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join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ | Meanwhile... Not a peep from Cablevision about this. Maybe Cablevision should be fined even a little amount of money to make them get the ball rolling. | |
|  | cgar
join:2006-06-26
Lewis Center, OH | Re: Meanwhile... So do you have to have TIVO to use this or will it work with just my tv & cablecard? | |
| | | magnushsi
join:2002-11-06
Cedar Springs, MI | Re: Meanwhile... This is currently only for Tivo's. They screamed the loudest. | |
| | fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| said by Jmartz  :Not a peep from Cablevision about this. Maybe Cablevision should be fined even a little amount of money to make them get the ball rolling. Why? Has Cablevision deployed SDV already and knocked off Tivo boxes... and.. not told the franchise authority they were making the change ahead of time? (assuming that their franchise required that kind of notice) | |
| bugabuga
join:2004-06-10
Austin, TX |  Supposedly November
But then older rumors were claiming earlier in 2008 and blah-blah-blah damn you stupid Tivo HD  | |
| Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | 100% free or free + $2-3+ /M 100% free or free + $2-3+ /M + cable card rent? | |
| | magnushsi
join:2002-11-06
Cedar Springs, MI | Re: 100% free or free + $2-3+ /M I would suspect the M-Card rent won't change, only the TA will be free. | |
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MacLeech
The one and only
Premium,MVM
join:2001-07-14
SoCal
edit:
October 26th, @07:43PM
| Tivo's are crippled, not CableCARDs. said by Karl Bode :
Unfortunately, the upgrades to the two-way technology have crippled one way CableCARDs for many customers...
Funny... SDV didn't cripple the CableCARDs. The "tuning resolvers" are not replacing the CableCARDs, the same CableCARDs are still needed. CableCARDs are the security keys, not the transmitters.
SDV highlighted the UDCP equipment the cards were installed into were manufactured crippled to begin with. The "tuning resolvers" are adding the transmitters, related electronics, and software that weren't built-in to the UDCP equipment, like Tivo.
Why aren't more people PISSED at Tivo and the other electronics makers for sitting on their hands and not building there equipment to the same standards that Cisco, Motorola, Samsung, and Panasonic have which allows their equipment to work with SDV?
Tivo announced they'd make an OpenCable compatible unit back in Nov. 2007, where is it?
BTW, the FCC basically fined Cox and TWC for uncompetitive behavior when they moved channels onto technology not supported by the UDCP equipment the FCC had hoped would increase competition. Since none of that UDCP equipment supports MPEG-4, 512/1024QAM, frequencies above 860 MHz, or IPTV, will the FCC fine cable companies for rolling out any of that technology too? The tuning resolvers won't allow most of that either, so how long will the FCC fine cable companies for deploying new technology?
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| | rv65
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join:2008-08-02 | Re: Tivo's are crippled, not CableCARDs. A tru2way Tivo will likely be the Series 4. That model is going to debut at CES. | |
| | rv65
Premium
join:2008-08-02
| Ok this saga actually are the cable companies and cable labs. There are 2 technologies for 2 way cablecards. 1 is DCR+ and the other is OCAP/tru2way. DCR+ was a bunch of low cost protocols for Digital Cable. CableLabs with a few other CE companies supported OCAP. OCAP is a bit more complicated since it uses a Java environment. Cableco's want OCAP to be a complete interactive experience while DCR+ would be outdated. Plus Cableco's are already implementing OCAP so they would also have to implement DCR+. Even Sony is going OCAP/tru2way.
Actually you should blame the FCC and Cable labs for DCR. If Tivo made an OCAP DVR about now it could only have a cableco UI. They had to compromise and have a tivo UI that supports SDV and a recordless Cableco UI for 2 way services.
It was a battle but the Cableco's and the Cablelabs are both fighting together.
The Tuning resolver is just a modem that runs in tandem with the tivo's tuner. | |
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Vchat20
Landing is the REAL challenge
join:2003-09-16
Warren, OH
| 100% agreed. I've been throwing this point out there for a while how the likes of Tivo and co. have dragged their feet on this. All it would have taken was to install at MOST a generic Docsis/DNCS transmitter in the box and push a software update when SDV finally rolled around.
Sadly, all the tivo fanboys start crawling out of the woodwork and defending them like $deity itself with random unrelated garbage.
SDV's been in development for quite a while now and with two-way functionality like VOD being around much longer than mainstream cablecard devices, you'd think two-way cablecard capable devices should have become the norm.
*sigh* All about the few measely cents saved per device. 
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RickNY
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join:2000-11-02
New York
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| Re: Tivo's are crippled, not CableCARDs. said by Vchat20 :All it would have taken was to install at MOST a generic Docsis/DNCS transmitter in the box and push a software update when SDV finally rolled around. Yeah, never mind about the silly CableLabs certification that Tivo would be required to get - and that CableLabs wasn't giving them. | |
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MacLeech
The one and only
Premium,MVM
join:2001-07-14
SoCal
| Re: Tivo's are crippled, not CableCARDs. said by RickNY :Yeah, never mind about the silly CableLabs certification that Tivo would be required to get - and that CableLabs wasn't giving them. You have to make the equipment to spec first, then submit the equipment. If it passes the testing, then the equipment EARNS certification, it's not something freely given out.
Then again, although I'm not really sure of the particulars, it may have been possible that the equipment could've been built to spec (especially the hardware requirements) and released with limited functionality (i.e. no active 2-way) before it was fully certified. Once certified, the additional features can be activated through a software update. Modem makers do this pretty often, release pre-cert gear that is, and get additional features activated later. | |
| | | | | magnushsi
join:2002-11-06
Cedar Springs, MI
| Re: Tivo's are crippled, not CableCARDs. To second that, there is nothing stating Tivo or any CE vendors have to get cable labs certification. It just makes sense if they want support from cable labs on interacting with other vendors. Many devices have been released into the wild without CL certs. | |
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