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join:2001-08-02
 ·Comcast
 ·AT&T Midwest
| I'm I missing something here? I just don't understand Comcast and Time Warner..their wanting to bring these faster speeds yet they'll cap you and even throw you off their network or better yet not let you USE the speeds.
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Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: I'm I missing something here? It's about marketing. | |
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Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: I'm I missing something here? I would think that like DSL and their cheap deals, cable could get more than 2X the subs at the $30 price than at the $70 price. Make less per sub and make it up in volume. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: I'm I missing something here? I've downloaded ISOs on my 3Mbps/512kbps (2.5Mbps throughput) connection over the years, and uploaded them as well. I don't do it often, but I do download it.
It all depends on what you consider the 'AVERAGE' user to be, and how often do you download those 2GB demos?
Someone that's doing email, google, youtube, IM and a few other things, or a gamer, developer, system admin, etc. that makes 'full' use out of a connection at times.
Bit Torrent is probably one of the few apps that make full use of a connection, and which is why ISP's don't care for it, especially on the last mile / node.
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Sterling
IP Support Tier III
Premium
join:2003-05-30
Pittsburgh, PA
| Your just a little confused, comcast is no where near 5 gb cap and its not really a cap, your only hit if you consecutively go on bender two months in a row it seems, seems to vary by market; verizon can afford to do that because they own a decent amount of pipes between one place to another, while we are dependent on level3 for most of the transport.
Its one thing to move 500gb from Pittsburgh to wheeling when theres less cost over run from owning that part of network. it would be similar to using solar for 70% of your needs versus 100% from a power company. Even thou theres no real cost, theres still the cost of maintainance and upgrades. | |
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VZ FiOS
@verizon.net
| Re: Time for the flip flop How right you are...I am so glad that I have FiOS available and I am taking full advantage of it!
It is a shame that the cable companies are increasing speeds only to restrict the amount of freedom that users have on their networks by applying bandwidth caps and stricter traffic shaping. | |
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Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Time for the flip flop Then cable operators like Time Warner turn around and mislead potential subscribers with billboards claiming "Fiber Optic Fast Internet" when it's not. | |
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nukscull
@rr.com
| Re: Time for the flip flop said by Dogfather  :Then cable operators like Time Warner turn around and mislead potential subscribers with billboards claiming "Fiber Optic Fast Internet" when it's not. That all depends on the definition of "Fiber Optic Fast Internet." I know plenty of fiber connections that are only 10mbit maximum. And I know plenty that are 10gbit and 40gbit.
And technically, without fiber in their network, cable companies could not deliver any of the speeds that exist now. So while their choice of words leaves something to be desired, it doesn't make it any less valid. | |
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fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
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join:2001-05-25
Limbo | Re: Time for the flip flop Symantics and splitting hairs to make a special-case claim. It would be more accurate if Time Warner changed that slogan to "Poorly-Implemented-Fiber-Optic Fast Internet". But why clarify when they can mislead? | |
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Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Yeah but in the case of FTTH providers like Verizon you actually get to USE the connection. | |
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nukscull
@rr.com
| Re: Time for the flip flop said by Dogfather :Yeah but in the case of FTTH providers like Verizon you actually get to USE the connection. Well, technically, no. The fiber comes all the way to your house, but then it is still converted to copper ethernet and/or coax.
You're using the fiber just as much as a cable customer is using the fiber. Your data and your TV are going on the fiber, but you don't interface directly with it. | |
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join:2008-05-01 | We just need more ADSL2+ providers. There is one in maine that has 20/1. | |
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jnemesh
join:2008-04-30
Kenmore, WA | Capped access So at 200Mbps, you can hit your capped limit even faster! What a benefit! | |
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Re: Capped access said by jnemesh :So at 200Mbps, you can hit your capped limit even faster! What a benefit! Take your pick of bad apple ideas, that or... $1 per gigabyte, might as well make it $4 per gigabyte.. hey, gas is four bucks a gallon, why not gigabytes? | |
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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join:2001-03-28
Kansas City, MO
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·RoadRunner Cable
| TWC has independent divisions... ...unlike Comcrap and VZ, etc..
In other words, a place like NYC, with heavy competition from Cablevision and Verizon, won't be seeing caps like East Texas is testing.
And calling Fios "uncapped" is a bit of a false statement. It's capped all the time. Even at 100mbps it's still capped...
I can assure you, TWC will battle it out with FIOS in straight speed battle, with unlimited transfers.
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Corona, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
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June 3rd, @08:11PM
| Re: TWC has independent divisions... err, the 'capping' being talked about here is the transfer caps Time Warner has been testing in certain markets. In fact, there was only recently an article of this site, and the A.P., confirming the plans. We all know internet tiers are capped in terms of speed, we don't need to be reminded of THAT. | |
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RCN Docsis 30
@mindspring.com | RCN will be out of business and no Docsis 3.0 upgrades?
With TWC at Docsis 3.0 in New York City, RCN is DEAD WITHOUT EQUAL OR FASTER PIPE at a better price point! | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: TWC has independent divisions... When TWC introduces caps in NYC, RCN will have booming business aslong as no FIOS around (which is 4 or more years away for lots of NYC). | |
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watice
@verizon.net
| Re: TWC has independent divisions... said by patcat88 :When TWC introduces caps in NYC, RCN will have booming business aslong as no FIOS around (which is 4 or more years away for lots of NYC). 4 more years man? Don't say that. I've seen a few of your post and you seem to be really accurate @ the nyc stuff, this is just horrible news. I was thinking 1 year max for SI to get done, then Queens.
Oh well I'll take docsis3.0 in the meantime. Kind of makes you regret not signing those 2 year price reduction contracts Time Warner sent out to keep you from switching to FIOS. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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| Re: TWC has independent divisions... The only issue with RCN is, they went bankrupt before they could build their network out to all of NYC. Northwest Queens has it, and scattered apt buildings throughout Queens. Nowadays RCN only builds out to large Apt buildings where they get contracts with landlords. In my visual observation of RCN's HFC network vs TW's HFC network in Astoria, they do have a higher node density and fiber is deeper (coax being paralleled by fiber) than TW. Remember TW is an older network that probably initially didn't have fiber (built late 1980s) and only in the early-mid 1990s did they fiber it I think. Also obviously as TW's HFC network was built conservativly before the internet and VOD age, node density is lower than RCN which built their network as combined HFC and MAN/Private Line/Enterprise Fiber since day 1 and included provisions for lots of fiber. | |
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SauceMaster
join:2004-08-01
Kokomo, IN
·AT&T Midwest
 ·Vonage
| Those caps are too small The Time Warner caps are too small and the overage price is pretty high also. I know Comcast was thinking of a 250gig cap which is more than fair , in fact most users would never use that in 1 month. I have had AT&T DSL for several months now and although it is slower than Comcast , I'm happy with my 6meg package and the price is nice also. | |
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chlen
Ethically Challenged
Premium
join:2001-01-16
Albany, NY | my .02 i have 15/1 TW RR snd it has no caps, it is 44.95 with cable tv, or 49.95 with out. i never heard a thing about caps, this are has spotty fios, but not in the city Albany, just thre suburbs, tw has virtually no competition. Fios has no tv. | |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Corona, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: my .02 Who told you FiOS has no TV? In areas where it has the appropriate franchise agreements and manages to fight off pressure from cable, Verizon has been offering FiOS TV for a LONG time.
As to the caps, don't worry about them till your first $100 internet bill comes rolling in... | |
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chlen
Ethically Challenged
Premium
join:2001-01-16
Albany, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: my .02 said by a333 :Who told you FiOS has no TV? In areas where it has the appropriate franchise agreements and manages to fight off pressure from cable, Verizon has been offering FiOS TV for a LONG time. As to the caps, don't worry about them till your first $100 internet bill comes rolling in... verizon does not offer tv in my are via fios, and will not in the foreseable future, as tw has a city franchise agreement till '12
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Cable is Dead The greedy bastards just don't know it yet.
90's thinking in the 21st century.
Too bad their stockholders are just as techno-dumb as they are.
By the time cable figures it out it's going to be way, way too late.
I remember when Justin was preaching cable was king after his DSL troubles 7 or 8 years ago.
I laughed then and I am still laughing.
Adelphia was my provider in the 90's and now I have Fios.
Adelphia represented an extreme that is the model for all MSOs.
Hell yeah I am laughing. Every single time I see a MSO shoot themselves in the foot I chuckle and you better believe it. | |
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Anon123654
@rr.com
| Caps are too low With over-the-air digital TV on the horizon (mandated switch to digital), this seems like a stupid move right now.
I know several people at work that have used the digital TV broadcasts in the area, and are very happy with the results. We normally get at most 10 usable channels using analog TV. With digital TV, many are reporting they get 30 very good quality channels from as far away as 50 miles.
I'm seriously considering eliminating cable TV since I do not watch that much TV. Going with over-the-air digital TV, and a cheaper Internet provider is a viable option for me. As more people experience the over-the-air digital TV option it wouldn't surprise me if others use that option.
Yep, cap my bandwidth and see if that influences my decision. | |
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cap sux
@rr.com | drop if cap. I will drop timewarner in a heart beat if they implement cap on the connection.
I hate verizon a lot, but at least it's not cap. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| what is a cap? Keep in mind there are several definitions of caps.
1. Provision cap (set by the speed tier you buy)
issue: you may or may not be able to transfer at this speed depending upon technology used, node congestion & other factors.. more of an issue with shared cablemodems than FIOS or properly conditioned DSL lines. The internet as well may be congested so, the uneducated internet user may not be able to tell WHICH is happening and WHEN (or WHY for that matter).
2. Peak time throttling / Bandwidth management behind the last mile. This can involve packet rejection, RST, delayed or not loading web pages, and in extreme cases blocked content. ALL carriers do one or more of the above to some extent to manage costs (INCLUDING VERIZON FIOS & BUSINESS CLASS QOS ACCOUNTS). Some of this has to do with peering arrangements & other things that help them not pay huge tier-1 bandwidth charges for data transport. Hint: the more you pay for your bandwidth, the less inclined they are to do this to you.
3. Byte management. Latest scheme to manage costs on the backs of consumers. This is probably the most invasive of solutions to the consumer because the company is chomping at the bit to either: a. terminate high usage accounts. b. charge OVERAGE penalties such as cell phone wireless minute plans (aka bill by the byte plans). c. slow your bandwidth tier down to a crawl as punishment for too much usage (FAP), which dialup, satellite & wireless broadband carriers are/were very good at.
While nobody is expecting TWC to start billing by the byte (NY Metro) when they have an inferior infrastructure (relax, I'm just talking about last mile) to FIOS as it stands today. What the consumer should expect to happen is for Docsis 3.0 to begin delivering 50 megabits to the home with comparable QOS as FIOS, provided TWC doesn't do it on the cheap, which they have been hinting at along with press releases for bill by the byte experiments. No doubt they will try to get by with the least amount of upgrades and enhancements as possible, and you the consumer should demand parity considering the prices are very similar. This will egg Verizon on to introduce higher speeds as well (100mbit, finally).
You the consumer will have the choice. No doubt both companies will let you test drive the service for 30 days risk free to see which is better (once it's available). For now it's a deployment race. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Watch no cap for NY TW knows they can compate with FiOS is they have a cap especially one as low as 40 GB. So you'll see no cap for NY. | |
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neufuse
join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL
| wait... caps as low as 5GB? Somehow each day I pull 0.15GB in just network traffic (ARP, Routing, ICMP, Pings, all that stuff)... If I had a 5GB cap I'd use that up doing absoutly nothing at all! On comcast, they seem to be streaming me a constant 2KB stream of routing data! | |
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