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Gripe # 2: Get naked, make bundles worth it
(old news - 01:35PM Thursday Apr 07 2005)
tags: business · Op/Ed
We've been counting down what we believe to be the top ten problems that beset the United States broadband industry, one problem at a time.

Gripe Number Two: Give us Naked DSL, stop ripping off customers who need but one service.

While consumers believe bundles are saving them money, their real purpose is twofold: to make it more difficult for direct price comparisons between providers, and to make changing multiple services such a hassle, you'd rather deal with sub-par service than run the gauntlet.

Consumer advocates state that the best deals - with a few exceptions - are still found when you shop around and buy services individually. While bundle discounts are sold as "perks for faithful customers", unbundled prices are really just inflated to punish those who just want one service.

If you must bundle, make it a real deal. Offer bundle users a discount for their patronage, but don't punish those who refuse. $45-$50 a month for a stand-alone cable-broadband connection or VoIP service is ridiculous.

American Telcos: As your earnings reports clearly indicate, many of us no longer want your local service. Follow the lead of Qwest, and your sister telco to the North: Bell Canada, and offer naked DSL. If we can't get DSL without having to pay more for a local line, we'll be looking to one of your CLEC or cable competitors for service.

Though you may have won a recent victory at the FCC, terminating DSL customers for switching local service - then lying that naked DSL is technically impossible or illegal - is the very definition of sleazy.

PS: Senator McCain got into trouble recently for daring to join the campaign to get cable providers to unbundle their channels. It is about time broadband bundles were added to the national discussion.

#10 : Get out of the slow lane!
#9 : Stop hiding additional fees
#8 : Improved plans are not just for new customers
#7 : Treat technical support more seriously
#6 : Stop trying to kill the messengers
#5 : Fix it right the first time
#4 : Stop the anti-muni broadband campaigns
#3 : Join the battle against malware

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moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD

You forgot one.....

Naked connections (cable included.)

technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA

Re: You forgot one.....

Naked connections are important, and I would pair this along with speed increases, better technical support, and consumer education.

Voyager2K2

join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
·Verizon FIOS

said by moonpuppy See Profile:

Naked connections (cable included.)
No that wouldn't be in line with DSLR's policy of Bell bashing.
Naked cable is like #1,246 or something.

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: You forgot one.....

"Naked Cable" would be unbundled cable, which already exists. They don't force you to take VoIP.

Did you actually read the article? It's talking about cable as well.

Voyager2K2

join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: You forgot one.....

said by Minister See Profile:

"Naked Cable" would be unbundled cable, which already exists. They don't force you to take VoIP.

Did you actually read the article? It's talking about cable as well.
Isn't charging a premium for those who wish cable Internet service without CATV the same thing?
Kinda works out to the same fee (basic telephone VS. non-CATV HSI)
Read down the posts here.

I mean it's still fees being charged for not bundling services.

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: You forgot one.....

quote:
Isn't charging a premium for those who wish cable Internet service without CATV the same thing?
That's exactly what the article talks about, and criticizes the cable industry for it! Yet you slam them (obviously without reading it) for "bell bashing"?

Voyager2K2

join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: You forgot one.....

What's the title of the article?
"Give us Naked DSL, stop ripping off customers who need but one service."

Not "Give us Naked Broadband".
Tell me that's not Bell bashing.
Subtle but it's still there.

Only one reference is made halfway through the article:
"$45-$50 a month for a stand-alone cable-broadband connection or VoIP service is ridiculous."

Typical, so typical.
Ho Hum.

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: You forgot one.....

Another bell apologist, whose panties get in a bind every time this site mentions something they do that's idiotic....

I didn't even realize there were telco fanboys until I came here. I thought it was an NVidia/ATI/Intel/AMD thing.

Go sit at (insert bell)'s newsroom and gobble up their optimistic press releases. Sounds like that's the info you're looking for. Not **gasp** criticism.

More than half the article addresses bundles, which is a cable and DSL issue.

Oh no! This morning I see a Comcast outage story on the front-page. Going to whine they're "cable bashing", fanboy?

Voyager2K2

join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: You forgot one.....

I'm not even old enough to drink, much less understand this complaint, but I'm sure I don't like it!
That explains it all.
Shouldn't you be in school?
FYI This site has a long rich history of Bell bashing stretching back to the last millennia.
Exactly how old were you then?

Matt
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Jamestown, NC
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Re: You forgot one.....

said by Voyager2K2 See Profile:

I'm not even old enough to drink, much less understand this complaint, but I'm sure I don't like it!
That explains it all.
Shouldn't you be in school?
FYI This site has a long rich history of Bell bashing stretching back to the last millennia.
Exactly how old were you then?
And it's well deserved.

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

quote:
FYI This site has a long rich history of Bell bashing stretching back to the last millennia.
Yeah, I see there's also a history of "adware bashing", "cable bandwidth cap bashing", "cable-price hike bashing", "bad cable service bashing", etc.

Do you stomp your feet like a little girl in the comments sections of those stories, too?

Give it a rest, fanboy.

Matt
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said by Voyager2K2 See Profile:

Isn't charging a premium for those who wish cable Internet service without CATV the same thing?
Kinda works out to the same fee (basic telephone VS. non-CATV HSI)
Read down the posts here.

I mean it's still fees being charged for not bundling services.
You can get Road Runner over Earthlink for $41.95/month without Cable.

Yes, I know, Time Warner is the exception, not the rule.

SpitefulCrow
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join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA

Why is this news?

These are complaints that you can find posted on any story on this website. I don't think we need them reposted as news.
cool_coda

join:2004-09-08
Brownsburg, IN

Re: Why is this news?

This top 10 list is a joke.

entropy1
Premium
join:2002-09-25

Re: Why is this news?

Agreed.

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: Why is this news?

Yeah OMG Where's "Fr33 War3z" in this list!

I'm not even old enough to drink, much less understand this complaint, but I'm sure I don't like it!

/sarcasm
Ga Dawg

join:2003-09-11
Marietta, GA

Re: Why is this news?

said by Minister See Profile:

Yeah OMG Where's "Fr33 War3z" in this list!
Well, they haven't gotten to #1 yet.

thender2
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Staten Island, NY

said by cool_coda See Profile:

This top 10 list is a joke.
I agree.

Unless #1 is "no more transfer limits unless properly documented and with details visibile while purchasing the package", this list means NOTHING to me.

If actually backing up your claims of progress(higher speeds) isn't important, then what is?
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Re: Why is this news?

said by thender2 See Profile:

said by cool_coda See Profile:

This top 10 list is a joke.
I agree.

Unless #1 is "no more transfer limits unless properly documented and with details visibile while purchasing the package", this list means NOTHING to me.

If actually backing up your claims of progress(higher speeds) isn't important, then what is?
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... how about posting your *non-joke* version of top-ten here ...
... you already mentioned one ... let the other nine be known also ...
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seaman
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join:2000-12-08
Seattle, WA

said by SpitefulCrow See Profile:

These are complaints that you can find posted on any story on this website. I don't think we need them reposted as news.
Your right. This isnt news. It is an on-going feature commentary or article. I suspect the purpose of which is to inform the *average* visitor to BBR (not the telco professional or everyday broadband news junkie). As an IT person who doesnt spend much time monitoring the telco industry I have appreciated the author's discussion of some of the major hurdles facing *average* broadband consumers. Please dont drop in on a thread just to drop negative comments. Please keep in mind that it is much harder to actually produce something than it is to critique it.

owndering

@comcast.net

It costs more that this!

"$45-$50 a month for a stand-alone cable-broadband connection or VoIP service is ridiculous."

HEH! that is what it costs for internet with their stupid TV discount!

For comcast it is just under $60 for internet alone and that is for the basic tier.

You are right about the ridiculous part though.

The only decent bundling I have seen was from WOW, but they are such a small company that they won't change the way things are done on anything other than a neighborhood level.
And that is if they are known about.

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: It costs more that this!

If I recall, Time Warner charged something close to that until Earthlink started undercutting them and actually offering a cheaper stand-alone connection! In that case only the fact that they were forced - as part of the AOL merger - to share their lines brought the prices down. And it's still $45.
markopoleo

join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO

Preach it!

What makes it so funny is I don't even have a TV cause i don't watch TV! lol Get a clue Charter and everyone else! $10 extra month for someone who does not care about TV itself is dumb.

nuff said!

cork1958
Cork

join:2000-02-26
Fruitport, MI
·Verizon Online DSL
·Charter Pipeline

Re: Preach it!

said by markopoleo See Profile:

What makes it so funny is I don't even have a TV cause i don't watch TV! lol Get a clue Charter and everyone else! $10 extra month for someone who does not care about TV itself is dumb.

nuff said!
Yeah! That's an absolutely rediculous charge Charter adds on. Punish a customer for using only half of their stuff versus none at all. If that option was available!!
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diehardspeed
Premium
join:2003-05-14
Salt Lake City, UT

What about Cable?

Ummm well since DSL is not even available at all where I am. I don't see how this is #2

Finally have cable but well, they have no competition so I really have no choice!

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: What about Cable?

quote:
What about Cable?
RTFA!

TheSaint

join:2002-01-25
Hanover Park, IL
clubs:

Re: What about Cable?

Charter can you hear us Internet only subscribers? See sig for details.

$50 for Internet only is a scam, if only the DSL/FFTx was available in this area!
Estragon

join:2003-06-20
Greenville, NH
·Fairpoint Communic..
·MV Communications,..

What about Dialup?

If you are stuck in dialup hell, then all of #10 through #2 are irrelevant!

J D McDorce
Premium
join:2001-12-29
Westland, MI

Provider/Location Specific Pricing

$45-$50 a month for a stand-alone cable-broadband connection or VoIP service is ridiculous.

In my location, residential stand-alone cable-broadband runs $39.99 to $54.99 per month from one provider and $57.95 to $67.95 per month from the other (pricing for both providers is without modem rental). There are both provider-specific and location-specific influences on the stand-alone rates for cable broadband.

Short of Federal Regulation of Broadband, I'm not really certain of the mechanism to enable "Naked DSL" in all areas or eliminate higher pricing of stand-alone cable broadband and stand-alone DSL. With any luck, the Supreme Court's pending ruling on Brand-X may offer some insight into the Court's opinion of current law and regulation with respect to broadband.

P Ness
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join:2001-08-29
Mineola, NY
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Re: Provider/Location Specific Pricing

all these people bashing the list but do not propose their own "uber list" because they know it all don't ya!!

just like Social Security bashers...bash the plan...don't give options...

lol
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Senator in trouble?

He's a Senator. THEY CAN'T get in trouble with speech or doctrine. The only people in the country who have absolute immunity of free speech are members of Congress. They can stand up and say "fuck" repetitively until a cloture movement ends it.
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FCC insults consumers by not backing 'naked DSL'

»www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercuryn···7576.htm

Posted on Mon, Apr. 04, 2005

FCC insults consumers by not backing 'naked DSL'

"This wouldn't be a problem if the market for broadband Internet access were vibrant and competitive. But it is not. In much of the country, consumers have one or two viable broadband choices. So phone companies, which lobbied hard for the FCC order, can get away with forcing phone service on their broadband customers.

What makes the fully-clothed DSL order all the more obscene is that there was no sound reason for it. There are no technical impediments to telephone companies offering a DSL line free from phone service. And there are no economic reasons why tying the two products together makes sense. In fact, the order's only purpose is to extend the lucrative monopoly enjoyed by local telephone companies."

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Phoenix__1

join:2003-07-17
Holyoke, MA

Naked DSL, Fiber, and Cable is a good thing

The more options people have, the better. Just because I have DSL, doesn't mean I want or need phone service. Maybe I'll use a cell phone or maybe I'll make the move to VoIp. The choice should be left to the consumer and we shouldn't have to pya more if we make that choice.

I do not hide the fact that I didn't like Comcast. But charing someone 60.95 because they do not have cable TV is nuts. In order to have the discounted DSL, I must have a 26.00 phone service. My DSL would be 40.00 without it & I still would have to pay the added 13.00 just to get their lowest plan (53.00 total).

Nothing would have made me more happy, then to have my DSL and VoIp. But as seeing as I'm already paying for phone service.... *sigh*
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Nextstep

join:2003-05-10
Beaumont, CA

Ok here is your naked DSL

Cable internet cost around $50

Naked DSL Should cost = $50

Dont think that you will get Naked DSL from SBC/Verizon/Bell South for $19 a month. You get that price now beacuse you also pay $20 for the voice line.

I vote for Naked DSL for $45 (cheaper than cable). Yeah I own telco stock and no I will not vote to go Naked DSL unless the price of DSL goes up to around $50 like cable.

ninjaturtle1

join:2003-10-21
Fremont, CA

BBR

Instead of griping BBR, why not just start your own telco, cable company and BB provider.

ripper er up

@pacbell.n

FREE

Why don't we just force competitive business to give away totally free service so no one in this forum has anything to complain about. of course the service may not be reliable when it's bankrupt but for a couple of months it would be great. these companies have already 1. reduced Staff, 2. outsourced support, 3. reduced quality of products therby reducing reliability. 4. are running away from as much liablility as possible. all to lower your service price to $20-30 bucks a month. I can imagine the "normal" user attempting to install Naked DSL when they can't even install a filter properly on a bundled line with dialtone on it. all you propellerheads I'm sure wont mind investing in elaborate testing equipment to detect the broadband signals on all your inside wiring/cables so i'm sure Naked dsl works for everyone in this forum. reducing the overhead of these products have caused more frustration than anything else... So go ahead and strip it down so it has no value...

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: FREE

Ooooo. Somebody made the poor Pac-Bell employee ANGWY.

nekote

join:2000-12-16
Hopkinton, MA

Naked = Unbundled

Naked = Unbundled


XBL2009
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join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL

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Don't hold your breath !

Your asking a large monopoly to do something that is not in their favor. Don't hold your breath.

A corrupt Democracy is no better then a Dictatorship.

bugle533

join:2004-06-16
Schaumburg, IL

Re: Don't hold your breath !

said by XBL2009 See Profile:

Your asking a large monopoly to do something that is not in their favor. Don't hold your breath.

A corrupt Democracy is no better then a Dictatorship.
Try explaining that one to the Jewish population.

ripper er up

@pacbell.n

FREE and Naked

NO ...NAKED means without dialtone. not an employee, former propellerhead ...with a point of that isn't yours. Imagine that
haplo2112

join:2003-05-12
Charlton, MA

Where is #1?

I expected it Monday? Its now Wednesday?

whamel
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join:2002-05-09
Clarendon Hills, IL


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Qwest's naked...

...DSL is really good, if you are "lucky" to be served by Qwest. We just got a 2nd DSL line for our business account and it is run on a dry pair, no POTS on the line. So we have one shared line (POTS & DSL) and one naked line (dry pair). I can't wait until they implement the speed upgrades. Really, this post was just to brag...
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