.. available.. I think it's possible "us weirdo’s" who pay for that service already from usenet.. would pay for that service legitimately (if done right!)
And if the service was about $10 a month (average usenet cost) and average netflix cost.. I could see a lot people paying for that too.. just cause pirating would be too much work! 
Hell, if that service existed I think it's possible "the pirates" might give up the pirating.. 
But the only way to know if that would work is to bring that pig to market.. and the MPAA etc. are too busy in resistance right now to make that step.. but they will make that step in the future.. it is coming..  (has too ) | |
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| Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? said by ophelus:said by r81984:The people who pirate have no interest in purchasing anything. You stop file SHARING and those users will just go without.
I think your wrong.. but only a good product brought to market would prove that.. I think if there was bluray and divx quality rip's of every single movie and tv show.. available.. I think it's possible "us weirdo’s" who pay for that service already from usenet.. would pay for that service legitimately (if done right!) And if the service was about $10 a month ( average usenet cost) and average netflix cost.. I could see a lot people paying for that too.. just cause pirating would be too much work! Hell, if that service existed I think it's possible "the pirates" might give up the pirating.. But the only way to know if that would work is to bring that pig to market.. and the MPAA etc. are too busy in resistance right now to make that step.. but they will make that step in the future.. it is coming.. ( has too ) I file share, but the only way for me to support things I like is buy it - suporting a store - supporting transport company -supporting warehouse and staff -support dvd manufacture -the finally supporting the studio
I emailed a studio before asking if I could just send them money for the show I liked instead of buying a DVD and they said to buy the DVD. If it is stil on TV all you can do is hope some lying ratings system says your show is good as there is no way to pay support to keep the show alive.
These studios need to put "support this show" pay links on their websites so those that like it can directly support the show. It would just be in addition to their current models, at least they could test it with some new shows and see if they get a good return that way.
A small time scifi show that is online only is budgeted from donations. They raised about 100K and had over 3 million downloads. The show's store is pretty good and it is well done.
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·Comcast
| Make it easy to access. I pirate music now, but I'm going to switch to MOG, as I'll be able to easily search, get recommendations, stream to my iPhone, etc. We're better off than we were before, but it's still overpriced and too limited in distribution breadth.
Apple has been hugely successful with legal digital distribution of its software and apps, as well as selling music and movies. | |
| | | ThalerPremium
join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3 | Re: How can legit distribution go to $0 prices? I'll agree to the music part (since most stores are DRM-less these days), but not so much for movies. I currently have to hesitate to buy an online format of such media, as I have no guarantees as to which platforms of mine they might play on. Apple's is very closed market (ie. iTunes/Apple TV or GTFO), but others like Amazon actually seem to *want* their player to be available on many platforms.
Long story short, if I want to buy video in a format that'll play on my computer, console, media player, I need DVD/Bluray. If I'm willing to trade off universal compatibility for convenience, I can pick up an online version. There's just no Steam-esque solution for movies yet. | |
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|  Augustus IIIIf Only Rome Could See Us Now....
join:2001-01-25
Gainesville, GA | said by Linklist:you can't stop piracy, you can only slow it -- and the only way to seriously slow it is to compete with it through lower prices So, how do you compete with $0 prices for those who think everything should cost nothing? who said everything? you make it sound so... meh RIAA troll. shoooooooo | |
| |  JRW2R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, Max and Zen.Premium
join:2004-12-20
La La Land
kudos:5
·Optimum Online
| said by Linklist:you can't stop piracy, you can only slow it -- and the only way to seriously slow it is to compete with it through lower prices and quality distribution services. So, how do you compete with $0 prices for those who think everything should cost nothing? I highlighted the key part you left out...
If what you are alluding to were true, ITunes would have died in its first year..
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@eppg.com |  Piracy forever!
And the only way to even slow it down is for everyone who produces any kind of excellent unique content to offer it at ever-cheaper prices!
Exactly the type of world I want to live in! Thanks for the great news! (rolls eyes)
You know, there are existing copyright laws, and the MPAA and its ilk are within their rights to go after the offenders. It's precisely the creation of more tools to help thieves evade those rights -- which it seems to me is being gleefully pointed out in this piece -- that makes them explore more draconian avenues. | |
| | | i want to pay!!! quote:
the only way to seriously slow it is to compete with it through lower prices and quality distribution services
DAMMIT, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! I ***WANT*** to pay for my entertainment, and i want quality (bittorrent will never be able to legally provide the instant gratification im looking for) but i do NOT need to be raked over the barrel for it. I would HAPPILY pay 1 or 2 dollars to see "commando" or some other 80s flick for 24 hours without owning it. i will NOT pay 4.99 for it to stream over some overpriced service!!!!!
if 10 people stream it for a dollar and you make 10 dollars, thats better than hoping 2 people will do it for 5. IT ONLY MAKES SENSE!!!
COMPETE! You will NEVER censor! | |
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·Velcom
| Re: i want to pay!!! I only torrent the "Linux ISO's" that have never made it to the Canadian market and won't in a reasonable amount of time.
Netflix has a good business model, but I don't like their technical solutions (platform-limited). If I could have integrated them into XBMC on Linux (Linux won't do Microsoft Silverlight), I would have been with them since the early days on the market.
Unfortunately, this pricing model is not open to gouging, so the industry would like to make us forget all about it.
One thing they could do is to give you access to the content 3 weeks after it comes out. If you wanna watch it now, pay a buck and you can watch it. It can also extend to certain sporting events - $2-3 in real time, free tomorrow when everybody knows the score. $5 day pass for the Olympics, but you can watch ANY event you're interested in, not just the crap that the major networks force-feed you in order to ramp up the ad revenue. Last day's events free.
Too bad the industry won't listen to the consumer and will try to bully us into a buttrape relationship instead of establishing fair commerce with us.
I am willing to pay for a usenet service and I do have a metered account with a major provider in addition to a paid account with a reputable search provider.
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
1 edit | I want everything for a reasonable price I do not want some half ass service
I do not want limited devices
I do not want bend over and take it up the ass prices
I do not want a small scope of content.
I want everything, the entire movie vault, the entire TV show vault. All of it on an easy to use netflix style interface on all devices including Linux operating systems with netflix style pricing.
End this control freak bullshit hollywood, Piracy has shown users the light that they do not have to accept your rules. So milk that cash cow with a service that is easier than piracy. Netflix is a very good thing for you, so give them your entire library at very resonable rights because guess what? Netflix is free money, they handle the server costs and you just sit on your asses making money with zero overhead costs
The real point of this post is that Hollywood is not taking the right direction to slow piracy. They seem to not care that there are customer friendly methods to getting more people to pay and that when done right people will in fact pay. | |
|  jgkoltPremium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH | dht What is the difference between this and dht? | |
| | | I was at bestbuy the other day Yup i was at BB, was checking out the Blue rays as i just bought a new 3d tv and blue disk player thingamabob. Anywho was already to go and buy a cool 3d disk and regular disk (avatar 3d and gladiator  .. Bamm 34 dollars for regular avatar (they were out of 3d) I didnt even bother checking on gladiator. Looked at a few more and noticed 35 dinero for Beauty and the Beast 3d.. What the heck. I was out of there, Never going to spend close to 40 dollars for movies that get watched maybe once a year.. Can't imagine what a new release costs.. Any who Hollywood, that is why you can't sell dvd's and blue rays. (I would have paid 15-20 max as i think that is reasonable but close to 40 after taxes.. hell no, that's a gas tank fill up. They are smoking crack up in hollyhills | |
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