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You can keep the "change"
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | TW Wasn't this the company that bought AOL? I reckon they aint too bright out in them there parts. | |
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join:2008-03-25
Canton, OH
| Re: TW Yes and no. AOL was bought more for the media aspects of it at the time than to be a companion for the cable division. So in a way it was bought by the exec at Time Warner not Time Warner Cable (a different division). Also, note that Time Warner Cable is about to be spun off of Time Warner into its own company. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Re: TW Yes and no.
America Online, Inc., the country's largest ISP, acquired Time Warner Inc., primarily for its media properties, and renamed itself AOL Time Warner. In the merger, AOL also got control of Time Warner Cable, but restrictions were put in place (including allowing Earthlink to act as ISP) to prevent AOL from dominating broadband like it did dial-up. However, AOL shareholders owned 55% of the new company.
As it turned out, AOL's stock was greatly inflated due to the dot-com boom, and the company's value collapsed. The old Time Warner (inc. its cable arm, but also Warner Bros., Time Inc., etc.) became the most relevant part of the company, and later AOL was dropped from the name.
Now, the remnants of AOL, which never recovered, are a huge weight on Time Warner, which is trying to sell them off. As you stated, they're also spinning off TWC, in an effort to make the company simpler. (the argument being that Time Warner is too complicated and confuses investors) | |
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@rr.com | Actually it was the other way around. AOL bought Time Warner. At least try to get it right. | |
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punker
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join:2004-06-21
Palmdale, CA
clubs:
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| well if we have your shitty cableTV
there should be no CAP
there is allways
leeching off a open AP 
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join:2006-10-24
Owensboro, KY | Re: well if its "shitty" why do u still have it? | |
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Premium
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Costa Mesa, CA | Re: well It's "you" not "u". Get your fucking grammar right. | |
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join:2006-10-24
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| Re: well said by Weatherlover  :It's "you" not "u". Get your fucking grammar right. Oh, it's funny you didn't mention punker's "allways" or "a open AP"
Some of us type "shorthand". Sorry if some of us aren't typing properly for you to understand what we're saying. I apologize for all of us.
»Re: [TWC] Outage again
and maybe "mesa" should be capitalized and "effing" isn't a word... | |
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MY HEAD A SPLODE
Premium
join:2003-06-13
Manchester, NH | "you" is 2 more bytes than "u". We're just trying to stay within our caps!  | |
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join:1999-08-30
Brooklyn, NY
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| This is why TWC is going out of business in NYC FIOS is going to crush them wherever it's deployed. Good riddance to companies that refuse to upgrade their infrastructure and instead try to squeeze their existing customers dry.
40GB caps with a 10Mbit/sec connection? Good lord. On my 50mb/20mb FIOS connection, I used 30-42GB downloading AppleTV HD movie rentals in a few days, each movie being 4-6GB a pop.
Let alone regular downloading, torrents, video streaming, etc.
Time Warner Cable is a goddamn joke.
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@plus.pl | Re: This is why TWC is going out of business in NYC hey brittiot ! how about pricing books per amount of letters ? | |
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | yep another FiOS fan boy claiming things that are not true. | |
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va176thunder
join:2001-09-14
Columbus, OH
clubs: | I don't think so Metered broadband consumption - sure, when it becomes a regulated utility "like electricity"
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: I don't think so Also I want a pony.
(As long as we're making demands like spoiled children, I figured I'd join in!) | |
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join:2007-02-19
Fredericksburg, TX
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| Re: I don't think so Sorry, minimum of $20 per month, not $0 per month. Typo. Seems like you've forgotten that some places will sell you a full DSL connection for that price (DSLX comes to mind, 3 Mbit/s). I want broadband as a utility, or maybe just a communications service (too much to ask!?!), MSOs want it as a cash cow that doesn't compete in the least with their TV offerings. If you're on the higher-end Comcast tier, you'll be paying a 20% premium on any iTunes HD rental you get, in bandwidth costs. Naturally, Comcast cable TV has no such cap, but the quality is crap. Catch 22 if I ever see'd one. | |
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| said by va176thunder :Metered broadband consumption - sure, when it becomes a regulated utility "like electricity" BINGO! No way, no how, no MTERED Broadband...EVER! | |
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Duramax08
Oy, Pass It on.
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX
·Juno Express
| CAPS! CAPS! CAPS! DAMN THESE CAPS! Seriously, Why caps? I know alot of people like there internets, But cmon, You can do better. Its like every one is joining the Cap bandwagon.
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA | Re: CAPS! CAPS! CAPS! This is all about stepping backwards. Oh yeah, and corp. greed. | |
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Duramax08
Oy, Pass It on.
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX | Re: CAPS! CAPS! CAPS! That would be crazy if they put a meter like a power company meter outside our houses telling us and them how much we used a month. | |
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we are idiots
@direcpc.com
| Re: CAPS! CAPS! CAPS! we don't have to take this shit if everybody would just cut off our internet you wont hear shit about usage caps
yea its going to be funny as hell when everybody gets tired of their bullshit,and goes back to dialup or no internet altogether i lived my first 28 years of my life without internet wouldn't hurt me to go without it | |
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
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| *Crystal Ball* I can see you FAILING in the near future. Be prepared to have most of your customers leave you for a better ISP.
I think he's been smoking too much of the green, leafy substance laced with crack. | |
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@texastechfcu.org | Yes! I hope they introduce metered viewing for cable TV as well. Then I can just watch my dollars rolling by... | |
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join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH | Re: Yes! I have no problems with paying metered prices for cable like I do for electricity. I'd be just fine paying the 6.7 cents per gigabyte that I pay per kilowatt hour... | |
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Premium
join:2001-02-08
Port Hueneme, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by Killersaurus :
I hope they introduce metered viewing for cable TV as well. Then I can just watch my dollars rolling by...
That's an interesting idea. Lets say you have access to 200 channels@$40/month (makes no difference how many channels, you can only watch one at a time (dvr notwithstanding))... break that down to $1.33/day. Figure in a normal day, you have the potential to watch TV for 16 Hours($.04/Hour), but the reality is probably something like 4 hours/Day ($.33/Hour). Hell, My cable bill would drop to somewhere around $17/Month (I watch TV maybe for 2 Hours, 3 nights a week average)
Even if you charge more per hour for premium channels, and less for local BS channels, it would be great.
I'm sure the math can be refined more, but you get the idea
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY | another certainty? subscription loss to Verizon in NYC!
as sure as you can say $99 triple play, you can say cancel my account and switch. | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
clubs:
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| Re: another certainty? said by tmc8080 :subscription loss to Verizon in NYC! as sure as you can say $99 triple play, you can say cancel my account and switch. And when Verizon starts using caps too? Where will you move to then?
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Re: another certainty? Verizon's not using caps, and hasn't said anything about them (though if asked I'm sure they would say that they wouldn't rule them out)
If one accepts the postulate that caps are inferior to unlimited service, and ignoring all other elements, then a provider that may possibly cap but hasn't said anything definitive is still better than a provider that has outright said it will cap. | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Indie DSL... aka DSL-Extreme
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| Re: another certainty? What i dont understand is, if more customers go to them that also means more money!!!!!!!!!!! WHY OH WHY can't they use that money to get a better network an maintain those customers without restrains??? It is all about greed, more customers more money, but once they see the customers are not happy because they are not providing what they promise, instead of fixing the problem(more bandwidth) they choose the easy part, caps. Oh well.
If it gets to that point to dial-up i will go. They can keep their HSI for all i care. | |
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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September 19th, @08:08PM
| Re: another certainty? said by RaulF :
If it gets to that point to dial-up i will go. They can keep their HSI for all i care.
If you download so much data that you're concerned about metered internet billing, I call BS. You are NOT going back to dialup.
What i dont understand is, if more customers go to them that also means more money!!!!!!!!!!! Today's low broadband pricing relies on "overbooking" capacity with the assumption that people are not using it around the clock. Indie ISPs like DSLExtreme must offer similar pricing to the telco to gain a decent customer base. If DSLExtreme gets flooded with all of Time Warner and AT&T's heavy usage customers, they will have unusually high traffic and bandwidth expenses. They will be forced to institute similar caps, or upgrade their network and raise prices.
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| Re: another certainty? The main reason for my HSI is low ping for playing online game via PC. So yes, i will give up online gaming. And about downloading data i do watch shows online in the FOX NBC and Hulu. But i also have my DVR, which would make that obsolete. | |
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Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T CallVantage
| said by TK Junk Mail :said by tmc8080 :subscription loss to Verizon in NYC! as sure as you can say $99 triple play, you can say cancel my account and switch. And when Verizon starts using caps too? Where will you move to then? I seriously doubt verizon will cap a service that isnt even being utilized fully. Plus on top of it, they own one of the largest NSP backbones in the world. Bandwidth to them is non-existant. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: another certainty? Don't be so sure. at&t's fiber network has substantial capacity, but at&t has talked about introducing a capped system. In their case it's probably more about greed than legitimate "our network is DOOOMED" issues. | |
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| said by TK Junk Mail :said by tmc8080 :subscription loss to Verizon in NYC! as sure as you can say $99 triple play, you can say cancel my account and switch. And when Verizon starts using caps too? Where will you move to then? you imagine a world in which consumer protections (though few they may be after the last 8 years) do not exist. municipal or 3rd party providers would flourish in that environment. just because cable and telco own 98% of the market today does not guarantee that in the future. we decide where we spend our money. it's our money before we decide to give it to them. on the one hand they're free to change the terms of providing service as they see fit. we have the choice to buy or not to buy, and consumers have the bully pulpit of encouraging a boycott of services where companies go out of their way to be greedy and screw the consumer. don't think it works? take a look at sprint! they have a big problem with subscriptions. take a look at plain old telephone service, there are many examples in which the consumer's choice is king, and the companies who fight against the grain do it at their own peril!
a day will come when the oil companies will have their comeuppance as well.. but not for long, long time (unfortunately)-- as the republican party has a stranglehold on that steady stream of oil money and they won't give it up without some pruning of that influence (people party and institutions). fuel does not have to be a revenue stream that props up the economy. if alternatives such as hydrogen were given a chance to flourish, there would be little need for billions of barrels of oil to be imported from the middle east. however, if you were guaranteed a monopoly market and control/manipulation of the progress of technology would you want to give that up?
oil=$98 a barrel
price at the pump per gallon $3.51-$4.59
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join:2007-02-19
Fredericksburg, TX | Heh, my idea of triple play:
$63 - internet
$1.50 - MagicJack
$34.50 - Netflix + iTunes budget
Still $99 but my internet is faster and I'm not limited to my house as far as where I can watch my TV. | |
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jchambers28
join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR | moved thank god I moved away from Kansas city. And the time Warner cable hell hole. With their looming bandwidth caps and all the other BS they are putting their customers threw. | |
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@stancera.org
|  Caps on Service
The answer is improving infrastructure...not capping service. What happens as services such as video rentals become an all "on demand" solution...and in the competitive market, you decide to choose a solution other than your carrier/ISP. Now these video streams could easily consume more than the cap value.
I grow weary of this environment where everyone wants to get into the business of pay as you go services. The software industry is headed that way with everything being a hosted application.
We must hold our ground and let these companies know enough is enough. We're sick of the drain on our wallets.
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Caps on Service said by What_Broadband :
While I subscribe to the fact that most broadband users probably don't anything close to the caps these providers are considering implementing, I still think this this is a slippery slope that we need not head down. Today the caps may be 5 to 40 Gb, tomorrow they might be 2-10Gb. And then I will not bother with internet at all. At best I'd just get the cheapest DSL which is $20 amonth for 768 kbps speed which is fine form e-mail and very basic surfing which is all youc an do with 2-10 GB. So not a very smart way of making money. More and more busines are offering free-wifi so maynbe I would just get a laptop and use their internet if ISPs are going to be complete assholes. | |
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MacFan Pro
Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
·Internet Nebraska
| Ok If they want to move to a metered broadband system then they should let everyone have the fastest speed their cable modem will give them. Why not let them have un-throttled speed if they are going to pay extra for going over a cap?
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meh37
@verizon.net | Well, sure... because it costs them just as much money to "produce" a gigabyte of broadband as it costs the electric companies to produce a gigawatt of electricity.
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| Re: Well, sure... ham operators crybabyied about causing interference plus cost allot for providers, its being shut down in dallas bbl could have been great if given time to make devices to not cause interference,and everybody working together on it instead of all these companies wasting money in their own failed projects bbl could have been the answer for rural broadband but will not happen | |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Hate to say it. Ok at&t looks like you will get my business. | |
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News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Hate to say it. Sorry, they too think metered broadband is "inevitable."
Are we sensing the investor and executive driven meme, yet? | |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Re: Hate to say it. At least it will not be 5gs a month like Tw has it set. | |
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join:2002-12-11
Afton, OK
| said by Karl Bode :Sorry, they too think metered broadband is " inevitable." Are we sensing the investor and executive driven meme, yet? Karl, I say let the Corp bastards implement this. When enough people are negatively affected and paying up the ying yang they will revolt. | |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
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clubs: | One more. what about business class? they metered also? | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Three things A) last time I checked my electric company doesn't cap my useage.
B) My electric company doesn't charge 10X the cost of the product.
C) The more electricity I use, the LESS per kilowatt I pay, not MORE.
Maybe Mr Britt should check his analogies before he uses them for examples. | |
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join:2003-12-02
Chillicothe, OH | cya people will just seek out the providers that offer unlimited usage...and there always will be one....it's a significant competitive advantage | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: cya said by isp :people will just seek out the providers that offer unlimited usage...and there always will be one....it's a significant competitive advantage Or you will see a singifican't increase in people leaching wi-fi from their neighbors too stupid to secure their wireless connections. For less than $50 you can make a cantenna or a wok-fi and find LOTS of unsecured connections. | |
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join:2006-01-30
Belleville, IL | Electricity is a two way street If I generate power (solar) and use less than I generate the power company pays me. So if I upload more than I download does not mean TW is going to pay me? | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: Electricity is a two way street That's not how bandwidth works- analogies can only take you so far. | |
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join:2004-06-10
Austin, TX | Re: Electricity is a two way street Actually that's how it works between the big providers. If I'm generating more outgoing traffic to your network than receiving from you, you pay.
In case of approximately symmetric traffic the peer exchange usually doesn't go the metered route. | |
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maartena
Obama 2008
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| They will lose me as a client.... I don't download THAT much, I average about 100 Gb a month. Most of it is game server related traffic, as I run 5 OpenTTD servers (Open Source Transport Simu game) on one box, and with map-downloading it uses a lot of data, i'd say 30 Gb a month.
I can live with a Comcast-like cap of 250 Gb. But anything less then 100 Gb, and i'll switch my TV to DirectTV (more HD channels anyways) and my ISP to DSLExtreme.
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: They will lose me as a client.... said by maartena :I don't download THAT much, I average about 100 Gb a month. Most of it is game server related traffic, as I run 5 OpenTTD servers (Open Source Transport Simu game) on one box, and with map-downloading it uses a lot of data, i'd say 30 Gb a month. I can live with a Comcast-like cap of 250 Gb. But anything less then 100 Gb, and i'll switch my TV to DirectTV (more HD channels anyways) and my ISP to DSLExtreme. First of all 100 GB is A LOT today. Most people don't use anywhere near that. Second running a game server is 100% against your ISP TOS. You should be using a BUSINESS account for that.
Thirdly do you think that ISPs care if they lose the top 1% of users? Hell no. ISPs love Grandmas paying $50 a month to read e-mail 3 times a week than they do someone using their $50 conenction to stream netflix all day long. | |
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Time Warner Cable CEO: Metered Broadband The Future
Quoted markup % is pure fantasy
TW obviously uses backward thinking or suffers from extreme greed. Broadband service pricing should be regulated just like land line service. Georgy Bush does not believe in regulation, so don't hold you breath for any change in regulation of broadband service pricing.