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I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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Jets 19 - Steelers 16
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Pompton Plains, NJ
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| LMAO "Meanwhile the cable industry continues to treat price-reduction of any kind as some kind of highly contagious disease."
I just fell of my chair after reading that, lol.
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KeepOnRockin
Music Lover Forever
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join:2002-11-08
Beaverton, OR
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·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: LMAO said by Rob A  :"Meanwhile the cable industry continues to treat price-reduction of any kind as some kind of highly contagious disease." I just fell of my chair after reading that, lol. ROFL. The sad part is it's true!  | |
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join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Stand Alone Cable I still can't get over how much a stand-alone cable broadband line costs if you don't want to pile on the services.
$45 through Time Warner, much more through Comcast I think. This bundle-madness irritates me. | |
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Smithtown, NY
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| Re: Stand Alone Cable said by Minister :I still can't get over how much a stand-alone cable broadband line costs if you don't want to pile on the services. $45 through Time Warner, much more through Comcast I think. This bundle-madness irritates me. $59.99 from Time Warner in New York City if you have the "el-cheapo" TV tier. | |
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Fleeting | Re: Stand Alone Cable You're kidding? | |
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Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
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| Re: Stand Alone Cable said by Minister :You're kidding? Would I kid anyone?
That's why I dumped it from my NY apartment.
I now have DSL at 3.0 X 768 and it is much fater than TWC ever was.
59.99 if you have Basic cable, $44.95 if you subscribe to the next tier of TV. The 59.99 is really ridiculous.
Here's a snippet taken directly from their web site:
»www.timewarnercable.com/nyandnj/···ult.html
With Wireless Road Runner you can now enjoy the mobility and flexibility of Road Runner in any room in your home without being connected to a cable modem. We provide installation and support of a wireless modem and up to 5 wireless connections all for the low monthly rate of $4.95* (*Note: This rate is in addition to the regular RR monthly rate of $44.95 for standard customers, or $59.95 for basic-only or non-cable customers). Activation charge is $80.45 for up to 2 wireless connections, and $49.95 for each additional connection, up to 5 connections. Each subsequent visit for additional connections is $80.45 (not to exceed a total of 5 connections). | |
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Riverside, CA | Re: Stand Alone Cable I don't have cable TV. Charter out here offers almost $70/month for just the internet with no TV. | |
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Stand Alone Cable said by Fishie :Charter out here offers almost $70/month for just the internet with no TV. Adelphia standalone @6000/768 = 60$ here in NH. Just dumped it for VZ 3000/768 for 30$. I'll miss the down speed on occassion, but not 30$/mo worth of missing. VZ should be more stable: I can see the CO from my kitchen window. With my glasses off. | |
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as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | new yorkers get gouged on everything there. look at the price of cigarettes. they're like $8.50 a pack or more.
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join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Stand Alone Cable said by dvd536 :new yorkers get gouged on everything there. look at the price of cigarettes. they're like $8.50 a pack or more. OK.. That's offtopic. | |
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MemphisPCGuy
Senior Systems Engineer
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join:2004-05-09
Memphis, TN
·Comcast
| I got a Gmail account .... ...so from here on out every year I will simply play Cable against DSL for the best 'swap' deals.
Paying $119.00 for HDTV Digital Cable/Internets/Digital Phone this year .. next year I'll see what Bellsotuh will do to take me back for a year.
Same game we have all played with Credit Cards is now here for Broadband.... let the games begin!
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: I got a Gmail account .... And as soon as this becomes and obvious trend, don't you think that they will both do as cell providers have? 2 year contracts for a possible 9 month or 12 month reduction. Year two, the obligated additional year, will be full rate?
These deals are for new customers. They do track the price shoppers. All this will do is cause them to go away.
Remember when you could get an actual $80 check for switching long distance? Sheesh, I used to make about $170 a month just constantly cashing long distance checks "just for switching" - Honestly, sometimes I never knew who my carrier was. I got the check, I'd endorse it and deposit it.
Ultimately, the check promos stopped. They realized it was a loss. When one side stops, so will the other.
I personally see the two sides reducing their specials all together or SERIOUSLY cutting them down. | |
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join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA | and how is this different than with our cell phones? We have more stuff available via cell phones now and the prices we have to pay don't seem to be affected by competition. | |
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join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA | Re: It's not a Price war it's a Market Share war. It's a peons war, who get the most win? | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. This "story" also forgets that as prices have dropped more people are trading up to a faster (and more expensive) connection. As more people go from, say, 1500/384 for $18 to 3000/512 for $26 the "average" price goes up, but it's an apples to bananas comparison. A legitimate analysis would compare the same speed tier price now vs. last year or the year before. You won't find a legitimate analysis in these pages though.
Even Sprint, who arguably has the highest prices for DSL, is lowering them.
The bleating about needing a phone line (or cable for that matter) is like complaining that your electricity costs more than you think it should because you need to pay for maintaining the wires to get it you.
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Fleeting
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| Telco Fanboy Much?
The average DSL price data is the TIA's own projected numbers. If they could have spun them like you did to suggest prices were seriously dropping, without being laughed at, they would have. How do you spin the increasing cost of POTS?
As for your disregard of naked DSL, that's a curious argument. I should pay for a landline I don't need because it helps maintain the wires?  | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. I guess since you have nothing legitimate to say you resort to the usual lame "fanboy" crap.
As for your disregard for reality, that's a curious troll. Covad will gladly sell you "naked DSL". It costs more because Covad has to lease the loop, but hey, you'll be "naked".
Where is "Fleeting", anyway? Must suck to live there. Over here in the real world, my DSL + phone line costs less today than it did six years ago, and the speed is eight times faster.
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Fleeting
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March 3rd, @08:26PM
| Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. quote:
you resort to the usual lame "fanboy" crap
No hard feelings, mate. If it quacks like a duck....quote:
Covad will gladly sell you "naked DSL". It costs more because Covad has to lease the loop, but hey, you'll be "naked".
No. I want it from SBC/AT&T. Justify why I can't have DSL with no phone component. Also tell me why POTS prices are rising.quote:
Over here in the real world, my DSL + phone line costs less today than it did six years ago, and the speed is eight times faster.
Very scientific analysis, but the fact DSL has gotten cheaper isn't being debated. Your statement does not discredit the TIA numbers that say on average, consumer DSL prices are moving at best - laterally of late. | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. Still trying to decide what you quack like...
Why should SBCATTVERZONWHATEVER sell you anything just because you "want" it from them? What you want is available, but you evidently are allergic to CLECs. Too bad for you. I guess you get cranky when you can't buy computer parts at Wal*Mart, because you "want" them sold there.
The only analysis that counts is what's happening in the market. The TIA can do whatever it wants with it's numbers, my bill is all that matters to me (and anyone else who isn't just arguing to be see their words on the screen).
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Fleeting
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March 3rd, @08:46PM
| Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. quote:
Why should SBCATTVERZONWHATEVER sell you anything just because you "want" it from them?
You do everything but actually answer my questions. Why can't I get DSL with no phone component from AT&T? Why is the average cost of a POTS line rising?quote:
The only analysis that counts is what's happening in the market.
No doubt, and what's happening in the market, according to TIA numbers, is that the average cost of the price paid for a DSL line is moving laterally. | |
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hitachi369
Embrace Your Rights
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Grand Rapids, MI
clubs:
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| Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. said by Minister : Why can't I get DSL with no phone component from AT&T? Because they don't offer it.
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Fleeting | Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. quote:
Because they don't offer it.
No kidding. Why not? | |
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hitachi369
Embrace Your Rights
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Grand Rapids, MI
clubs:
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| Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. said by Minister : quote:
Because they don't offer it.
No kidding. Why not? Demand? Your guess is as good as mine.
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join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. Unlikely it's demand. Many customers want to go cell or VoIP only. I'd bet it's simply the result of some exec's number crunching session on how best to get maximum revenue from the customer. | |
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hitachi369
Embrace Your Rights
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Grand Rapids, MI
clubs:
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| Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. said by Minister :Unlikely it's demand. Many customers want to go cell or VoIP only. I'd bet it's simply the result of some exec's number crunching session on how best to get maximum revenue from the customer. Many? I don't know high that number is, most of there customers couldn't imagine themselves without a land line.
Being on DSLR or other tech forum kinda blinds you to what the masses want. Ask your mom or dad if they would be happy with only a data plan from SBC, they prolly wouldn't even know what you are talking about.
Not working in the tech field I know about 0% of my coworkers would want something like that, nor any of my immediate family. The only people that would want it are tech savvy people, so either the younger crowd, ie small percentage, or tech people, again a small slice of there user pie.
I wouldn't even want a data only plan, as the >20 dollars I might save would be negated by any voip I would set up or increased usage of my cell phone.
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Fleeting
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March 4th, @11:58AM
| Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. quote:
Not working in the tech field I know about 0% of my coworkers would want something like that, nor any of my immediate family. The only people that would want it are tech savvy people
I disagree. The stats show the landline is (albeit slowly) dying, and customers are slowly moving to cell or VoIP only. Look at the explosive growth of cable VoIP in 2005. Look at projected numbers in 2006. Those folks are not keeping their landline. Millions of them. It's clearly a trend.
I think the number crunchers at the telcos are sucking the revenue from this forced bundling to help inflate dying landline revenue numbers until they can get their own VoIP (and video) operations up and running, effectively offering their own triple play. | |
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hitachi369
Embrace Your Rights
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Grand Rapids, MI
clubs:
·AT&T U-Verse
| Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it. said by Minister : quote:
Not working in the tech field I know about 0% of my coworkers would want something like that, nor any of my immediate family. The only people that would want it are tech savvy people
I disagree. The stats show the landline is (albeit slowly) dying, and customers are slowly moving to cell or VoIP only. I think the number crunchers are sucking the revenue from this forced bundling to help inflate dying landline revenue numbers until they can get their own VoIP operations up and running. I agree that a land line is slowly dieing, however the cost saving only applies to those people who make an ungodly amount of calls.
IDK, I must be the minority not being glued to my phone 24/7. We pay >20 on our land line, less than what we would with VOIP. If I used my cell phone, which service is spotty I would have to get a new plan which in turn would up my cost even more. Lose-Lose for the people who don't make alot of calls.
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by Minister :As for your disregard of naked DSL, that's a curious argument. I should pay for a landline I don't need because it helps maintain the wires? :uhh: I should pay for basic TV because it helps maintain the wires? Comcast will charge me more for the same cable HSI because I have satellite TV, and, thus, no need for cable TV.
Comcast month-to-month, CATV: $42.95 per month
Comcast month-to-month, no CATV: $56.95 per month
As for DSL prices, my month-to-month price for the Express package (1536/384) was $39.95 when I started, going to $49.95 a year later. It stayed at $49.95 per month (though I re-rated for a lower price) until last fall. It is now $19.99 per month (though I am paying $19.95 per month) with the opportunity to upgrade to Pro (3008/512) for a $17.99 per month rate for twelve months, rising to a month-to-month rate of $29.99 per month; just $3.00 per month more than I was paying for the Express DSL package two years ago.
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No, I suppose DSL prices are not now lower than they were either five years ago, when I signed up, or two years ago, when I was paying $13.00 less than my first year on DSL. My bill just keeps on going up, and up, and up...
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Five years ago: $39.95 per month, month-to-month
Four years ago: $49.95 per month, month-to-month[1]
One year ago: $26.95 per month, month-to-month[2]
Now: $19.99 per month, month-to-month
Note[2]: I am paying $19.95 per month on a twelve month contract, with an option to upgrade from Express (1536/384) to Pro (3008/512) for a twelve month contract rate of $17.99 per month, rising to $29.99 per month at the end of the year.
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by djrobx :Bundled service can't be included in the argument because some cable companies (Comcast is the most notorious) charge significantly more or give less speed, practically forcing you to buy basic cable with a cablemodem. Kind of like having to get POTS to get DSL? SBC does not, yet, offer "dry DSL".
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join:2004-02-08
Columbia, SC | Competition It's simple alls we need is some more competition »sanswire.com/ | |
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join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
| Re: Prices aren't going up quote:
Asuming inflation is the same in 2006, then the inflation-adjusted price would be $38.49...slightly lower than the price in 2005.
You're arguing the difference of an increase in pennies to the difference in the decrease in pennies. The fact remains the average price paid by consumers for DSL is not dropping. quote:
And as other's have said, that's also only the average connection price that's going down a bit. Price per kbit/sec is going WAY down.
That is not being passed on to consumers, any which way it's spun. | |
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cdigioia
Premium
join:2005-06-08
korea, repub
·Korea Telecom
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| Re: Prices aren't going up said by Minister : You're arguing the difference of an increase in pennies to the difference in the decrease in pennies. The fact remains the average price paid by consumers for DSL is not dropping. Agreed, as I stated in my subject line "Price aren't going up". There's a big difference between stable and going up.
And Price per kbit/sec IS going way down for consumers. Take one's montly bill, divided by their kbit/sec connection speed. You really think that isn't going down? | |
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J D McDorce
Premium
join:2001-12-29
Westland, MI
| I don't know about averages and such, but I haven't seen an increase in my POTS bill in years and the last change in my POTS + DSL was a $50/month reduction two years ago. I'm actually paying over $50/month less now for POTS + DSL than I was paying for POTS + Dial-up in the late '90's. Maybe it isn't going down, but it isn't going up either. | |
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trendisup
| The trend is up... The trend is up.. speeds will increase, but so will prices. There will not be (unfortunately) $50 100/100megabit internet access widely available in the U.S.A., land of the MPAA and RIAA with millions of internet savy kiddies running around like gremlins poking their head into any media they can get their little hands on..
Just reflects the reality of it all.
Heres the current kicker on competition, telcos are waiting for cablecos to make the next 'big move', until then telcos are content to stand-pat with 30megabits or less. So unless cable goes to 50mb or higher, telcos do nothing.
Keep in mind, the market has to want whatever speed/price are offered for that speed for it to make sense and create a 'war', if you will..
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join:2006-03-01
Spokane, WA | Re: The trend is up... Ahhh just go climb the pole and cut some insulation off and point the ole dish and antenna amp at it while it leaks all over the neighborhood, lol.:p
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aurgathor
join:2002-12-01
Lynnwood, WA
·Verizon west (ex G..
| I just don't see a DSL price increase The first price I remember was $39 for 768 DL from VZ.
Later, that went up to $49, same speed.
Then it dropped to $39, still 768, though UL may have been decreased to 128 (I think it was 256 before)
At that time I got DSL from Covad, for $35, but only 384/128
Then VZ increased speed and lowered prices, so I jumped ship, and now I pay VZ $29 for 1.5/384.
I think last year they increased speed, so people lucky to live close to their COs, can get 3.0/768 for the same amount. (I tried, but I live too far)
I don't know the prices in other areas, or the cable prices, but I see a definite drop here in price and increase in speed. VZ also have that $15 or so low-speed, dialup buster DSL.
Note, actual VZ prices are somewhat higher due to taxes, fees, spare change, etc. | |
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Windows Is Crap
join:2001-09-27
Hoover, AL | Charter Charter still has the same speeds so the same price. | |
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| On FeyeOs Aren't FCC surcharges for POTS over FIOS kind of obsolete?
I'm still wonderning why RBOCS still should 'collect' fees such as:
(local)
FCC Line Charge $6.40
911 Surcharge $ .35
NYS/Local Tax $ .63
Fed Tax $ .22
Fed/USF Charge $ .66
Surcharges(misc)$ .23
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USF Long Dist $1.05
Surcharges(misc)$1.26
FederalTax $1.01
NYS/Localtax $2.90
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Grand toal $14.71 in taxes fees and surcharges. Now you can't generalize my fees b/c I lowered my Vzfreedom plan ($54.95 to $34.95 and these are prorated taxes/fees (some of them based upon the price charges)
Under the old service level (same price as some VOIP plans) the taxes and fees were nearing $19!! I'm sorry but that's insanity when you can buy a complete (taxes included) phone line for that price!
Now some of these taxes/fees/surcharges are cheaper out of NY metro too, (yes we get humped by taxes here bigtime).
A brodband war can not be fought with a 900 pounds worth of piggybank surcharges, taxes and fees in POTS, as part of a bundle. I personally think the fcc line charge should be eliminated when you bundle phone with broadband or tv.
Verizon's 35/35/35 triple play won't cut it when $14 of taxes/surcharges bring the bill to $120 and your only getting 5/2, not 15/2 with OOL. Is it just me? Or doesn't this not sense.. Even if the FIOS broadband is reasonable QOS, price trumps quality when there's that much of a difference, no?
Day-O, Day-OOOOO, Daylight come, and me wan go VOIP. | |
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join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA
·Verizon FIOS
| Crazy It's Crazy Ernie's Circus of Total Bundle Madness. Intro prices without promo's and bundle incentives = what we need. If that means even LOWER costs WITH bundles, then hey, what's taking so long? Another thing that needs to be axed is the customer's federal recovery fee. IF a company wants to do something that incurrs a federal fee, you don't pass it on to the customer unless you can't afford it!!!!!!!!!!! Psh. I pay 20 dollars a month in taxes and fees on my cell phone!! WHat the hell is wrong with these people! Psh. Stuff needs to change, and quickly. Wake up washington!!! | |
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