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| A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be gone... Before everybody jumps in and says this sucks, "they're going to take my DVR away" like they do EVERYTIME TWCs Start Over service is mentioned...
A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be removed from your home.
This can be in addition to the DVR in your home for the TVs with or without a hardware DVR connected. You can still keep your Tivo or other DVR if you want to.
It's an ADDED service, not a replacement for the equipment in your home, if you don't want it to be.
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hopeflicker
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| Re: A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be gone... said by MacLeech  :It's an ADDED service, not a replacement for the equipment in your home, if you don't want it to be. For how long though?
And of course you'll be able to keep our TIvO, but what about those that rent their DVR?
Im sure that they will eventually go away.
Thank god for PVR's
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MacLeech
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| Re: A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be gone... said by hopeflicker :said by MacLeech :It's an ADDED service, not a replacement for the equipment in your home, if you don't want it to be. For how long though? For as long as there is enough demand for them to cover the costs. | |
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| Um, can you tell me the difference between the DVR and PVR? | |
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cdru
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| Re: A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be gone... said by fiberguy :Um, can you tell me the difference between the DVR and PVR? They often can be used interchangeably, but there is a difference. A PVR is a DVR, but a DVR isn't necessarily a PVR. DVRs just record things digitally. Think just a digital version of a VCR. A PVR includes that functionality, but also includes a program guide, scheduling, alternatives, etc that enhances the DVR functionality. Most DVRs on the market are also PVRs. | |
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hopeflicker
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| Re: A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be gone... said by cdru :said by fiberguy :Um, can you tell me the difference between the DVR and PVR? They often can be used interchangeably, but there is a difference. A PVR is a DVR, but a DVR isn't necessarily a PVR. DVRs just record things digitally. Think just a digital version of a VCR. A PVR includes that functionality, but also includes a program guide, scheduling, alternatives, etc that enhances the DVR functionality. Most DVRs on the market are also PVRs. Yes, they are generally used interchangeably. However, from what i hear a PVR is usually home built
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cdru
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| Re: A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be gone... said by hopeflicker :Yes, they are generally used interchangeably. However, from what i hear a PVR is usually home built I don't think I've heard PVR used specifically for home built or COTS. Dish Network had the DishPVR 5xx, 7xx and 9xx series recorders. | |
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| Re: A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be gone... PVR = Personal Video Recorder
DVR = Digital Video Recorder
They are the same thing..
Someone said that a DVR just records while the PVR has a guide.. that's not correct.. it's just what people call them.
Dish calls them the PVR but has a guide, so does Tivo and they are called a DVR. What cable has are "DVR" boxes and they most certainly have guides in them.
I asked the question tongue in cheek as I already know what they are. 
I'm also replying here, to your post, as it's the last in the thread to cover the whole set of replies. | |
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KrK
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| said by fiberguy :Um, can you tell me the difference between the DVR and PVR? YES!!! You big silly! One has the letter "D" at the start of it's name, and the other has a "P"!!
:P :P
Lol. In all seriousness, they are exactly the same, pretty much. Some just prefer the different names... "Digital Video Recorder" or "Personal Video Recorder". They are basically different names for the same device.
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be gone... Good answer!! D and P... I just thought the P was an incompleted D  | |
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cdru
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| Re: A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be gone... said by fiberguy :Good answer!! D and P... I just thought the P was an incompleted D P went on a diet and lost the waistline, but still has a pretty busty chest. | |
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cdru
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| said by MacLeech :It's an ADDED service, not a replacement for the equipment in your home, if you don't want it to be. Presuming you are only renting the CableCo's hardware and don't have your own Tivo or equivilent, it's only an ADDED service as long as the cable company wants it to be. Since Time Warner owns the cable box that they provided, if they want to get rid of it and provide you with a different one, there is nothing stopping them.
If you own your own Tivo or equivilent, then things are different...but also don't expect your Tivo to be compatible with the network DVR either. | |
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| Re: A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be gone... said by cdru :said by MacLeech :It's an ADDED service, not a replacement for the equipment in your home, if you don't want it to be. Presuming you are only renting the CableCo's hardware and don't have your own Tivo or equivilent, it's only an ADDED service as long as the cable company wants it to be. Since Time Warner owns the cable box that they provided, if they want to get rid of it and provide you with a different one, there is nothing stopping them. ... If they ever decide to take away the hardware DVRs they will wait until all of them are broken, because otherwise they are looking at 2 options - send techs to every house that has one to replace it with a new box, or suffer the hordes of angry customers in walkin centers to replace their boxes. | |
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punker
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clubs: | as long as i can skip ad's(THAT IS THE POINT OF AN DVR) WITH NO LAG
as the current on demand SUCKS DUE to the LAG time 5 to 10 seconds lag time and the end less amout of Purchase Error. all the damn time | |
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MacLeech
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| Re: A Network DVR does NOT mean a Hardware DVR will be gone... said by punker : as long as i can skip ad's(THAT IS THE POINT OF AN DVR) WITH NO LAG as the current on demand SUCKS DUE to the LAG time 5 to 10 seconds lag time and the end less amout of Purchase Error. all the damn time Then you should probably keep you hardware DVR for now. | |
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sousademiami
join:2003-02-04
Miami, FL | No, the point of a DVR is to "time shift" shows. Skipping commercials is just a convenient byproduct.
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clubs: | caps.. Watch the cable companies impose a network cap for uploading DVR content like they do with internet services..
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Lindenhurst, NY | Re: caps.. Not every cablecompany does the capping anymore. So far its seems like cablevision removed the caps and uploading restrictions that they once had. | |
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| fiberguy
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| said by Defiance82 :Watch the cable companies impose a network cap for uploading DVR content like they do with internet services.. Feel better?
Now what exactly are you trying to accomplish here? Be cute? add a valid point to the discussion? Or did you just pull from the talking points memo of one liners? | |
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S_engineer
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Chicago, IL | Entertainment Industry.... Once again trying to penalize the people and technology that patronize it. When will they learn?
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@rnetworx.com | please clarify When they say network DVR, do they mean on that will interface with other DVR's and share data and programs?
Or do they mean the TWC DVR that I have now? | |
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baineschile1
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| Reinventing the Wheel Notwithstanding the subject matter has already been decided in the famous 1976 Betamax case that has already established time shifting is Fair Use, this networked DVR noise from the entertainment cos. is just another rung on the same ladder in the battle for the ability to time shift. They're using copyright as an obfuscation to prohibit what has already been established as a right. | |
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djrobx
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Valencia, CA | Fairly quickly? Time Warner doesn't do anything "quickly". | |
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MacLeech
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| Re: Fairly quickly? said by djrobx :Time Warner doesn't do anything "quickly". Yeah, meaning of the title is a bit different then what was actually written in the article.
The BBR article title said: "Time Warner Would Quickly Deploy Network DVR if Allowed"
The BBR article said: "Time Warner believes that it would be possible to deploy network DVR fairly quickly "
The article BBR summerized said: "Britt said that Time Warner has developed much of the technology underlying the network DVR – as is evident by its Start Over and Look Back services – and as a result it could deploy a network DVR “fairly quickly."
So it's POSSIBLE to deploy quickly, not it WILL deploy it quickly. It's possible because TWC already has a limited form of network DVR in it's "Start Over" and "Look Back" services available in a number of its systems.
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join:2007-09-17 | Well they are the first major one to do switched digital video.
I'd rather keep my local DVR with 750GB drive attached. Am also able to record to PC over firewire. | |
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TW_SUCKS
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| said by djrobx :Time Warner doesn't do anything "quickly". I agree. The TWC DVR still doesn't support saving the position of a program stopped in progress.
They are still the only major cable company not to offer GolTV. | |
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GoodDog
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Goshen, NY | Re: Fairly quickly? said by TW_SUCKSI agree. The TWC DVR still doesn't support saving the position of a program stopped in progress.
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Not sure I follow, I can resume a program at the spot I stoped watching. | |
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GoodDog
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| Bandwidth Does TWC have the bandwidth to support a network based DVR? When I watch a program on demand, the show often stops and starts I assume because of bandwidth issues. Add the numerous programs that would be streaming in a network DVR environment how can they do this and maintain quality? | |
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Rex
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| Makes me nervous These types of shifts always make me nervous as they seem to take power and control away from the end user and place it into the hands of the company. I know you don't really own your DVR or the programs on it, but there is a sense of control there and a feeling that it is "mine". Taking it away and placing all programs on a distant server that could be removed at a click of a mouse is unsettling to me. It's the same reason I regard digital distribution with suspicion. How can I actually own a movie if I don't hold the physical media that it's on in my own hands? | |
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Time Warner Would Quickly Deploy Network DVR if Allowed